Vic Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Canada v. USA Manchester, England Old Trafford Monday, August 6th 7:00pm local time 2:00pm EST, 11:00am Pacific No doubt it will be picked up by major Canadian and American networks. The Americans are fresh off a 2-0 victory over New Zealand where the Ferns were credited with two shots on goal but they never threatened the net and Solo barely touched the ball and certainly never broke a sweat. A victory that was not a great day at the office for the Americans to write home about but good enough to get by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sincforpm Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Canada v. USA Manchester, England Old Trafford Monday, August 6th 7:00pm local time 2:00pm EST, 11:00am Pacific No doubt it will be picked up by major Canadian and American networks. The Americans are fresh off a 2-0 victory over New Zealand where the Ferns were credited with two shots on goal but they never threatened the net and Solo barely touched the ball and certainly never broke a sweat. A victory that was not a great day at the office for the Americans to write home about but good enough to get by. First and foremost, congrats to the ladies for job well done. However, up till now, we have not won against a team that has ranked above us. From now on it will be a tough road ahead. In our last friendly against the Americans, Coach Herdman had our team played a very defensive game in the 1st half. Not sure if that is the right strategy. Will the same formation from the last two games work? Jonelle has scored a spectacular goal but she seemed to be bounced around by defenders. She does not appear to be physically strong. Not sure if putting her as the lone striker against the Americans will work. I thought Tancredi did not have a good game. There were times that Sinclair had set her up and her touches were suspect. Tancredi has got the size and the abilities to be a great striker but her inconsistency frustrates me. Though Mcleod has a much steadier performance, she still gives me heart attacks at times. Not trying to be a downer but it will be a victory if we can hold the Americans to a draw and then let PK decide the outcome. Then it will be anyone's game. Just my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan68 Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 The US must be happy the way the tournament knock-out games have played out. They might be looking forward to a "redemption" match against Japan. They might be taking the Canada game too lightly (based on past results). That might be our chance, but I am afraid we are over matched but hope our players don't feel that way. Win or lose they have had a great tournament and have a firm foundation to build on for the 2015 WC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 It's funny that this last 4 is the exact same last 4 as last year's WWC except with us instead of Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtlfan Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Geez Vic why have a picture of the traitor in this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Geez Vic why have a picture of the traitor in this thread? Vic is in love with Sydney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 Because she scored their last goal in the tournament. The Americans pressed the Ferns most of the match and she came in towards the end and blew past her marker and powered her off the ball and face first down into the bermuda grass. Pretty fortunate goal, she accidentally megged the keeper from about 12 paces, but hey a goals a goal and they all count the same. Alex Morgan punished the keeper a little better though,.. Good point Sam. No comment on Japan's tactic to not win, but you have to feel a bit for the Swedes who went undefeated in our group and are going home because they played to win in every game. Don't remember who it was but someone said the U.S. gets frustrated and that's not what happened against NZ. They were only up 1-0 but still patient on the buildup til late when Leroux iced it. Sundhage erred in not bringing in fresh legs until long past when they would have been effective. Because the Americans were attacking the Ferns in waves, their strikers were in the bag soon after the hour. Where the Americans are dangerous isn't in 14 where Scott cleans out from. That's where Cheney and/or Lloyd/Boxx or whoever else gets the start setup camp. Cheney's off form and Lloyd's strike is powerful but random. The U.S. danger is twofold. First and formost it's Morgan who defines the phrase tormenter. There are a lot of players with speed and power but I can't think of any with the poise and self-control she has at pace. She is Mia Hamm v2 and she is a nightmare. The other threat is Wambach. I thought she'd faded into Roger Milla=land, but watching the U.S. quarter on replay you see that she's a huge part of their attack. The target that holds up play and/or turns and goes to net or distributes if the time and temperature are right. She likes to come high to the arc to receive and distributes pretty well from it. Her well-known air game is head and shoulders above the