matty Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, CanadianSoccerFan said: It's assumed this will take place annually and you're making that assumption with the 10 game limit. We don't know that. It could be a 2 or 3 year league. No I'm assuming they're following the uefa model of a fall to spring to event. This could be biyearly like uefa is doing. A 2-3 year long event is almost unheard of in soccer. Edited February 19, 2018 by matty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSoccerFan Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, matty said: No I'm assuming they're following the uefa model of a fall to spring to event. This could be biyearly like uefa is doing. A 2-3 year long event is almost unheard of in soccer. Depends how you define an event. The CONMEBOL qualifiers are essentially a league competition played over 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, CanadianSoccerFan said: Depends how you define an event. The CONMEBOL qualifiers are essentially a league competition played over 3 years. That's the reason I said almost, those are like the only thing I can think of and they're played over 2 years not 3. Because of the regular mentioning of UEFA's league from both CONCACAF and varous FA's it seems unlikely they're following the CONMEBOL model of having a 2 year long competition especially as the Gold Cup is still likely to be every 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I haven’t read all the reports, but I’ve read this whole thread. I would be shocked if there are teams that don’t have a shot at qualifying for the World Cup based on the new system. My guess is that there is a misinterpretation and that it’s either used for seeding, or if the games act as qualifiers at all it’s probably more likely in terms of narrowing the field a bit. Perhaps only the group winners of the third tier move on to WCQ proper with tier 2 and 1. So you don’t knock out the Nicaragua’s (tier 2ish) of the world, but rather the British Virgin Islands (tier 3) of the world after they fail to win their group, not before they play any games. Zem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zem Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 51 minutes ago, Kent said: I haven’t read all the reports, but I’ve read this whole thread. I would be shocked if there are teams that don’t have a shot at qualifying for the World Cup based on the new system. My guess is that there is a misinterpretation and that it’s either used for seeding, or if the games act as qualifiers at all it’s probably more likely in terms of narrowing the field a bit. Perhaps only the group winners of the third tier move on to WCQ proper with tier 2 and 1. So you don’t knock out the Nicaragua’s (tier 2ish) of the world, but rather the British Virgin Islands (tier 3) of the world after they fail to win their group, not before they play any games. WC qualifying processes are required to give every FIFA member nation a shot at qualifying, so I believe you're right. I think the outlet linked above may have confused League of Nations being used as for seeding WCQs for it replacing them. Also, if LoN is replacing both qualifying processes it kind of defeats the purpose of "replacing friendlies" if LoN is the only competitive event other than the Gold Cup and World Cup in CONCACAF. Not to mention that Montagliani has previously talked about modernizing CONCACAF's WCQs to be more like UEFA and CAF, not replacing them with LoN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, dsqpr said: Three groups of 4 at Tier I would make it awkward to crown a champion. I think 4 groups of 3 is more likely than 3 groups of 4. I feel like four groups presents the clearest path but three presents the most soccer played. It's hard to say if this is about champions or about getting everyone playing regularly as they've kind of presented it as both. Fully agree on point B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, dsqpr said: Not necessarily. It depends on what happens once the group stage is complete. The 4 group winners could be paired up and play home and away for two more matches plus the championship match would be one more. Ditto for 2nd place teams (positional play downs) and 3rd place teams (relegation play downs). That would amount to 7 matches per team. With groups of 4 there might not be any positional play downs as they would be complicated by having 3 teams at each position. In which case it would be 6 matches for teams finishing 2nd or 3rd, but more matches for 1st and 4th. I was expecting the 7 matches you're saying (actually was thinking 8 total) but 3 groups offers like 10 if done traditionally with the home-away format. The play-off point is no more a lock with groups of 3 for teams finishing 2nd. What I actually thought the of 3 of for leading to 4 of 3 for stage two (1 of the first places, 1 of 2nds and 2 of 3rd and 4ths to decide ranking, champions and relegation) giving everyone at the top tier 10 games. Stage One 3 groups Stage Two Champions Group - Playing for title and preferred spot in Gold Cup draw/Wold Cup slot Ranking Group - Playing for preferred spot in Gold Cup Relegation Groups - Top teams auto qualify for Gold Cup, runner-ups play relegation play-off but Gold Cup qualify, 3rds goes down automatic and needs to play Gold Cup qualifiers .....or they do it current Gold Cup style Edited February 20, 2018 by matty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 4 hours ago, dsqpr said: Interesting thoughts. I don't think they will have two group stages though. If they are going to use 10 match days they may as well make it 11 and have two groups of 6 with the two group winners playing off for all the marbles. It certainly feels good that regardless of format, more competitive matches are coming our way! I agree two is unlikely but it would be something. Groups of 6 would be cool if they planned it right and I actually think we'll see it in the prelim tourney they want to do (5 of 6, 1 of 5) to decide who goes where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 CONCACAF have registered a logo and a "League of Nations" text at the US Trademark office Go here: http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=tess&state=4807:ta4p5g.1.1 Click Basic Word Mark Search Type in CONCACAF. and select owner. