villus Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Bottom line there is suspect reasons to think this game may have been bought. I will outline the reasons why, none of these are 100% concrete but I think it warrants some investigation. For one match fixing happens a lot, a womens ref is obviously probably more at risk of being bought because its probably not scrutinized as heavily as the mens game and because I'm sure she has a day job and makes minimum amounts from reffing. -there were a ton of calls that were in clear view of the ref that went the wrong way, not one but many. -if you are going to fix a womens game betting patterns would tip it off, but this game should have had more action which would hide match fixing for profit easier. -if you are picking a game you have a big sample size of USA vs Canada in the last few years and the results say USA will win that game a very big % of the time, so bet is safer matter of fact in soccer there are probably no other 2 teams that have played each other more and one side being very dominant -buying the ref is merely insurance that you probably won't need very often, this time it was needed. If there was suspect betting activity authorities somewhere should be able to find it if they can get cooperation by sportsbooks, as more than normal action on one side + suspect reffing or player patterns paints a pretty clear picture. Now my arguments could also be used for fifa or the US federation but those would be much more difficult to prove and less likely to be investigated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathen Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Has anyone mentioned the shirt pulling on the first US equaliser by the American? definitely effected the defenders ability to clear the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bob Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 If we're looking at incentives for match fixing it's interesting that the refereeing was definitely more accurate in extra time, when the result (for gambling purposes) was already a draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Considering what happened to REB in the U-23's this is a pretty funny response to today's refereeing. https://twitter.com/Randoll17/status/232617640953270273 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Hammer Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 very proud of the team. Refing was horible both ways , just more horrible against Canada. if the ref was enforcing the 6 second rule than it should have been enforced both ways. that was clearly ball to hand and not hand on ball. I am going to look at the American sites to see what they say about the game. I don't hold any hostility to the American Players. They are a very good team. We played for the most part better, the first goal against was some poor defending. I think Sinclair may have screend the full back (name escapes me) and the American forward did a very good job of denying teritory. So Ladies hold your head high you won the game in the hearts and minds of a nation. ( well at least mine, my wife and my 12 year lod son and my 10 year old daugter. ps i think my spell check is off. and too lazy to check the old fashion way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 ah man, what a heart breaker. Credit where it's due though, I thought the team learned from some poor earlier results and started playing better as the Olympics went on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sting Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Has anyone mentioned the shirt pulling on the first US equaliser by the American? definitely effected the defenders ability to clear the ball If your going to call that, you would have to call the Canadian girl who earlier in the game pulled the U.S. girls jersey so high, her bra was showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Keeper Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I am absolutely horrified at what I just witnessed. I just saw a Canadian women's team, and Christine Sinclair in particular, do what everyone said they needed to do to beat the americans; play the game of their lives. And so we did, only to have it taken away by a corrupt/biased and/or incompetent person in a manner of seconds. To be able to do the unbelievable and still have it taken away from you by the person who is supposed to represent fair play and equality is the cruelest of all outcomes for our girls. Congratulations fifa, just like concacrap in the men’s gold cup, you ensured the final that you wanted. I cannot even begin to imagine the complacency in the Olympics and fifa and world football in general that allows what we just witnessed to not be questioned officially. I hate conspiracies normally, but in our game as it is currently administered, this one is easy to believe. To take away the chance from our girls just because they are unfashionable compared to the usa women (plus whatever other reasons motivated this travesty) is criminal. My heart goes out to our players, it truly does. On that note, I think we can only applaud the girls and the staff for this performance tonight. You are all class acts and a credit to what real fans, players and administrators at all levels in Canada are trying to do for our sport; compete legitimately on the world stage. Personally, I take many consolations from this game. First, we did not lose it by normal means, nor were we destroyed by the usa. Second, this game not only speaks volumes for how far the girls have come compared to the rest of the world and they done so legitimately. Truly they did it without anything but hard work on and off the field. This is more than can be said about the americans. Third, this really was a break out game for the team and the women’s game in this country despite the "official" result on paper. I have a feeling that the best is still to come for the team. We were defeated not by a good USA team, but by one that had help under the table (please disagree