rest of the planet and giving up corners with her on the field is suicidal. She also spins back on defensive corners meaning navigating Solo and Wambach in the air are a tough go. The real surprise in her quarter though was her work rate. She has pretty remarkable defensive pressure in the attacking third for someone 170-175. It's kind of ironic because the Americans have so much athleticism, technical skill and talent, but their most dangerous weapons are Morgan on the quick counter and Wambach on dead balls. Across the middle and wide in the back the Americans have more than enough talent to dominate you and get the ball deep into your third pretty consistently. Players like Cheney, Rapinoe, O'Hara, LePeilbet, Lloyd, O'Reilly, etc. Rampone is as wily as they get, and Buehler is a beast and strong in the air, but they're both very beatable. The entire team is 18 very capable quality skilled players, but Japan and France are stocked up pretty well too. Each of our three competing semi-finalists will have their 2-3 players-du-jour who sparkle on any given Sunday, but what makes the Americans #1 is Morgan, Wambach and Solo. Delie is dangerous, Thomis athletic and unpredictable, and Ohno is pretty coy. But they aren't anywhere near the American duo, and their keepers aren't even half as talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sincforpm Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Because she scored their last goal in the tournament. The Americans pressed the Ferns most of the match and she came in towards the end and blew past her marker and powered her off the ball and face first down into the bermuda grass. Pretty fortunate goal, she accidentally megged the keeper from about 12 paces, but hey a goals a goal and they all count the same. Alex Morgan punished the keeper a little better though,.. Good point Sam. No comment on Japan's tactic to not win, but you have to feel a bit for the Swedes who went undefeated in our group and are going home because they played to win in every game. Don't remember who it was but someone said the U.S. gets frustrated and that's not what happened against NZ. They were only up 1-0 but still patient on the buildup til late when Leroux iced it. Sundhage erred in not bringing in fresh legs until long past when they would have been effective. Because the Americans were attacking the Ferns in waves, their strikers were in the bag soon after the hour. Where the Americans are dangerous isn't in 14 where Scott cleans out from. That's where Cheney and/or Lloyd/Boxx or whoever else gets the start setup camp. Cheney's off form and Lloyd's strike is powerful but random. The U.S. danger is twofold. First and formost it's Morgan who defines the phrase tormenter. There are a lot of players with speed and power but I can't think of any with the poise and self-control she has at pace. She is Mia Hamm v2 and she is a nightmare. The other threat is Wambach. I thought she'd faded into Roger Milla=land, but watching the U.S. quarter on replay you see that she's a huge part of their attack. The target that holds up play and/or turns and goes to net or distributes if the time and temperature are right. She likes to come high to the arc to receive and distributes pretty well from it. Her well-known air game is head and shoulders above the rest of the planet and giving up corners with her on the field is suicidal. She also spins back on defensive corners meaning navigating Solo and Wambach in the air are a tough go. The real surprise in her quarter though was her work rate. She has pretty remarkable defensive pressure in the attacking third for someone 170-175. It's kind of ironic because the Americans have so much athleticism, technical skill and talent, but their most dangerous weapons are Morgan on the quick counter and Wambach on dead balls. Across the middle and wide in the back the Americans have more than enough talent to dominate you and get the ball deep into your third pretty consistently. Players like Cheney, Rapinoe, O'Hara, LePeilbet, Lloyd, O'Reilly, etc. Rampone is as wily as they get, and Buehler is a beast and strong in the air, but they're both very beatable. The entire team is 18 very capable quality skilled players, but Japan and France are stocked up pretty well too. Each of our three competing semi-finalists will have their 2-3 players-du-jour who sparkle on any given Sunday, but what makes the Americans #1 is Morgan, Wambach and Solo. Delie is dangerous, Thomis athletic and unpredictable, and Ohno is pretty coy. But they aren't anywhere near the American duo, and their keepers aren't even half as talented. I am not sure if this is the right place to post this but I do not know how to start a new post. My sincerest apologies if this is indeed the wrong place for it. At any rate, Coach Herdman had accused the US team of illegal tactics today. At this stage of the game, is this a necessary ploy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted August 6, 2012 Author Share Posted August 6, 2012 Go here and click "Post New Thread" http://www.cansoc.org/forumdisplay.php?34-Women-s-National-Teams-Players-Leagues-amp-Clubs Herdman is just making sure the referees are aware