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 It was hard, but I tried to count those things in the logo and as I expected, looks like there are 41 to match the number of nations in CONCACAF. Red and White 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffian Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 On 28/02/2018 at 10:12 PM, Kent said: It was hard, but I tried to count those things in the logo and as I expected, looks like there are 41 to match the number of nations in CONCACAF. I was just waiting for the image to load. dyslexic nam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xabuep2 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Concacaf with a new ranking system for the region, to be used in all its competitions. http://mobile.concacaf.com/article/concacaf-launches-new-ranking-index?utm_content=sf183435770&utm_medium=spredfast&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=CONCACAF&sf183435770=1 Zem, Lofty, johnyb and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zem Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, xabuep2 said: Concacaf with a new ranking system for the region, to be used in all its competitions. http://mobile.concacaf.com/article/concacaf-launches-new-ranking-index?utm_content=sf183435770&utm_medium=spredfast&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=CONCACAF&sf183435770=1 So apparently the draw for League of Nations qualifying will take place on March 7th and will involve 34 teams. CNMNTPERUELIGIBLE, xabuep2 and johnyb 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenFisk'sBiggestFan Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) Love it! Looks very similar to the ELO system. The rankings look much more accurate than FIFA rankings. I am not just saying that because of where they placed Canada. In fact, if anything, the new rankings may have placed Canada too high... We finally get to see who we play in the qualifying competitions on March 7! I have got to say, it feels weird to know a CMNT opponent so far in advance... And soon we get to know an entire “league” competition. This is great for Canada. Canada being placed 7th should give us a favourable draw for the Nations League Qualifier... Hopefully that will give the national team a couple games to get to know Herdman before they play some tough oposition. Edited March 2, 2018 by BenFisk'sBiggestFan Lofty and CNMNTPERUELIGIBLE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 CONCACAF Ranking as of March 1st, 2018 1 Mexico MEX 2,047 2 United States USA 1,853 3 Costa Rica CRC 1,845 4 Panama PAN 1,700 5 Honduras HON 1,669 6 Jamaica JAM 1,516 7 Canada CAN 1,448 8 Guatemala GUA 1,417 9 Haiti HAI 1,348 10 El Salvador SLV 1,347 11 Trinidad & Tobago TRI 12 Martinique MTQ 13 Cuba CUB 14 French Guiana GUF 15 Guadeloupe GLP 16 Nicaragua NCA 17 St. Kitts & Nevis SKN 18 Curaçao CUW 19 Suriname SUR 20 Antigua and Barbuda ATG 21 Dominican Republic DOM 22 Bermuda BER 23 Guyana GUY 24 Belize BLZ 25 Bonaire BOE 26 Grenada GRN 27 St. Vincent & the Grenadines VIN 28 St. Lucia LCA 29 Barbados BRB 30 Puerto Rico PUR 31 Bahamas BAH 32 Dominica DMA 33 Aruba ARU 34 Cayman Islands CAY 35 Turks and Caicos Islands TCA 36 Montserrat MSR 37 US Virgin Islands VIR 38 Saint Martin SMN 39 Sint Maarten SMA 40 Anguilla AIA 41 British Virgin Islands VGB Lofty, johnyb and Greatest Cockney Rip Off 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnyb Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 No ranking system is perfect, but this is as close to accurate as I've ever seen. I can't argue with anything in the top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Short on details but OK if this is more accurate than FIFA rankings. They mention 34 teams in the draw and have all 41 teams listed in the rankings. Is it the top 6 from this ranking and Guatemala (because they are banned right now) that are excluded? I think before they said the hex teams, so that would mean Trinidad and Tobago is out of the draw and Jamaica is in the draw. Do we know for sure which teams are involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 It's purely coincidence that the Canadian-led CONCACAF don't need to take part in the qualifying round. FIFA ranking - 11th in CONCACAF CONCACAF ranking - 7th The bottom 34 teams will take part in a qualifying round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenFisk'sBiggestFan Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, Lou said: It's purely coincidence that the Canadian-led CONCACAF don't need to take part in the qualifying round. FIFA ranking - 11th in CONCACAF CONCACAF ranking - 7th The bottom 34 teams will take part in a qualifying round. I am pretty sure Canada still needs to do qualifying... i thought It is either the top 6, or the Hex teams that don't need to. Canada isn't either. Lofty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 From the page: "The first edition of the CONCACAF Ranking Index reveals that the 34 national teams set to participate in CONCACAF Nations League Qualifying draw on March 7, are ranked as follows:" Then it displays a table of 41 member associations.. 41-34 = 7. So seven will be receiving a bye. Canada are ranked in seventh position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 37 minutes ago, dsqpr said: I think your inference is incorrect. I don't think the article says what you are implying (it does not say that the top 7 will receive a bye; also, there are only 40 teams in the list because suspended Guatemala are excluded). I think you may be right. Guatemala seem to have missed the deadline meaning Canada would take part. Lofty and BenFisk'sBiggestFan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zem Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lou said: From the page: "The first edition of the CONCACAF Ranking Index reveals that the 34 national teams set to participate in CONCACAF Nations League Qualifying draw on March 7, are ranked as follows:" Then it displays a table of 41 member associations.. 41-34 = 7. So seven will be receiving a bye. Canada are ranked in seventh position. It's most likely only 34 teams because 7 smaller nations chose not to enter and automatically start in the bottom division rather than go through qualifying, not 7 teams arbitarily getting a bye. Edit: I think @BenFisk'sBiggestFan and @dsqpr may be correct Edited March 2, 2018 by Zem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Clarification: When I posted the above, Guatemala were included in the table and it looked like this. CONCACAF have since modified their website and it looks like this: Guatemala and British Virgin Islands were removed from the table. Lofty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 So... here are the Pots.. Pot A (8) Jamaica Canada Haiti El Salvador Martinique Cuba French Guiana Guadeloupe Pot B (9) Nicaragua St. Kitts and Nevis Curacao Suriname Antigua and Barbuda Dominican Republic Bermuda Guyana Belize Pot C (9) Bonaire Grenada St. Vincent and the Grenadines St. Lucia Barbados Puerto Rico Bahamas Dominica Aruba Pot D (8) Cayman Islands Turks and Caicos Islands Montserrat US Virgin Islands Saint-Martin Sint Maarten Anguilla British Virgin Islands Lofty, BenFisk'sBiggestFan, johnyb and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Well, that's alot different than anyone expected. So we'll be playing a team from each pot starting with Pot D, then C, B and finally A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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