if you like). Forth, and most of all, because of our hard work to get results, the Canadian Women's National Team is building immense credibility, respect, reputation and most of all momentum on and off the pitch, at home and abroad. With the worlds eyes and most of all, Canada's, on this horrid outcome, the footballing world will not be able to get away with doing this to us for too much longer. The future players will remember this night and use it as motivation to push Canada even further up the ladder. In some ways, perhaps we should thank the americans and those behind corrupt results like this, because it will help grow a culture and passion for the game at home, stronger and more gifted players and most of all, a desire to win. So to our valiant ladies I say go and keep doing what you are doing on and off the field. Keep growing in strength and you will be just fine. Inspiring another dozen or so generations of young players to become future national team stars will make Canada even stronger. Let the american ladies and that great pretender sydney la roux play for their gold medal now, for if we keep up like this, soon the usa might not even be the best in concacaf, let alone the world. On that day maybe we can forgive ms. christina pederson of norway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeg51 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 ^+1 -heartily agree. This was a great performance by the WNT. As an aside, I am guessing the odds that Carol Anne Chenard (CAN) and her officiating crew get the GM game are about the distance to Mars to one. Pity, I think that crew is one of the best, if not the best in the tournament. I am sure some fine ref from AFC or (shock horror) UEFA (again) will get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 If we're looking at incentives for match fixing it's interesting that the refereeing was definitely more accurate in extra time, when the result (for gambling purposes) was already a draw. I think those looking for a gambling/mafia angle to the fix are barking up the wrong tree. There is no particular reason for a gambling syndicate to fix this game instead of many others and the difference in money from media, tv, ticket sales, etc. to be made from a US-Japan final compared to Canada-Japan by far dwarfs what a betting syndicate could get away with on this game. This one is solely on one or more of the following mafia organizations: FIFA, IOC, USSF. Plus a betting syndicate always has to balance the chances of getting caught to the possible rewards. For the other organizations it is pretty hard to get caught when they are also the authority in charge of policing. That being said I do not want to focus entirely on the negative. This team played better than we have seen in years and is really on the right track with this coach (and it also shows how poor the previous two coaches were). Lets hope that we continue to improve like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Fifa spent lots of money to research the famous goal line technology. However what is more important than that is to clean up the man/woman in the middle. Some idiot keeps appointing untried and incompetent referees to do crucial games. Maybe somebody can tell me how did this referee today would have passed her assessments with the high score required by Fifa. Something is very wrong and I am disgusted ready to punch someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkingatlamport Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 punishment should fit the crime. You don't give a free kick in the box for a few extra seconds. You are gifting a glorious chance to a team that totally alters the face of the game. Thats why you or anyone else has never seen it, especially considering there was no warning and no history of wasting time with lots of opportunities by Canada in this game. You give a yellow, a warning and you add on a 3 seconds (lol) at the end of the game if you want to punish the goalie. Its like throwing someone in jail for a year for speeding 10km over the limit. Its outrageous. The penalty for a keeper who holds on to a ball too long WHILE IT'S STILL IN PLAY is ALWAYS an indirect free kick. You can argue that it was a bull**** call, which is fine and i'd probably agree with you, but to argue that it should be a yellow card and the keeper should still hold possession of the ball where she committed the foul is being ridiculous. Those aren't the rules. I think some of you are confused with a keeper who fails to restart play, which would indeed be a yellow card and resume in play as usual. That is a call made all the time. I can't remember the last time I saw a keeper called for holding on to the ball too long, but that's because they'll drop the ball to resume play and won't hold on to it while they wait for their players to push forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Phuck off troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red card Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I'm not the biggest fan of Mcleod. And given her performance in this tourney, there isn't much to change my mind. And I am a bit disturbed that apparently she was warned about time wasting in the 2nd half by the linesperson but didn't seem to take it seriously. But that doesn't excuse the ref giving an indirect free kick. Can't say I have seen that call in watching football since 82. It's a yellow card for any other ref. Plus, Mcleod had the ball on the ground for a few seconds out of total 8-9 seconds which most refs don't count as part of the 6 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 punishment should fit the crime. You don't give a free kick in the box for a few extra seconds. You are gifting a glorious chance to a team that totally alters the face of the game. Thats why you or anyone else has never seen it, especially considering there was no warning and no history of wasting time with lots of opportunities by Canada in this game. You give a yellow, a warning and you