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4 hours ago, SthMelbRed said:

I think you meant some scented candles and a Barry White CD. 😉 

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The best thing our women can do is get the hell out of the NWSL and over to Europe.  Huitema is obviously better for it and both Janine Beckie and Adriana Leon are thriving.  Beckie could barely get a start in Houston or Sky Blue but she's tearing it up at Manchester City playing as an aggressively offensive minded defender.  She's not scoring but that's not her job, she's just dominating her side and serving ball after ball in to the opposing teams box.  I also love the fact I can watch her and Leon on demand for free on the FA Player, as opposed to the weekly changes in "broadcaster" for the NWSL.

The NWSL is a USWNT league that promotes their style of direct, physical play with a real lack of the technical side you see in the European game.   Our women aren't prioritized there despite the CSA subsidizing their play.  If theEuropean clubs want our NT players I'm all for it.

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We've been hearing for a long time about how the Americans will be bitten by their style of play being eclipsed by the European one.  And yet, there they are at number one in the world, still the favourite for winning each World Cup.  The European style may be more pleasing to watch for soccer purists, but I don't think that it has yet been proven that it is the way to win women's soccer games.  It would be interesting to figure out why the women's game is different from the men's game that way.

That said, I'm all for our players getting on to teams where they aren't second class citizens.  The NWSL seems fine for our established players, but doesn't seem to be as good for our developing players.  Whether the European style is better or not, European clubs seem to be the better place to get skills and experience.

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6 hours ago, rkomar said:

And yet, there they are at number one in the world, still the favourite for winning each World Cup.

They are, yes, but there sure was a lot of help from the referees this time.  They needed two penalties vs the Netherlands, and an offside call vs England to get to the final.  Look to the movie "Bend it Like Becham" for the answer as to why the US is still #1, it takes more than one generation to cultivate a cadre of players capable of catching up to to the US.  I look more at the individuals in Europe, the likes of Lucy Bronze, to demonstrate what is coming.  The US has athletes, the Europeans have footballers.  When a team has enough time and the critical mass of players to develop 11 of them my money says the US is out.  Unfortunately that also means Canada is done, too.  We have nothing like either the US or European development systems.

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I think you're not appreciating the technical skill of the Americans' top team.  Just because they are more athletic doesn't mean they aren't as skilled.  That's what's keeping them on top of the world.  It's true that the levels below them (including NWSL) lean towards athleticism over skill, but the cream of the crop has both.

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We'll have to disagree because I have been thoroughly unimpressed with the skill the USWNT displays.  I watched enough Portland Thorns to realize Tobin Heath is a one trick pony.  I really don't appreciate whatever skill they display, from my point of view they're just the physical specimens you find when that many players are in your talent pool.  I firmly believe that once the Europeans begin to develop the numbers of female players, they too will find their physical stand-outs and then they will apply the superior coaching and training to dismantle the USA.  Or at least that's what I hope 🙂

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2 hours ago, rkomar said:

I think you're not appreciating the technical skill of the Americans' top team.  Just because they are more athletic doesn't mean they aren't as skilled.  That's what's keeping them on top of the world.  It's true that the levels below them (including NWSL) lean towards athleticism over skill, but the cream of the crop has both.

Check out the wonderful skill of Alex Morgan @ 9:10. Also 5:00, & 8:30 (apologies for the ulta-irritating commentator).

The US national team has lots of very skillful players. You don't get to be #1 in the world without them.

 

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23 hours ago, Patrick said:

The best thing our women can do is get the hell out of the NWSL and over to Europe.  Huitema is obviously better for it and both Janine Beckie and Adriana Leon are thriving.  Beckie could barely get a start in Houston or Sky Blue but she's tearing it up at Manchester City playing as an aggressively offensive minded defender.  She's not scoring but that's not her job, she's just dominating her side and serving ball after ball in to the opposing teams box.  I also love the fact I can watch her and Leon on demand for free on the FA Player, as opposed to the weekly changes in "broadcaster" for the NWSL.

The NWSL is a USWNT league that promotes their style of direct, physical play with a real lack of the technical side you see in the European game.   Our women aren't prioritized there despite the CSA subsidizing their play.  If theEuropean clubs want our NT players I'm all for it.

I thought Canada played better vs Jamaica than SKN. The passing was crisper & faster, they were more connected, more varied attack and better off the ball movement. 

Beckie wasn't just one note player like we saw last year. Beckie & Huitema had a better connection than Sinclair has had with Huitema or Leon. With Riviere now a starting back, Lawrence should be playing more midfield. She switches play better and delivers more incisive passes than Fleming. Our Euro based players have been the best so far in this tourney - could be fitness but all are showing to be more skillful.

Fleming seems to play well in college but in the past year with the national team, the ball continues to bypass her, she is easily pushed off the ball and her teammates regularly bypass her. I heard she passed on the NWSL draft to finish her degree. So, I don't see her improving in the short run.

