BuzzAndSting Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 29 minutes ago, SpecialK said: I'm not shocked, it seems like CSA doesn't really have or any good proper scouting department and coaches to identify young talent. With today's players playing all over the world and they have multiple nations to choose from you got to have a proper scouting system/ department or you're going to have players fall through the cracks or get picked up by other nations. We got lucky! How would the CSA scout this player if they didn't know he was eligible? Free kick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, BuzzAndSting said: How would the CSA scout this player if they didn't know he was eligible? A good scouting department would have found out if he was or not. And once again I love how you come to aid of the CSA, Buzz you must work for the CSA Edited October 5, 2017 by SpecialK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 minute ago, SpecialK said: A good scouting department would have found out if he was or not. And once again I love how you come to aid of the CSA, Buzz you must work for the CSA How? Explain how the CSA should have scouted Elva? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, BuzzAndSting said: How? Explain how the CSA should have scouted Elva? Jesus he played in Calgary for 7 years ! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caniggia_Elva Edited October 5, 2017 by SpecialK Northvansteve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Just now, SpecialK said: Jesus he played in Calgary for 7 years ! He was born in St Lucia, did he have Canadian citizenship while in Calgary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said: He was born in St Lucia, did he have Canadian citizenship while in Calgary? I have no idea, I'm not a soccer scout . Did the CSA asked him? It seems like a pretty simple question to ask. I'm sure if they ask around in Calgary they could have found it. Edited October 5, 2017 by SpecialK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 minute ago, SpecialK said: I have no idea, I'm not a soccer scout . Did the CSA asked him? It seems like a pretty simple question to ask. I'm sure if they ask around in Calgary they could have found it. That's my point, you have no clue but you blame the CSA. My understanding was that he didn't receive his citizenship until he was 18 or 19, then he was injured and out for a while. The CSA doesn't have the budget to scout every youth player in Canada, I don't know if there's a federation in the world that can do that. If he wasn't a Canadian when playing in Calgary he wouldn't have been identified by the normal channels. Zem and El Hombre 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Again back to the budget. The reason for all of the CSA failures. And buzz come on The big football nations find or steal kids, they have the budgets. England has a 100 million dollar training Facility. Anyways he signed on with Canada ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 The CSA has a free scouting network with this board... they would have to be ignorant to not read here. How could it be that no one had heard of him? The kid was being linked to Arsenal ffs. SpecialK, Ivanovski94, johnyb and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, SpecialK said: Again back to the budget. The reason for all of the CSA failures. And buzz come on The big football nations find or steal kids, they have the budgets. England has a 100 million dollar training Facility. Anyways he signed on with Canada ! Yes the budget, that's literally determines all that we're capable of. And right... Canada=England in any sense. El Hombre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, Keegan said: The CSA has a free scouting network with this board... they would have to be ignorant to not read here. How could it be that no one had heard of him? The kid was being linked to Arsenal ffs. Very true and I think the fact that Leutwiler is with Canada is a testament. I'd have to go back but I think the CSA was aware of him when he went to Germany. Edited October 5, 2017 by BuzzAndSting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialK Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said: I don't know if there's a federation in the world that can do that. England and the big boys can Buzz. Even The United States under Klinsmann started scouting in Europe for young duel nationals, it was one of their policies and directives. Edited October 5, 2017 by SpecialK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Just now, SpecialK said: England and the big boys can Buzz. Even The United States under Klinsmann started scouting Europe for young duel nationals, it was one of their policies and directives. Check their budget and get back to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Elva got Canadian citizenship between the ages of 18 and 19, it held up him signing in Germany because he would not count as a domestic as a St. Lucian (as opposed to Canadians). The CSA would have known about his move to Stuttgart since they had to sign his ITC. Blackjack15, nolando, BCM and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 That story from OZ does not sound like it is correct to me. I am not saying he is lying, he may believe that that is what happened and maybe people called him and said you need to look at this guy who never played youth level for Canada. But as jpg mentioned, I am pretty sure the CSA was well aware of him the whole time he was in Stuttgart and the reason he never played at the youth level was he was not a citizen. BCM, jpg75 and BuzzAndSting 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Agree with Buzz. Not sure it's not an out of context quote. Zambrano got calls from people to see if he would be called up after he took over. The second part is talking about how elva was discovered late (a few years ago). There is no way the CSA just found out about him this year. We have been talking about him a couple of years here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince193 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 8 hours ago, toontownman said: Agree with Buzz. Not sure it's not an out of context quote. Zambrano got calls from people to see if he would be called up after he took over. The second part is talking about how elva was discovered late (a few years ago). There is no way the CSA just found out about him this year. We have been talking about him a couple of years here. Does the CSA actually follow this board though? There's a lot of players who we've pointed out who it seems the CSA has ignored despite being perfect additions to the pool, like Andreas Vaikla who would probably come to play for Canada if asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 32 minutes ago, Vince193 said: Does the CSA actually follow this board though? There's a lot of players who we've pointed out who it seems the CSA has ignored despite being perfect additions to the pool, like Andreas Vaikla who would probably come to play for Canada if asked. For sure someone does, see Jayson Leutwiler. As for Vaikla there's nothing to indicate that the CSA hasn't approached him or that he would accept a call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Vince193 said: Does the CSA actually follow this board though? There's a lot of players who we've pointed out who it seems the CSA has ignored despite being perfect additions to the pool, like Andreas Vaikla who would probably come to play for Canada if asked. I'm pretty sure that Vaikla said he wanted to play for Estonia. I just think he said no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, jpg75 said: Elva got Canadian citizenship between the ages of 18 and 19, it held up him signing in Germany because he would not count as a domestic as a St. Lucian (as opposed to Canadians). The CSA would have known about his move to Stuttgart since they had to sign his ITC. Actually, I think Elva's lack of Canadian citizenship did not hamper the signing, but rather it prevented him from playing in Germany. This is why he was loaned to Strasbourg's reserve team for the first season he was in Germany. Elva received his citizenship in July 2015, but had signed in Stuttgart in July 2014 on his 18th birthday. Edited October 5, 2017 by shermanator jpg75 and BCM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjack15 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 So in reality; he's only been a Canadian citizen for 2 years now and he gets called up to the U-23 and MNT in 2017 Zambrano likes from what he saw in Caniggia Elva, Floro may not have who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 20 minutes ago, Blackjack15 said: So in reality; he's only been a Canadian citizen for 2 years now and he gets called up to the U-23 and MNT in 2017 Zambrano likes from what he saw in Caniggia Elva, Floro may not have who knows As I mentioned earlier, Elva was out for an extended period with an injury which could have prevented a call up. BCM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 5 hours ago, shermanator said: Actually, I think Elva's lack of Canadian citizenship did not hamper the signing, but rather it prevented him from playing in Germany. This is why he was loaned to Strasbourg's reserve team for the first season he was in Germany. Elva received his citizenship in July 2015, but had signed in Stuttgart in July 2014 on his 18th birthday Yes, you are correct he was able to sign but not play in Germany as he was not Canadian yet. Once he received citizenship the CSA would have also needed to file for an exemption for him to play for Canada as he would not meet the FIFA residency requirements of 5 years after age 18. That would have probably not been granted yet when Floro was putting together the U23 squad in early 2016. BCM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Thompson Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 For those of you wondering why he wasn't subbed on, him and Ricketts were sent back to their clubs due to injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpion26 Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Anyone thinks he trains and perhaps join first team after break? Feels like it time for him to do so or find loan in BL2 to get some games or even BL3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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