Dominic94 Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, mpg_29 said: Does this say more about Quebec developing young players or just the case when one team is properly tapping into a region of 8-9M people? Because if its the latter just imagine what TFC could be doing. Montreals new model is to push and develop young players for reselling, and eventually build a group that can win. That includes their academy kids, we will start to see more of them come through. DeRo_Is_King, johnyb and PegCityCam 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 What's remarkable is that Losada has benched a DP in favour of 19 yr old Sailba. That sends a powerful message to the players. costarg, DeRo_Is_King, Dominic94 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) It's also wild that they are doing all of this without a Next Pro team. Their reserves play in Ligue 1 Quebec. They loan out their better prospects to CPL or USLC. Edited August 27, 2023 by narduch Dominic94, Stryker911, johnyb and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, mpg_29 said: Does this say more about Quebec developing young players or just the case when one team is properly tapping into a region of 8-9M people? Because if its the latter just imagine what TFC could be doing. I think both of those things go hand in hand. I think the difference between TFC and Montreal is that they move on from players too early and Montreal plays through hardships. I think that has more to do with TFC being a « big club » and needs to show results (lol) whereas Montreal can spend time developing players. On Toronto, Saliba would be at TFC II and Choiniere would be at Nashville SC. Dominic94, Ivan, Stryker911 and 5 others 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 I’ll also add that TFC doesn’t have a monopoly over Ontario players in the same way Montreal does over Quebec players. All of the best players in Ontario are scouted by NCCA + Europe more often than players here. If guys like Larin and Laryea were from Montreal, I think there’s a better chance they would’ve come up through Montreal’s academy Vs going to college. Shway and DeRo_Is_King 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 4 hours ago, InglewoodJack said: I think both of those things go hand in hand. I think the difference between TFC and Montreal is that they move on from players too early and Montreal plays through hardships. I think that has more to do with TFC being a « big club » and needs to show results (lol) whereas Montreal can spend time developing players. On Toronto, Saliba would be at TFC II and Choiniere would be at Nashville SC. And Sean Rea would be the goalkeeper. Dominic94 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRo_Is_King Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 4 hours ago, InglewoodJack said: I’ll also add that TFC doesn’t have a monopoly over Ontario players in the same way Montreal does over Quebec players. All of the best players in Ontario are scouted by NCCA + Europe more often than players here. If guys like Larin and Laryea were from Montreal, I think there’s a better chance they would’ve come up through Montreal’s academy Vs going to college. I agree with this. After CF Montreal, the next level down is PLSQ if players want to stay in Quebec. Ontario has several CPL teams for players to go to. I will just say, though, that I have been impressed with Montreal's representation of local talent in the past. I remember the Impact in USL during the early 2000s, and a lot of those guys were local. It was amazing to go to those games. You'd often see fans going up to the fence separating the pitch from the stands to shake hands with the players since a lot of people knew each other. I always felt it was sad when they got to MLS, because a lot of that was lost. So maybe it's cultural team philosophy-related to see these local players representing again and doing well. Stryker911 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauditYvon Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Shame Mtl didn’t trade for Bombito last draft. DeRo_Is_King and Dominic94 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauditYvon Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, DeRo_Is_King said: I remember the Impact in USL during the early 2000s, and a lot of those guys were local. Yes and a lot were CMNT players. Gerba, Ribeiro, Biello, Gervais, Leduc, De Santis, Pizzolitto, Braz, Gbeke, Grande, etc Edited August 27, 2023 by MauditYvon Shway, DeRo_Is_King and MtlMario 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRo_Is_King Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, MauditYvon said: Yes and a lot were CMNT players. Gerba, Ribeiro, Biello, Gervais, Leduc, De Santis, Pizzolitto, Braz, Gbeke, Grande, etc Speaking of which, they had a bit of a reunion the other day: cronaldo7, MauditYvon, costarg and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 4 hours ago, InglewoodJack said: I think both of those things go hand in hand. I think the difference between TFC and Montreal is that they move on from players too early and Montreal plays through hardships. TFC's grand plan also did a 180 with their Academy grad and other Cancon inclusion after Forza Italia arrived on the scene plus the return of Laryea. It was like a movie with a John Wayne-led US Cavalry charge to the rescue. Too bad the movie turned out to be based on Custer. 