So in matches where Chapman isn't a liability against a world class winger, time to start Lawrence in midfield. And against lower ranked teams, time to start Huitema. Against higher ranked teams, time to sub off Sinclair earlier for Huitema or Leon. 

For the American women, they're still athletically dominating which tends to get neutralized in the men's game as they age,. The women's game is still skewed u25. Americans are also mentally dominating which isn't going to change until women and women's football are more valued as they grow up in other societies. And technically, European women are getting better than the Americans but the gap isn't significant enough as it in the men's game.  Women in other regions are still a generation behind technically from the Americans.

 

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For some reason, Jamaica sat back and didn't really press the Canadian players during the game.  That is always going to make our players look good, because they have plenty of time to make their plays.  So, I don't think you should rank Canadian players based on how good some of them looked in that game.  It wasn't a good test.

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6 hours ago, narduch said:

Looks like One Soccer added more cable companies. You can watch the game v. Mexico for free on Rogers, Telus TV or SaskTel.

Is there a free internet streaming or in youtube?

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So I thought the woman’s national soccer team is bigger in popularity than the woman’s national basket ball team ? But the woman’s national soccer teams Olympic qualifying is on and let’s be honest a still obscure app, whereas the woman’s Olympic basketball qualifying tournament will be on a mainstream regular tv station the CBC . Again I have to state that putting so much soccer on these apps is not a good thing, out of site out of mind . Only the die hards are watching this woman’s Olympic soccer qualifying tournament let’s be realistic , however, everyone one will be able to watch the woman’s basketball team try to qualify.

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43 minutes ago, SoccMan said:

So I thought the woman’s national soccer team is bigger in popularity than the woman’s national basket ball team ? But the woman’s national soccer teams Olympic qualifying is on and let’s be honest a still obscure app, whereas the woman’s Olympic basketball qualifying tournament will be on a mainstream regular tv station the CBC . Again I have to state that putting so much soccer on these apps is not a good thing, out of site out of mind . Only the die hards are watching this woman’s Olympic soccer qualifying tournament let’s be realistic , however, everyone one will be able to watch the woman’s basketball team try to qualify.

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18 hours ago, SoccMan said:

So I thought the woman’s national soccer team is bigger in popularity than the woman’s national basket ball team ? But the woman’s national soccer teams Olympic qualifying is on and let’s be honest a still obscure app, whereas the woman’s Olympic basketball qualifying tournament will be on a mainstream regular tv station the CBC . Again I have to state that putting so much soccer on these apps is not a good thing, out of site out of mind . Only the die hards are watching this woman’s Olympic soccer qualifying tournament let’s be realistic , however, everyone one will be able to watch the woman’s basketball team try to qualify.

The Canada football matches are on tv. Just on Rogers but now on other cable line ups. 

I would say the Olympic football matches are being played at times that CBC would never show on tv (news and hockey take precedence). Plus, expected entertainment value is below average as other than maybe for 1.5 matches, these aren't expected to be competitive and are played before smallish crowds. No casual viewer would be watching beyond 15 mins. Just because it is on tv does not mean people will care.

Since CBC carries the Olympics, they have carried the qualifiers for many of the sports. But mostly streaming rather than tv. Assuming people on this forum are only casual followers of other Olympic sports, has anybody on this forum watched any of them? I have watched field hockey & rugby but not much else. 

2 of the 3 basketball qualifiers are being shown live on tv but one is on Thursday afternoon - so not many watching. The 12ET Sunday game will get some viewers. Saturday game for tv got bumped for hockey. But beyond being shown on CBC tv, CBC Gem & DAZN, 99% of Canadians will not know if the team qualified or not on Monday. 

In the month of January, Sinclair had second highest mentions on twitter amongst Canadian athletes. So, the national women's football team remains more popular and more importantly, has a more engaged base than for women's basketball.

 

 

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Mexico 0 Canada 2 HT.  186 and counting.

Very solid half from Scottie, as usual. Carle also doing very well at LB. And Sophie Schmidt's movement off the ball is superb: always making herself available for a pass and moving the ball along quickly and accurately when she gets it.

Beautiful first goal by Canada and although the second was a big keeper gaffe, it was a nice feed by Buchanan, and Zadorsky showed how getting off a quick first time shot can pay dividends. Forwards take note!

In truth, Canada have not created much up front.

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My POTM: Sophie Schmidt.

Canada with loads of possession but little punch, although they did pick it up a bit near the end.

The US always seem to buzz around their opponent's goal like a bunch of angry hornets and the goals can come from anywhere, particularly midfielders like Carli Lloyd getting forward. Canada almost seem to do the opposite, with forwards getting back into midfield and nobody getting right up against the last defender.

Random observation: Jordyn Huitema is slow.

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