Raven Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Not even sure where to put this...MLS, CPL, Other Leagues... "The president of the Mexican top flight says the three North American nations set to host the 2026 World Cup could form a unified domestic league following the quadrennial event." https://www.thescore.com/fmf_ap/news/1625805 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HfxCeltic Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Doubt FIFA would allow it, but that would be interesting to watch unfold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Hell no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex D Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 We already have a diminished voice as "parteners" in the MLS. This would be a joke for Canadian soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Concacaf should retaliate by expanding the Champions league to 8 liga MX, 8 MLS teams. 32 teams total with 3 or 4 Canadian teams. A far better alternative Everytime these goofballs try this stuff.. campeonese cup type ideas. The fans reject it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Well if our 3 MLS sides aren’t going to join CPL they may as well join this potential 3 nation league, which would obviously be a higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califax Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I look forward to Halifax taking a weeknight flight to the Monterrey. Can I be honest? Neither one of those two countries really has anything to offer us at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex D Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I understand why MLS would see $$$ but wouldnt this just let Mexico cannibalize the football market in America even more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Little know fact LigaMX tv ratings in the US are higher than NHL, College Basketball, EPL and MLB. The rich pricks who own MLS teams want a piece of that action. Those extra bucks would probably push MLS very close to competing with the big4 euro league on player salaries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, SpursFlu said: Little know fact LigaMX tv ratings in the US are higher than NHL, College Basketball, EPL and MLB. The rich pricks who own MLS teams want a piece of that action I doubt CONCACAF goes for it. Their Champions League would mean even less than it already does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 45 minutes ago, SpursFlu said: Concacaf should retaliate by expanding the Champions league to 8 liga MX, 8 MLS teams. 32 teams total with 3 or 4 Canadian teams. A far better alternative Everytime these goofballs try this stuff.. campeonese cup type ideas. The fans reject it I don't understand what this would accomplish. "Retaliate" means you think CONCACAF don't want this Liga MX/MLS merger to happen (if you think he was also thinking of CPL, you are fooling yourself). So then that must mean you think giving those leagues double the representatives in CCL is some sort of punishment? It would also leave CONCACAF Champions League with 16 teams (half the competition in your proposal) from the same league. Why would CONCACAF want to do that to themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 They won't. Would make the region more of a joke than it already is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 One big nothing burger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 It would create a domino effect that would crumble the entire football global structure. Big private money is already trying to create a euro super league. A liga MX/MLS league would swallow every league in the Americas outside of the Brasilairo and maybe Argentina The Confederations would have little leverage and become irrelevant My thought on more teams in Champions League is creating more of what the mls liga owners are looking for but keeping it within the Continental structure and including other members like the CPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ams1984 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 This is a stupid idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 This won’t happen. It would require promotion and relegation to work, and MLS won’t agree to that. Without pro/rel they would have to leave out the 2nd tier Mexican teams at least, plus expansion in the USA would end plus potentially some MLS teams wouldn’t make the cut, plus that would harm USL because there would be no more room for expansion up to the North American League. So it really isn’t feasible unless MLS were to cave on their number one worst fear, pro/rel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 8 hours ago, SpursFlu said: My thought on more teams in Champions League is creating more of what the mls liga owners are looking for but keeping it within the Continental structure and including other members like the CPL. It would still require US fans and teams to care about the CONCACAF Champions League, which they really don't in most markets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 hours ago, Kent said: This won’t happen. It would require promotion and relegation to work, and MLS won’t agree to that. Without pro/rel they would have to leave out the 2nd tier Mexican teams at least, plus expansion in the USA would end plus potentially some MLS teams wouldn’t make the cut, plus that would harm USL because there would be no more room for expansion up to the North American League. So it really isn’t feasible unless MLS were to cave on their number one worst fear, pro/rel. I think Liga MX wouldn't mind closing their system. It is technically closed right now, because there is only one team that can be relegated from Liga MX to Ascenso and even then, they could just pay the clubs in the top 2 leagues to stay in Liga MX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 11 hours ago, SpursFlu said: Concacaf should retaliate by expanding the Champions league to 8 liga MX, 8 MLS teams. 