BringBackTheBlizzard Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Didn't care either way emotionally whether they qualified, but suspect indirectly it would have been the better outcome for Canada in the long run for the sort of reasons mentioned above by socceronly. Overall doubt it makes much difference to how things will be a decade from now. There are very few countries that don't miss out occasionally on this. The Dutch for example are usually more of a contender than the USMNT, but also failed to qualify this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 13 hours ago, DJT said: Let's begin with Taylor Twellman having a cow : http://www.espnfc.com/world-cup-qualifying-concacaf/64/video/3226307/watch-twellman-sounds-off-after-us-miss-world-cup Actually I enjoyed his analysis and he is spot on in his criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRM Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Ah the "Teal" curse on the USMNT is working. Must work on another voodoo doll, this one is all worn out. This was just the perfect storm. Wonderful stuff. As much as I love to watch Tim Howard I've been saying for years that he carried that team and they have nobody in the pipeline who can come close. He is definitely the best they've ever produced and would have never risen to the heights they did without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjack15 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Did Bruce Arena resign in effect immediately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 1 hour ago, TRM said: Ah the "Teal" curse on the USMNT is working. Must work on another voodoo doll, this one is all worn out. This was just the perfect storm. Wonderful stuff. As much as I love to watch Tim Howard I've been saying for years that he carried that team and they have nobody in the pipeline who can come close. He is definitely the best they've ever produced and would have never risen to the heights they did without him. There are many good american goal keepers. Producing good goal keepers is one of the things they do well and have been doing well. So its puzzling that they stuck with howard so long despite the fact that he wasnt all that sharp. I was able to catch live on youtube their game versus Costa rica that was played in Redbull arena. He was clearly to blame for being out of position on the first goal. Brad Guzan has a good pedigree and is a good shot stopper, there are others like Blake in Philly and Hamid (DCU). These are capable guys. The sad part about them missing out this time is for what happens off the pitch with soccer in the US. And by that i mean that in the US, like in canada, there are many people and entities that like to see soccer fail. Thats because of such things as: eurosnobbery, and/or the sport being seen foreign/ un american, and/or because soccer and it growth in popularity upsets the competive lanscape of and established order in the sports entertainment marketplace. You even see examples of what i am talking about regularly in mainstream media even in these forums. I cite as example, comming accross comments that compare MLS to european second divsions or lower. Or, when you read people applauding a player like Petrasso’s & Careiro’s decision to leave the TFC academy (which offers everything you need as far as infrastructue and support) in favour of a crap outfit like QPR whose player devopment infrastructures is a shadow of what exists at TFC. These are just examples, but you can come accross this stuff almost on a daily basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrstepp817 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Part of the issue is in JK and BA, they didnt play other keepers enough to get them prepared.....Howard and Guzan are well past their prime (did Guzan ever have one?) Hamid, Horvath, Gonzalez should have been worked in more friendlies the past 2 years honestly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 9 hours ago, ted said: Actually I enjoyed his analysis and he is spot on in his criticism. In the business world there is a saying that goes: “Dont bring me problems, bring me solutions”. The issue i have with that rant is that i didnt hear a single idea or solution. And, as far as problems, i am not sure (unless i missed it) he articulated any or was in any way specific. The good thing is that, at least, it shows that someone is angry about missing out on the world cup. Because, the alternative (ie.: appathy and indifference) would be far far worst of a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 So Fox Sports paid $200m for the World Cup and now they have no Americans to show off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRM Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 47 minutes ago, Free kick said: There are many good american goal keepers. Good yes, great? No. They have nobody close to the Tim Howard of 2003-2015. That is what you need. 47 minutes ago, Free kick said: there are others like Blake in Philly He plays for Jamaica 47 minutes ago, Free kick said: and Hamid (DCU). These are capable guys. Capable yes but to win you need that someone special. The guy who just walks on water to give his team a chance. Nobody even close which bodes very poorly for the USA MNT. The coach went with a "safe" pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRM Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 10 minutes ago, matty said: So Fox Sports paid $200m for the World Cup and now they have no Americans to show off Buts lots of available players to vie for the "special commentator" role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigi riva Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 For way to many years the Americans have had a lot of calls go there way in WC Qualifying and Gold Cup so ha ha loks god on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryker911 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Not sure if anyone else mentioned it but equally happy that Bosnia and Begovic didn't qualify as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 3 hours ago, TRM said: He plays for Jamaica Oops. Brain cramp on my part. Yes he plays for Jamaica.. was trying to think of a few others to list off and he came to mind forgot that important part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 This sums up a lot on why they failed to qualify 3:50 mark-Most arrogant US team I've seen in 20 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt-MTL Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Interesting