of something they discovered. It works two ways, they'll be looking closely at our movement at the other end too, but I doubt very much we doing anything similar. The Americans are far superior. It's a wing and a prayer on tactics and will. Play out of your heads, keep calm in the hellstorm and bleed red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Where the Americans are dangerous isn't in 14 where Scott cleans out from. That's where Cheney and/or Lloyd/Boxx or whoever else gets the start setup camp. Cheney's off form and Lloyd's strike is powerful but random. The U.S. danger is twofold. First and formost it's Morgan who defines the phrase tormenter. There are a lot of players with speed and power but I can't think of any with the poise and self-control she has at pace. She is Mia Hamm v2 and she is a nightmare. The other threat is Wambach. I thought she'd faded into Roger Milla=land, but watching the U.S. quarter on replay you see that she's a huge part of their attack. The target that holds up play and/or turns and goes to net or distributes if the time and temperature are right. She likes to come high to the arc to receive and distributes pretty well from it. Her well-known air game is head and shoulders above the rest of the planet and giving up corners with her on the field is suicidal. She also spins back on defensive corners meaning navigating Solo and Wambach in the air are a tough go. The real surprise in her quarter though was her work rate. She has pretty remarkable defensive pressure in the attacking third for someone 170-175. It's kind of ironic because the Americans have so much athleticism, technical skill and talent, but their most dangerous weapons are Morgan on the quick counter and Wambach on dead balls. Across the middle and wide in the back the Americans have more than enough talent to dominate you and get the ball deep into your third pretty consistently. Players like Cheney, Rapinoe, O'Hara, LePeilbet, Lloyd, O'Reilly, etc. Rampone is as wily as they get, and Buehler is a beast and strong in the air, but they're both very beatable. The entire team is 18 very capable quality skilled players, but Japan and France are stocked up pretty well too. Each of our three competing semi-finalists will have their 2-3 players-du-jour who sparkle on any given Sunday, but what makes the Americans #1 is Morgan, Wambach and Solo. Delie is dangerous, Thomis athletic and unpredictable, and Ohno is pretty coy. But they aren't anywhere near the American duo, and their keepers aren't even half as talented. +1 on this great dossier/scouting report, Vic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted August 6, 2012 Author Share Posted August 6, 2012 Thanks, it oversimplifies Japan's soft skills but c'est la vie... I'm watching the Prefontaine movie and there's a great quote. "Faster, higher, stronger has been the motto of the games for 2500 years. But it doesn't say faster, higher, stronger than your competitors. It just say's faster, higher, stronger." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Vic, how do you feel about our match ups at fullback vs their flank pace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted August 6, 2012 Author Share Posted August 6, 2012 Good question. It depends who's out there. They've been mixing it up. If it's Rapinoe or Heath again they're certainly not slow but they're more technical than athletic players. Heath is dangerous off the dribble so you have to be patient and wait her out. Rapinoe has great spatial awareness and vision, so you have to get on her to take away her service. O'Reilly is a slasher and likes to hit the inside gaps with speed to go to net so again playing her tight to take it away. She also likes round you wide and bolt to the baseline for service. The US supporters are keying on Nault and saying she'll be obliterated, but their memory is short-lived and they don't have any idea what she's capable of. Both Wilkinson and Nault if they're dialed in can do their part. I imagine we'll play 4-4 tight in the back so who plays our left side in front of her and their ability to help out shallow will weigh in. Same for the other side and conversely as well. They're both going to need to support our centrebacks. If Wambach drifts she's not the type to 1v1 you or beat you with speed. When Morgan gets served wide though she certainly does and you need to be 100% in the moment to contain her until then cavalry comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillium Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I have to believe that winning this one is going to go down to the coach having a plan, transmitting it to the players and having them show the intelligence to commit fully to the plan. No long ball whacking it out of fear, no one person shows, solid communication, trust in your playing partners, mental toughness. I do not think a 4-4-2 line up will hold the United States, nor can we line up ten behind the ball thats just going to make it a shooting gallery. Herdman has to go into this with the players prepared to alter tactics to make the U.S. have to think and change tactics to succeed as we change our defensive formation or