jonovision Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 4 hours ago, Cicero said: I count seven pro teams, with three of those being pretty low budget (CPL, CFL, AHL). With a population of 7 million, that really isn't many. Winnipeg supports three with one-tenth the population. However, I doubt Torontonians will support anything other than a 'big' league. For whatever reason, local stuff just doesn't take-off there. Too busy celebrating everyone's 'heritage' I guess (i.e. cheering for Crawley Town or Crotone...)ย If you're including CPL, it's 4. NHL, CFL, AHL, CPL. Bison44 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 20 minutes ago, Kingston said: The idea behind affiliated teams is not that they would draw better than regular teams and it is certainly not to make the CPL a farm league for MLS.ย The idea is that, if the CPL was having trouble keeping enough teams viable, then adding three affiliated teams gives them stability since the MLS parent teams presumably would not care if their CPL affiliates ran at a financial loss.ย ย ย Except Vancouver and Montreal shut their farm teams down after a few years because they were too expensive.ย Whitecaps said they lost millions a year.ย ย ย toontownman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 20 minutes ago, jonovision said: If you're including CPL, it's 4. NHL, CFL, AHL, CPL. Are you including the Goldeyes??ย ย Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Bison44 said: Are you including the Goldeyes??ย ย I doubt the poster making the original comparison would have heard of the Goldeyes.ย K Edgar, DoyleG and Bison44 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 10 hours ago, Bison44 said: The Bombers can talk about how they not happy and Rollins can cast aspersions on WPG, but what can they expect?ย Bombers dont put a lot of effort into Valour.ย A fanbase isnt just going to appear out of nowhere, they need to put more $ out into the community/marketing, be engaged and ultimately more money on the field/players etc.ย It seems like they are happy to run it cheap and get the 14 home games to keep IG field busy.ย Which is a shame because it could be a lot more.ย ย Speculate to accumulate and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ozzie_the_parrot Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 On 11/22/2022 at 10:32 PM, Kingston said: I don't think the budget and travel are so large (even relatively) that they are unrealistic.ย Two reality checks that do need to be made: 1.ย We need probably five non-covid years for the teams that will survive to establish themselves and develop a reliable 5000 baseline attendance... My understanding is that the conventional wisdom on this is that you can usually tell from the fan response to the opening season whether the economic model of a new pro league or franchise in North America is going to make it or not. Hence why, for example, spring gridiron leagues in the United States usually don't last very long before the plug gets pulled. The Canadian Baseball League would be another example closer to home: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Baseball_League The main reason CanPL is treated as an exception is that a lot of people associated with the league appear to have convinced themselves that the 2026 World Cup is going to be a transformative event for soccer in Canada and went into the league expecting to take a financial hit for a few years in the build up to that. The league and CSB has been structured in a way that is designed to primarily benefit the initial wave of investors financially if/when a post-2026 boom happens. The crunch moment for CanPL as currently configured would/will come if/when those investors (minus the Faths) reach a consensus on whether they have now seen enough to stop believing in that big pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.ย The slightly awkward angle to the CMNT being In Qatar is how people associated with the Blue Bombers would react if they don't see an indication that it has moved the needle on season ticket and general admission sales in 2023. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 i dont understand the singling out of WPG? Wont all the entire league be concerned if this bump of soccer interest doesnt translate into some better support of the local team next spring?ย ย The bombers are one of the lucky teams that can make money from their ownership stake (in IG field) and not just Valours ticket sales on someone elses stadium.ย That gives them an extra kick at the can in terms of revenue and extra incentive to keep the team going.ย But I guess if you are looking for negative things you are apt to find them.ย ย narduch, K Edgar and Bbeto 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, Bison44 said: i dont understand the singling out of WPG? Wont all the entire league be concerned if this bump of soccer interest doesnt translate into some better support of the local team next spring?ย ย The bombers are one of the lucky teams that can make money from their ownership stake (in IG field) and not just Valours ticket sales on someone elses stadium.ย That gives them an extra kick at the can in terms of revenue and extra incentive to keep the team going.ย But I guess if you are looking for negative things you are apt to find them.ย ย I think it comes from a throwaway remark from Rollins, lumping in Valour with Edmonton. Maybe the fact that Valour are more of a side project for the ownership structure, compared to most of the other setups in CanPL.ย But as you say, with WFC owning (sort of) the stadium, Valour doesn't need to be as successful to be a money maker. K Edgar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 12 minutes ago, Bison44 said: i dont understand the singling out of WPG? Wont all the entire league be concerned if this bump of soccer interest doesnt translate into some better support of the local team next spring?ย ย The bombers are one of the lucky teams that can make money from their ownership stake (in IG field) and not just Valours ticket sales on someone elses stadium.ย That gives them an extra kick at the can in terms of revenue and extra incentive to keep the team going.ย But I guess if you are looking for negative things you are apt to find them.ย ย It's basically OTP's latest talking point for his bus league obsessionย longlugan and CDNFootballer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 On 11/26/2022 at 10:05 AM, Ozzie_the_parrot said: My understanding is that the conventional wisdom on this is that you can usually tell from the fan response to the opening season whether the economic model of a new pro league or franchise in North America is going to make it or not. I'm not sure what the conventional wisdom would be on that.ย I was disappointed that many of the CPL teams had starting attendances as low as they were.