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Concacaf should retaliate by expanding the Champions league to 8 liga MX, 8 MLS teams. 32 teams total with 3 or 4 Canadian teams. A far better alternative

 

Everytime these goofballs try this stuff.. campeonese cup type ideas. The fans reject it

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Little know fact LigaMX tv ratings in the US are higher than NHL, College Basketball, EPL and MLB. The rich pricks who own MLS teams want a piece of that action. Those extra bucks would probably push MLS very close to competing with the big4 euro league on player salaries

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1 minute ago, SpursFlu said:

Little know fact LigaMX tv ratings in the US are higher than NHL, College Basketball, EPL and MLB. The rich pricks who own MLS teams want a piece of that action

I doubt CONCACAF goes for it. Their Champions League would mean even less than it already does.

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45 minutes ago, SpursFlu said:

Concacaf should retaliate by expanding the Champions league to 8 liga MX, 8 MLS teams. 32 teams total with 3 or 4 Canadian teams. A far better alternative

 

Everytime these goofballs try this stuff.. campeonese cup type ideas. The fans reject it

I don't understand what this would accomplish. "Retaliate" means you think CONCACAF don't want this Liga MX/MLS merger to happen (if you think he was also thinking of CPL, you are fooling yourself). So then that must mean you think giving those leagues double the representatives in CCL is some sort of punishment? It would also leave CONCACAF Champions League with 16 teams (half the competition in your proposal) from the same league. Why would CONCACAF want to do that to themselves?

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It would create a domino effect that would crumble the entire football global structure. Big private money is already trying to create a euro super league. A liga MX/MLS league would swallow every league in the Americas outside of the Brasilairo and maybe Argentina

 

The Confederations would have little leverage and become irrelevant 

 

My thought on more teams in Champions League is creating more of what the mls liga owners are looking for but keeping it within the Continental structure and including other members like the CPL. 

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This won’t happen. It would require promotion and relegation to work, and MLS won’t agree to that.

Without pro/rel they would have to leave out the 2nd tier Mexican teams at least, plus expansion in the USA would end plus potentially some MLS teams wouldn’t make the cut, plus that would harm USL because there would be no more room for expansion up to the North American League. So it really isn’t feasible unless MLS were to cave on their number one worst fear, pro/rel.

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8 hours ago, SpursFlu said:

My thought on more teams in Champions League is creating more of what the mls liga owners are looking for but keeping it within the Continental structure and including other members like the CPL. 

It would still require US fans and teams to care about the CONCACAF Champions League, which they really don't in most markets.

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3 hours ago, Kent said:

This won’t happen. It would require promotion and relegation to work, and MLS won’t agree to that.

Without pro/rel they would have to leave out the 2nd tier Mexican teams at least, plus expansion in the USA would end plus potentially some MLS teams wouldn’t make the cut, plus that would harm USL because there would be no more room for expansion up to the North American League. So it really isn’t feasible unless MLS were to cave on their number one worst fear, pro/rel.

I think Liga MX wouldn't mind closing their system. It is technically closed right now, because there is only one team that can be relegated from Liga MX to Ascenso and even then, they could just pay the clubs in the top 2 leagues to stay in Liga MX. 

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11 hours ago, SpursFlu said:

Concacaf should retaliate by expanding the Champions league to 8 liga MX, 8 MLS teams. 32 teams total with 3 or 4 Canadian teams. A far better alternative

 

Everytime these goofballs try this stuff.. campeonese cup type ideas. The fans reject it

Actually not true. 

The motivation really serves the top clubs, no doubt. And the fans of top clubs would like to see their teams play the other top teams, and not have to get excited about visits from the modest sides in their leagues. Or so the reasoning goes. 

In Europe, this is obvious. And obviously is something that the more powerful clubs have put out there repeatedly. It is also the reason why UEFA has juiced up and enhanced Champions League, Europa League, to keep attempts at a European wide table based league alive. 