attacking formation, this game to be won had to have been prepared for over the past eight months, tactically prepared, testing the US when we played them finding what works then pulling back till its meaningfull and can be used to win a critical game. The players need to have been taught what works, the tendancys the full book on the US and who they might meet one on one and in the various combinations. This is a game a coach wins. Its a game the players execute, lets hope if we fail tomorrow, Herdman will identify what failed and adjust for next time, be it player replacements or tactical changes. He has three years to find players ...to execute as we prepare for 2015 and the goal in the program has to be ruthless to win the World Cup at home. Its not time to have tourists anymore in this program, at any level ...coach, trainer, manager, player. Lets hope Herdman spends September to November scouting in the universitys .... finding the next generation of young Turks to take over the mantle and to become winners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtlfan Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Oddsmakers are offering USA 1.40 X 4.33 CAN 8.50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan68 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Don't know if it was a good idea to do so but Herdman has said that U.S. players commonly use"illegal tactics" and are "very good at it" in an article in USA Today. Does anyone know what he means? Was this a old idea? He describes the play as a "pick play" and says that Abby's goal against France in the WC is an example. Is he just setting up the refs to watch for this? Also on CBS sports line http://www.cbssports.com/olympics/story/19732618/canada-us-womens-soccer-team-uses-illegal-tactics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Flash. We interrupt this American love-in thread to bring you some Canadian content... This group came close a month ago, will the next group get over the hump. Feel free to not edit with the Reply with Quote option so we can see this image 20 times like we did the American images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Feel free to not edit with the Reply with Quote option so we can see this image 20 times like we did the American images. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted August 6, 2012 Author Share Posted August 6, 2012 I can't find any good camera angles because Youtube has shut down all coverage, but if you have an American IP the NBC site has the highlights. You'll need the full image size and not a shrunken-to-fit one. Open the image in a new tab and click on it to make it full-size. Frame 1: blurry because it's fading in from the previous France goal. You can see Renard covering Wambach and LePeilbet moving in a position that makes no sense to run in on a corner towards Renard. Frame 2: Now you can see LePeilbet making contact with Renard. Delie is clear of LePeilbet and has no contact with her. Frame 3: LePeilbet is now down and Wambach is three steps ahead of Renard. Frame 4: Wambach is now four steps ahead and continues to head home. Immediately following the goal both Renard and Delie lift their hands toward the referee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Vic is in love with Sydney.Canadian poster boy Brett Lawrie sure isn't...anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianfoot Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 CANADA - usa http://atdhe.tw/watch.php?id=369723 http://atdhe.tw/watch.php?id=369632 http://atdhenet.tv/48999/watch-canada-vs-united-states Japan - France http://atdhe.tw/watch.php?id=367846 http://atdhe.tw/watch.php?id=369653 http://atdhe.tw/watch.php?id=369948 http://atdhe.tw/watch.php?id=369963 http://atdhe.tw/watch.php?id=369966 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Japan - FranceNote to French keeper, keep your eye on the ball. Brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianfoot Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 This might well be the game of a life time for some of the players, and for Canadian Women's soccer as well. A breaking point one might say. I can see that beating the americans will have a huge moral boost for the players and maybe even some of the coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianfoot Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 For those In Canada but not in front of TV: http://www.ctvolympics.ca/videos/channel/tsn/watch/tsn-olympic-morning-august-6th-28135.html For those Outside Canada: http://atdhe.tw/watch.php?id=370122 http://atdhe.tw/watch.php?id=370123 http://atdhe.tw/watch.php?id=370124 http://atdhe.tw/watch.php?id=370189 For those at Old Traffford SCREAM YOUR LUNGS OUT for CANADA!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kj52 Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I'm always shocked at the start of almost every game I've watched at the athleticism and strength of the Americans compared to everyone else. Having said that, our girls have been doing a good job of keeping them away from goal so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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