😉 TOcanadafan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic94 Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Jason Hernadez the new TFC GM has however said that they don’t really use their academy and don’t have a plan or pathway for their young players. He said he intends to play that, let’s see if it stays that way. We’ve heard that before and boom Chris Armas happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 2 hours ago, BearcatSA said: TFC's grand plan also did a 180 with their Academy grad and other Cancon inclusion after Forza Italia arrived on the scene plus the return of Laryea. It was like a movie with a John Wayne-led US Cavalry charge to the rescue. Too bad the movie turned out to be based on Custer. 😉 I think we’ve seen in pretty much any sport over the last few years that the fuck them kids movement only works if the stars you attract are bonafide world class superstars. It works for Miami because it’s Messi and there are a handful of other superstars who could probably carry a team to MLS silverware, but Insigne and Berdadeschi are just not good enough to get results without a good team around them. not dissimilar to how every super team in basketball that doesn’t have either Lebron or Steph gets beat early in the playoffs. I get TFC wanted players with name recognition to put fans in the seats, but with the fanbase they had, if they just accepted that they’re gonna be bad for a few years and let their young players figure it out a la Montreal, they’d end up with at the very least a competitive team, and that’s ultimately what fans want. They need to get rid of those two guys like yesterday. costarg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, InglewoodJack said: I think both of those things go hand in hand. I think the difference between TFC and Montreal is that they move on from players too early and Montreal plays through hardships. I think that has more to do with TFC being a « big club » and needs to show results (lol) whereas Montreal can spend time developing players. On Toronto, Saliba would be at TFC II and Choiniere would be at Nashville SC. TFC has shown patience with many young Canadian players that have not delivered results in 2023. JMR and Deandre Kerr (he's been ok) each have nearly as many MLS minutes in 2023 as Saliba. Kobe Franklin has more. Edited August 27, 2023 by jonovision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 1 hour ago, jonovision said: TFC has shown patience with many young Canadian players that have not delivered results in 2023. JMR and Deandre Kerr (he's been ok) each have nearly as many MLS minutes in 2023 as Saliba. Kobe Franklin has more. Damn, is that so? That’s really surprising. Feels like TFC is a lot quicker to pull the plug on players. Franklin has been good but he started off the bench against Montreal and didn’t even play against atlas. Not to say that all of TFC’s kids have been brilliant or anything though. I do think it’s crazy that JMR got sent all the way down to TFC II though. I guess Montreal dropped Rea from the lineup too, but it just seems like TFC is a lot quicker to pull the plug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 1 hour ago, InglewoodJack said: Damn, is that so? That’s really surprising. Feels like TFC is a lot quicker to pull the plug on players. Franklin has been good but he started off the bench against Montreal and didn’t even play against atlas. Not to say that all of TFC’s kids have been brilliant or anything though. I do think it’s crazy that JMR got sent all the way down to TFC II though. I guess Montreal dropped Rea from the lineup too, but it just seems like TFC is a lot quicker to pull the plug. I think your statement remains correct historically speaking and overall. Picking a few players and part of 2023 for a comparison is too small of a sample size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 On 8/27/2023 at 6:17 AM, mpg_29 said: Does this say more about Quebec developing young players or just the case when one team is properly tapping into a region of 8-9M people? Both, probably. I still struggle to understand how the Whitecaps are still unable to have a born and bred Lower Mainland player emerge as a consistent squad regular for them. MtlMario 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InglewoodJack Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Gets the start again tonight against NYCFC MauditYvon, MCa, narduch and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phresh Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Subbed on at the half for MTL and just got an assist after forcing a turnover in the box Addona, DeRo_Is_King, Jack1997 and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phresh Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 And now just scored his first InglewoodJack, Jack1997, Addona and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 This guy is special. Addona, johnyb, InglewoodJack and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costarg Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 18 minutes ago, phresh said: Subbed on at the half for MTL and just got an assist after forcing a turnover in the box We just knew that Camacho would be good for at least one major brainfart. I’m betting on a second one. phresh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PegCityCam Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 To the moon!🚀🌚 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRo_Is_King Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) Here it is. Great goal through the wickets: Edited September 3, 2023 by DeRo_Is_King Corazon, canuckgbp, Kadenge and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addona Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Serious question: is there any chance we lose this guy to Haiti … what should my level of concern be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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