32 teams total with 3 or 4 Canadian teams. A far better alternative Everytime these goofballs try this stuff.. campeonese cup type ideas. The fans reject it Actually not true. The motivation really serves the top clubs, no doubt. And the fans of top clubs would like to see their teams play the other top teams, and not have to get excited about visits from the modest sides in their leagues. Or so the reasoning goes. In Europe, this is obvious. And obviously is something that the more powerful clubs have put out there repeatedly. It is also the reason why UEFA has juiced up and enhanced Champions League, Europa League, to keep attempts at a European wide table based league alive. If you look at basketball in Europe, Euro League is in fact a rogue league set up by the top clubs in defiance of the regional entity. I suppose that it does enhance both gate and quality of play for teams participating. For Mexico, I have no idea how they would decide which 8-10 teams get to play in the stronger league, and which would be in Liga MX. Maybe promotion into it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 12 hours ago, SpursFlu said: Little know fact LigaMX tv ratings in the US are higher than NHL, College Basketball, EPL and MLB. The rich pricks who own MLS teams want a piece of that action. Those extra bucks would probably push MLS very close to competing with the big4 euro league on player salaries There would probably need to be some pro/rel involved to keep the numbers manageable, so that makes me wonder if the main driving force for this would be LigaMX rather than MLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califax Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 7 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Actually not true. The motivation really serves the top clubs, no doubt. And the fans of top clubs would like to see their teams play the other top teams, and not have to get excited about visits from the modest sides in their leagues. Or so the reasoning goes. In Europe, this is obvious. And obviously is something that the more powerful clubs have put out there repeatedly. It is also the reason why UEFA has juiced up and enhanced Champions League, Europa League, to keep attempts at a European wide table based league alive. If you look at basketball in Europe, Euro League is in fact a rogue league set up by the top clubs in defiance of the regional entity. I suppose that it does enhance both gate and quality of play for teams participating. For Mexico, I have no idea how they would decide which 8-10 teams get to play in the stronger league, and which would be in Liga MX. Maybe promotion into it? Champions League and Europa League brings together the best teams on the planet. Concacaf champions league brings together people who want to make money with people who can be fooled by their inclusion of the words "champions league." Europe and NA can't be compared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Like I said, FIFA and CONCACAF won't let it happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 There is just no way it happens. Just my opinion of course, but costs would go way up (travel would be crazy), all lesser markets would be left behind (which is the whole rationale for salary caps and single entities), etc. And its not like Tigres has the drawing power of a European giant - there are lots of people who don't care one iota about Mexican soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Califax said: Champions League and Europa League brings together the best teams on the planet. Concacaf champions league brings together people who want to make money with people who can be fooled by their inclusion of the words "champions league." Europe and NA can't be compared. Right, in CONCACAF they do it for the money, and they don't do it for the money in UEFA. "CONCACAF also has tried to incentivize clubs, particularly Mexico and MLS, starting last year by awarding $1.2 million in prize money: $500,000 to the winner, $300,000 to the runner-up and $200,000 each to the losing semifinalists. This was in addition to the $40,000 CONCACAF paid to each team per road game, starting in 2008. Zubiria said that money has increased over the years, but said he didn’t know exactly how much." source: https://www.prosoccerusa.com/mls/concacaf-champions-league-show-signs-of-life/ "As of 2018–19, the fixed amount of prize money paid to the clubs is as follows:[69] Preliminary qualifying round: €230,000 First qualifying round: €280,000 Second qualifying round: €380,000 Third qualifying round: €480,000 (Only for clubs eliminated from the champions path, since clubs eliminated from the league path qualify directly for the UEFA Europa League group stage and therefore benefit from its distribution system.) Base fee for group stage: €15,250,000 Group match victory: €2,700,000 Group match draw: €900,000 Round of 16: €9,500,000 Quarter-finals: €10,500,000 Semi-finals: €12,000,000 Losing finalist: €15,000,000 Winning the Final: €19,000,000 This means that at best, a club can earn €82,450,000 of prize money under this structure, not counting shares of the qualifying rounds, play-off round and/or the market pool." source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Champions_League#Prize_money Seriously, the argument you are using to deride the CCL can be easily applied to the CPL and Canadian soccer in general. CPL and Canadian soccer aren't the best, so we should all just watch Brazil and Germany play, or La Liga, EPL, etc. CCL, CPL, and the CMNT are not the best, but they are OURS! It's our local soccer and there is no shame in watching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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