Greatest Cockney Rip Off Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Hate it or love it. Believe it or not but Hoillet would still be a great addition to the CMNT. I am guessing you don't watch him play. He has absolutely no fight in him. If he played for Canada, it would not improve us a single bit. Edited September 4, 2015 by Greatest Cockney Rip Off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 His Dad's beef is with the OSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Knight Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I am guessing you don't watch him play. He has absolutely no fight in him. If he played for Canada, it would not improve us a single bit. Fair enough to say he doesn't have that bite to his game/no passion; his performances since he left Blackburn and career trajectory have warranted that. I disagree though that he wouldn't help us a single bit. Say what you want about his desire but we've trotted out Ricketts on the flank for almost every important game of the Floro era. Do we really believe Hoilett, even given his current form would not be an upgrade over Ricketts? Would he not be a better depth option off the bench when we need to score than some of our current options? I think he would and as a result would improve our team. Now you could argue that the effect he could have on the team isn't worth trading for the years of fence-sitting and neglect of his country and I would understand and agree with that argument which is a separate argument but he would help us in some ways IMO. Curious also to know general consensus if Hoilett made himself available do people believe that the CSA would welcome him with open arms/would he be called up immediately by Floro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatest Cockney Rip Off Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 ^^^ We need players who can go to Hunduras and fight for 90 minutes. Players who can't / won't do that will not improve us. Hoilett has shown with QPR he is not up to adversity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamR Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 If he finally decides he wants to play for Canada then he should be cap-tied at the first possible opportunity then after that take whatever approach decided as appropriate. Just make sure he can't go elsewhere whether it be for strategic reasons or pay-back (or a combination of both). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I am guessing you don't watch him play. He has absolutely no fight in him. If he played for Canada, it would not improve us a single bit. I agree that his career and his potential have really dipped. But if he is willing to come into a camp, I don't see why we wouldn't look at him. Floro has called in guys from League One Ontario or the USL to take a look at them. Bringing them into a camp does not automatically mean he's in the starting 11 or even as a sub. Hoilett would no longer coming in from a position where he has leverage. If he impresses in camp - shows he has skills that help the team and integrates well with the existing players, maybe he becomes part of the setup. If not, at least we will have our curiosity satisfied. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squizz1402635577 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 yup. squizz has said it on twitter Yeah, on the last conference call Floro made some remark about potential playing an official match in October. I followed up and apparently the CSA is of the impression that CONCACAF might come calling for us to play some kind of play-off for a spot in the Copa America Centenario. It makes absolutely no sense, and no one knows what the details would be (i.e. who we would play, why such a play-off would be happening to begin with) but it's a possibility for which we're apparently prepared. But if that doesn't come to pass, Floro is still planning to play a friendly next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Knight Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 ^^^ We need players who can go to Hunduras and fight for 90 minutes. Players who can't / won't do that will not improve us. Hoilett has shown with QPR he is not up to adversity. You're absolutely right we do need players that will go to Central America and fight for 90 minutes. How many of those type of players do we have available to us? Our current squad is made of 7 players who were in the squad for our country's most important game in 20 years one in which we lost 8-1 in Central America, 5 of those players played. Of those 7 players, 6 have played significant roles under Floro with Johnson being the only exception. Of the newer crop of players how many have really convinced us they will not only answer the call but be ready and willing to fight in Central America with the ability to secure positive results? I don't want to bash our players but being pragmatic given what I've seen from the past and what I've seen in the Floro era particularly the gold cup I'm going to say not many. By no means am I defending hoilett or trying to bash our players but if we're baseing it on who will fight history has proven we haven't had the squads in recent times with enough fight. With all that I think it be naive based on player ability to suggest he wouldn't help improve our squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Knight Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 If he finally decides he wants to play for Canada then he should be cap-tied at the first possible opportunity then after that take whatever approach decided as appropriate. Just make sure he can't go elsewhere whether it be for strategic reasons or pay-back (or a combination of both). I agree that his career and his potential have really dipped. But if he is willing to come into a camp, I don't see why we wouldn't look at him. Floro has called in guys from League One Ontario or the USL to take a look at them. Bringing them into a camp does not automatically mean he's in the starting 11 or even as a sub. Hoilett would no longer coming in from a position where he has leverage. If he impresses in camp - shows he has skills that help the team and integrates well with the existing players, maybe he becomes part of the setup. If not, at least we will have our curiosity satisfied. Jason