If you look at basketball in Europe, Euro League is in fact a rogue league set up by the top clubs in defiance of the regional entity. I suppose that it does enhance both gate and quality of play for teams participating. 

For Mexico, I have no idea how they would decide which 8-10 teams get to play in the stronger league, and which would be in Liga MX. Maybe promotion into it?

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12 hours ago, SpursFlu said:

Little know fact LigaMX tv ratings in the US are higher than NHL, College Basketball, EPL and MLB. The rich pricks who own MLS teams want a piece of that action. Those extra bucks would probably push MLS very close to competing with the big4 euro league on player salaries

There would probably need to be some pro/rel involved to keep the numbers manageable, so that makes me wonder if the main driving force for this would be LigaMX rather than MLS.

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7 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Actually not true. 

The motivation really serves the top clubs, no doubt. And the fans of top clubs would like to see their teams play the other top teams, and not have to get excited about visits from the modest sides in their leagues. Or so the reasoning goes. 

In Europe, this is obvious. And obviously is something that the more powerful clubs have put out there repeatedly. It is also the reason why UEFA has juiced up and enhanced Champions League, Europa League, to keep attempts at a European wide table based league alive. 

If you look at basketball in Europe, Euro League is in fact a rogue league set up by the top clubs in defiance of the regional entity. I suppose that it does enhance both gate and quality of play for teams participating. 

For Mexico, I have no idea how they would decide which 8-10 teams get to play in the stronger league, and which would be in Liga MX. Maybe promotion into it?

Champions League and Europa League brings together the best teams on the planet.

Concacaf champions league brings together people who want to make money with people who can be fooled by their inclusion of the words "champions league."

Europe and NA can't be compared. 

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There is just no way it happens.  Just my opinion of course, but costs would go way up (travel would be crazy), all lesser markets would be left behind (which is the whole rationale for salary caps and single entities), etc.  And its not like Tigres has the drawing power of a European giant - there are lots of people who don't care one iota about Mexican soccer. 

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2 hours ago, Califax said:

Champions League and Europa League brings together the best teams on the planet.

Concacaf champions league brings together people who want to make money with people who can be fooled by their inclusion of the words "champions league."

Europe and NA can't be compared. 

Right, in CONCACAF they do it for the money, and they don't do it for the money in UEFA.

"CONCACAF also has tried to incentivize clubs, particularly Mexico and MLS, starting last year by awarding $1.2 million in prize money: $500,000 to the winner, $300,000 to the runner-up and $200,000 each to the losing semifinalists.

This was in addition to the $40,000 CONCACAF paid to each team per road game, starting in 2008. Zubiria said that money has increased over the years, but said he didn’t know exactly how much."

source: https://www.prosoccerusa.com/mls/concacaf-champions-league-show-signs-of-life/

"As of 2018–19, the fixed amount of prize money paid to the clubs is as follows:[69]

Preliminary qualifying round: €230,000
First qualifying round: €280,000
Second qualifying round: €380,000
Third qualifying round: €480,000 (Only for clubs eliminated from the champions path, since clubs eliminated from the league path qualify directly for the UEFA Europa League group stage and therefore benefit from its distribution system.)
Base fee for group stage: €15,250,000
Group match victory: €2,700,000
Group match draw: €900,000
Round of 16: €9,500,000
Quarter-finals: €10,500,000
Semi-finals: €12,000,000
Losing finalist: €15,000,000
Winning the Final: €19,000,000
This means that at best, a club can earn €82,450,000 of prize money under this structure, not counting shares of the qualifying rounds, play-off round and/or the market pool."

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Champions_League#Prize_money

Seriously, the argument you are using to deride the CCL can be easily applied to the CPL and Canadian soccer in general. CPL and Canadian soccer aren't the best, so we should all just watch Brazil and Germany play, or La Liga, EPL, etc.

CCL, CPL, and the CMNT are not the best, but they are OURS! It's our local soccer and there is no shame in watching it.

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