ย I was really hoping most would be between 5000 and 10 000 instead of sub-5000.ย That said, we've seen evidence that teams can grow their attendances meaningfully.ย That doesn't guarantee it will happen everywhere but it is encouraging to see that it can be done. On 11/26/2022 at 10:05 AM, Ozzie_the_parrot said: The main reason CanPL is treated as an exception is that a lot of people associated with the league appear to have convinced themselves that the 2026 World Cup is going to be a transformative event for soccer in Canada and went into the league expecting to take a financial hit for a few years in the build up to that. I've seen this attitude amongst some posters on boards like these but I'm not sure I've seen anything stating it is the expectation of the ownership groups.ย I hope not because I'm not convinced that interest in the World Cup will necessarily translate down to ticket sales for CPL teams, at least not to the extent that it would move the needle on the success and value of the teams. Ivan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, Kingston said: I've seen this attitude amongst some posters on boards like these but I'm not sure I've seen anything stating it is the expectation of the ownership groups.ย I hope not because I'm not convinced that interest in the World Cup will necessarily translate down to ticket sales for CPL teams, at least not to the extent that it would move the needle on the success and value of the teams. There's still time to shift marketing in a way to make the league more visible before, during and after the 2026 World Cup - which they have yet to do. It's too early to make a judgment on that. The CPL season will be on hiatus most likely (or not) - I expect the clubs and league to try to have their logos as visible as possible everywhere around that time. It would be stupid for them not to do so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, Ansem said: There's still time to shift marketing in a way to make the league more visible before, during and after the 2026 World Cup - which they have yet to do. It's too early to make a judgment on that. The CPL season will be on hiatus most likely (or not) - I expect the clubs and league to try to have their logos as visible as possible everywhere around that time. It would be stupid for them not to do so I fully expect the CPL to do everything they can now and in the lead up to 2026.ย Having followed MLS through several World Cups since even before the Canadian teams arrived, however, I don't think it would be wise to count on a needle-moving World Cup bump for the CPL.ย There will be all kinds of fans who never or hardly follow soccer who will suddenly be all over the World Cup, just like so many of us take an interest in rowing or ski jumping every four years when the Olympics arrives.ย A few of them will check out the CPL afterward and, by all means, I hope the league grabs them.ย I just don't think teams and owners should be expecting thousands of new, long term CPL fans as a result of 2026 no matter how well they advertize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Kingston said: I fully expect the CPL to do everything they can now and in the lead up to 2026.ย Having followed MLS through several World Cups since even before the Canadian teams arrived, however, I don't think it would be wise to count on a needle-moving World Cup bump for the CPL.ย There will be all kinds of fans who never or hardly follow soccer who will suddenly be all over the World Cup, just like so many of us take an interest in rowing or ski jumping every four years when the Olympics arrives.ย A few of them will check out the CPL afterward and, by all means, I hope the league grabs them.ย I just don't think teams and owners should be expecting thousands of new, long term CPL fans as a result of 2026 no matter how well they advertize. I don't think they bank it all on 2026 but it would be inaccurate not to make a marketing push during that period and not expect to convert new fans. Both views aren't mutually exclusive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ozzie_the_parrot Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Wellington's answer to Sigma by the looks of things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olรฉ_Football_Academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 23 hours ago, Ansem said: There's still time to shift marketing in a way to make the league more visible before, during and after the 2026 World Cup - which they have yet to do. It's too early to make a judgment on that. The CPL season will be on hiatus most likely (or not) - I expect the clubs and league to try to have their logos as visible as possible everywhere around that time. It would be stupid for them not to do so On the โduringโ World Cup part, Iโve seen the very heavy hand of FIFA here in Qatar. ย Anything that looks like marketing that isnโt sanctioned is shut down. ย But that only affects two markets. And Iโm not so sure the CPL will shut down. Obviously they wonโt compete directly against Canada matches. ย But 2026 is still a long time away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillOnFire Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Good luck to Alan Koch in his new role in NZ. I have a lot of respect for him, did a solid job in a tough environment. Ivan, K Edgar, Ftduck and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yothat2 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 12 hours ago, StillOnFire said: Good luck to Alan Koch in his new role in NZ. I have a lot of respect for him, did a solid job in a tough environment. must been an big offerย Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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yothat2 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 https://www.instagram.com/p/ClrB0ePNq1a/?igshid=ZmVmZTY5ZGE=. ย ย Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 On 12/2/2022 at 1:52 PM, yothat2 said: https://www.instagram.com/p/ClrB0ePNq1a/?igshid=ZmVmZTY5ZGE=. ย ย Terrible use of downtown space, that being said...looks like enough space for a modular stadium though... Nello 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yothat2 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 4 hours ago, Ansem said: Terrible use of downtown space, that being said...looks like enough space for a modular stadium though... Modular Stadium and some towers and condo's like being proposed in Ottawa ย https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/proposed-330m-lansdowne-2-0-includes-new-stands-arena-1.5878426 jordan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATM Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 I was on the CPL site and noticed Edmonton is still listed as a team. Should they not be removed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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