Fair points by both. Thanks for the insight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pint Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Yeah, on the last conference call Floro made some remark about potential playing an official match in October. I followed up and apparently the CSA is of the impression that CONCACAF might come calling for us to play some kind of play-off for a spot in the Copa America Centenario. It makes absolutely no sense, and no one knows what the details would be (i.e. who we would play, why such a play-off would be happening to begin with) but it's a possibility for which we're apparently prepared. But if that doesn't come to pass, Floro is still planning to play a friendly next month. Any chance it has to due with the US losing the hosting rights? My head went straight to us potentially hosting or cohosting the event to get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcalibre Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Any chance it has to due with the US losing the hosting rights? My head went straight to us potentially hosting or cohosting the event to get in. Panama weren't kicked based on their behaviour at the GC were they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squizz1402635577 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Any chance it has to due with the US losing the hosting rights? My head went straight to us potentially hosting or cohosting the event to get in. That's a good question. Like I said, everything appears to be pretty up-in-the-air... all I know for sure is that the CSA, at this point, believes there's a possibility that CONCACAF may tell them that we have a play-off game in October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squizz1402635577 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Panama weren't kicked based on their behaviour at the GC were they? Hmmmm..... I was told that this theoretical play-off wouldn't entail taking a spot away from any team that is already qualified or attempting to qualify. But even if Panama was booted from its play-off game due to its behaviour, El Salvador would be in line to take its spot, rather than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 People can crap on Ricketts all they want, but the fact is he's meant a hell of a lot more to this team than Hoilett EVER will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 You guys are nuts if you think Hoilett wouldn't help our squad. No matter how bad things have gotten at QPR, you don't think he could show up 20 minutes before our first game in the next round of WCQ and outplay Ricketts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) You guys are nuts if you think Hoilett wouldn't help our squad. No matter how bad things have gotten at QPR, you don't think he could show up 20 minutes before our first game in the next round of WCQ and outplay Ricketts? If his head is in the right place yes. No doubting both Hoiletts ability and potential, he is obviously far from showing and reaching it though or he would be featuring for QPR. The fact it doesn't seem he is willing to take a significant pay cut and play football in preference of rotting in the reserves speaks volumes to his current character and commitment to football. I don't see him deciding to play for Canada anytime soon but if he did I would be cautious about what attitude he brings with him to the squad and how genuine his commitment and drive is. *Also I would absolutely welcome Hoilett to the squad if he is in the right place mentally, I think especially right now the Canadian team can help rehabilitate him as much as he can help his country. I am sure he would be welcomed into the squad and made to feel wanted unlike his current environment. I am all for second chances. Edited September 5, 2015 by toontownman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moldy9 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) With the score line at 3-0 for Nicaragua in Kingston in the first game keeps up Hoilett won't need to make much of a choice this WCQ round. Jamaica are gonna have to make a comeback or come up with some away goals in Managua on Tuesday! Edited September 5, 2015 by BlackOps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Not sure three more games with Canada is much of an incentive either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moldy9 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) LOL touché Edited September 5, 2015 by BlackOps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFC07 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 At this point, does it really matter if Hoilett wants to play for Canada? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 "On paper" Hoilett is still one of the best Canadian players in the world. He made 23 Premier League appearances last year. That's a decent amount of time at the highest level. What other Canadian players can match that? Hutch obviously, but other than that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 ^^^that doesn't mean anything.... He's 25 now, and he's in a career trajectory. /sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThiKu Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 People can crap on Ricketts all they want, but the fact is he's meant a hell of a lot more to this team than Hoilett EVER will. YUP!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1996 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) Like seriously what is he waiting for now make up your mind buddy time is ticking away, and whatever beef his dad had with the OSA and CSA what can you do who hasn't had a beef with these two inept organization all most every player has who has ever played the game in the province and country, but it is what it is suck it up and put on the jersey you are playing for the country not the organizations and for the diehard soccer fans who live and breath for the national team. Edited September 5, 2015 by 1996 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Of course, there is the possibility that he has no interest in playing international footy. He could have easily chosen to play for Jamaica by now, especially in their last appearance in the hex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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