thing about that video is what wasn't mentioned: why are they soft? why are they arrogant? IMHO some of these guys who should be competing at a higher level took a big payday to come back from Europe and effectively retire early in MLS. When you know your place in the team is secure and you'll hardly have any negative media challenging you, you can't help but get comfortable, and comfort breeds complacency, and complacency breeds softness. This isn't to bag on MLS; it's a fun league to watch and the standard has certainly gone up in recent years, but it is still a feeder league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moldy9 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 4 hours ago, Ansem said: This sums up a lot on why they failed to qualify 3:50 mark-Most arrogant US team I've seen in 20 years I think these talking heads are mostly upset that they won't get much overtime pay next summer and will have to cover the likes of Panama, Costa Rica, and their biggest rival, Mexico hahaha. Hislop was the only one that seemed to have an objective opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 On 2017-10-10 at 10:54 PM, matty said: Was this something he really tweeted? On 2017-10-10 at 11:19 PM, shermanator said: Michael Bradley, Arjen Robben, Alexis Sanchez and Gareth Bale walk into a bar. They all sit down and watch the World Cup on TV. The man doesn't drink with inferiors. Maybe Sanchez could make a case to share a table....just maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 17 hours ago, Free kick said: There are many good american goal keepers. Producing good goal keepers is one of the things they do well and have been doing well. So its puzzling that they stuck with howard so long despite the fact that he wasnt all that sharp. I was able to catch live on youtube their game versus Costa rica that was played in Redbull arena. He was clearly to blame for being out of position on the first goal. Brad Guzan has a good pedigree and is a good shot stopper, there are others like Blake in Philly and Hamid (DCU). These are capable guys. Capable, but not dominant. They had to stick with Howard because those options scream depth and not starter. Guzan's been iffy his whole career at the top level. I'd agree with the decline in American goalkeeping comment. Agree with this failure being fuel for more eurosnobbery though. It felt nice to see them fail, maybe for five seconds, but then reality set in and the guilt of schadenfreude made way for genuine disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRM Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 27 scenarios where they would go through and 1 where they wouldn't .... Yep just count them chickens before they hatch. LMAO. I'm enjoying this way too much but what the hell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1996 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 4 hours ago, Kurt-MTL said: Interesting thing about that video is what wasn't mentioned: why are they soft? why are they arrogant? IMHO some of these guys who should be competing at a higher level took a big payday to come back from Europe and effectively retire early in MLS. When you know your place in the team is secure and you'll hardly have any negative media challenging you, you can't help but get comfortable, and comfort breeds complacency, and complacency breeds softness. This isn't to bag on MLS; it's a fun league to watch and the standard has certainly gone up in recent years, but it is still a feeder league. Sure but still the US with many MLS players and Costa Rica have actually done pretty good in World Cups not only qualifying so many times in the past but once they are there have done pretty good with MLS players in the World Cup finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRM Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 4 hours ago, Macksam said: The man doesn't drink with inferiors. Maybe Sanchez could make a case to share a table....just maybe 4 hours ago, Macksam said: On 10/10/2017 at 9:19 PM, shermanator said: Michael Bradley, Arjen Robben, Alexis Sanchez and Gareth Bale walk into a bar. They all sit down and watch the World Cup on TV. Robben immediately takes a dive to get more room at the table than the others Best comment I've heard in several world cups is "Robben at the slightest hint of a touch in the 18 goes to ground with facial expressions like Captain Jean-Luc Picard on a bad acid trip". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRM Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 1 hour ago, 1996 said: Sure but still the US with many MLS players and Costa Rica have actually done pretty good in World Cups not only qualifying so many times in the past but once they are there have done pretty good with MLS players in the World Cup finals. And one phenomenal top 1/2 EPL keeper ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigi riva Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Screw The Americans time for us to continue to rebuild our program now in year 31 We need more clubs with Acdemies for our youth more concentration on games like Futsal were a guy can really develop his skills But Ya seeing the Americans not qualify is gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRM Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 2 hours ago, gigi riva said: Screw The Americans time for us to continue to rebuild our program now in year 31 We need more clubs with Acdemies for our youth more concentration on games like Futsal were a guy can really develop his skills But Ya seeing the Americans not qualify is gold Even more than that is the fact that this should inspire our players. The USA is not on par with Mexico and other regional heavyweights. They can be beaten by a determined group of players who won't quit, have a bit of luck go their way and can score one brilliant goal. Time for us to be that group! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 hour ago, TRM said: Even more than that is the fact that this should inspire our players. The USA is not on par with Mexico and other regional heavyweights. They can be beaten by a determined group of players who won't quit, have a bit of luck go their way and can score one brilliant goal. Time for us to be that group! Sniff, sniff, (wiping eyes)...sounds like you are describing our 2000 Gold Cup team. If we did it then, and Panama is doing now, why not us?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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