add on a 3 seconds (lol) at the end of the game if you want to punish the goalie. Its like throwing someone in jail for a year for speeding 10km over the limit. Its outrageous. Well said. This referee was too young, inexperienced and lacked common sense. She should re-read Law 18 and she should be given a failing mark in her assessment. If I may, what I used to do in cases of a keeper controlling the ball more than 6 seconds, I would wait until the ball was next out of play, hold the restart while I would remind the keeper of the 6 second rule. Then play on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillium Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I havce bitched about Sinclair.... today I eat lots of crow, Sinclair played a great game full marks, she stepped up in a critical game and put her stamp on the game.... New York times says .... Christina Pederison awards a curious indirect free kick... time wasting is rarely called . Canada was robbed... the referee deserves to be investigated, a travesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathen Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 The penalty for a keeper who holds on to a ball too long WHILE IT'S STILL IN PLAY is ALWAYS an indirect free kick. You can argue that it was a bull**** call, which is fine and i'd probably agree with you, but to argue that it should be a yellow card and the keeper should still hold possession of the ball where she committed the foul is being ridiculous. Those aren't the rules. I think some of you are confused with a keeper who fails to restart play, which would indeed be a yellow card and resume in play as usual. That is a call made all the time. I can't remember the last time I saw a keeper called for holding on to the ball too long, but that's because they'll drop the ball to resume play and won't hold on to it while they wait for their players to push forward. What about Hope Solo continually carrying the ball out of the penalty area in the act of kicking, technically that should be deliberate handball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thescottc Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 She's obviously a graduate of the Benito Archundia School of Football Refereeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mapleblood Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Oh please. Stop being such a sore loser. Officiating was horrendous for both sides. Canada was lucky on plenty of non calls. Save your taunts for face-to-face interaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 The penalty for a keeper who holds on to a ball too long WHILE IT'S STILL IN PLAY is ALWAYS an indirect free kick. .. What? Where's the body of evidence? I watch a lot of footie. A lot. Four-five hundred games a year for the last six or seven years and never, never in my days can I recall an indirect free kick be awarded for time wasting by a goal keeper. Show me. I just want to see the data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 What? Where's the body of evidence? I watch a lot of footie. A lot. Four-five hundred games a year for the last six or seven years and never, never in my days can I recall an indirect free kick be awarded for time wasting by a goal keeper. Show me. I just want to see the data. +1 When has this happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villus Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I watch and have played lots of soccer, and I have never once seen a free kick awarded for a goalie holding the ball too long, I have yet to find one pundit or person who has said they have witnessed this before, its a joke of a call anyone arguing the contrary is being obtuse. Ref's can come back and give a player a yellow card after allowing play to continue, she 100% could do the same in that instance if she felt it was warranted. Awarding a free kick from that spot is about as close to cheating by a ref that I have ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 What? Where's the body of evidence? I watch a lot of footie. A lot. Four-five hundred games a year for the last six or seven years and never, never in my days can I recall an indirect free kick be awarded for time wasting by a goal keeper. Show me. I just want to see the data. He's right and I don't have the time to find a source. A keeper who's wasting time for a restart (Free Kick or a goal kick) will be shown a YC. A keeper failing to release the ball from his hands after 6 seconds will be called for a foul and an indirect free kick will be awarded to the opposing team. That being said, it's a call you almost never see because the penalty (indirect free kick) is very harsh. It's like calling a hand ball everytime a keeper kicks the ball a couple of centimeters out of his box. Usually refs will give a severe warning and the keeper will comply. Horrible call IMO, specially at that time in the game. It was gotcha reffing at his best.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcoatsforever Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Tough luck for Canada. They had a good tournament. It's too bad they ran out of gas after 90 mins and couldn't keep playing soccer in extra time. That is not at all what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I watch and have played lots of soccer, and I have never once seen a free kick awarded for a goalie holding the ball too long, I have yet to find one pundit or person who has said they have witnessed this before, its a joke of a call anyone arguing the contrary is being obtuse. Ref's can come back and give a player a yellow card after allowing play to continue, she 100% could do the same in that instance if she felt it was warranted. Awarding a free kick from that spot is about as close to cheating by a ref that I have ever seen. Comon man, 6 seconds rule has been in place for quite some time now: http://www.askasoccerreferee.com/?p=754 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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