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14 hours ago, Yohan said:

I don't disagree.

But in order to be considered a 'legitimate' continental championship, you gotta have more competitive teams.

As for hosting, I suppose they can try to spread out the hosting to several countries per tourney, but it cost a lot of money to build the infrastructure that's good enough to host Gold Cup in most CONCACAF nations.

Yes, the teams should be more competitive, and the competition itself should be more fair to the weaker teams, not catering to the US by letting them host the thing every year.

Mexico could host it easily.  More importantly, we could host it on our own, and with our WC hosting aspirations, I would hope that the new gaffer would agree that hosting the Gold Cup would be a good test.  

You probably know more about this than I do, so I'll ask:  How many stadia, and at what size, do you think would be the minimum required?   

If the Gold Cup went to every four years, and the next one was in Canada, and the one after that were in Mexico, that would give a country like Costa Rica eight years to prepare.   Or, how about some combination involving Costa Rica, El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala hosting?  

With the knowledge that they'd be hosting, they'd have to step up their game.  Isn't making things more fair, with a more level playing field better for developing the game in the smaller countries rather than just handing it to the yanks every time?

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2 hours ago, SuperCanuck said:

No, it's still run as a mickey mouse tournament.  It's hosted almost exclusively by one country and held every two years to stretch the smaller teams beyond their capabilities, which caters to the US and Mexico.  

That actually makes Canada's win an even bigger achievement than you're giving them credit for.

If you still want to argue, please find someone else.

Thank you

Well that was a mickey mouse response if there ever was one!!:D

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If the joint Copa America with CONMEBOL and CONCACAF does become a regular thing I want to see a proper home and away qualification format used to determine entry rather than using the gold cup for a couple of reasons. 

1) We already go years without meaningful matches.  It gets tiresome when every international break is just a meaningless friendly waiting years until the next world cup cycle begins again.

2) The qualification system for 2016 was blatantly unfair.  Aside from the obvious that USA and Mexico didn't even have to qualify at all, the Central American and Caribbean teams had two avenues to qualify (winning their regional championships) while we only had one.

 

As for the changes to the Gold Cup, Victor has stated he'd like to see some of the doubleheaders held outside the US just like what happened at BMO Field in 2015 but stopped short of moving the entire tournament.  He has to balance the financial realities of the situation and I can understand that.   

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6 hours ago, SuperCanuck said:

Yes, the teams should be more competitive, and the competition itself should be more fair to the weaker teams, not catering to the US by letting them host the thing every year.

Mexico could host it easily.  More importantly, we could host it on our own, and with our WC hosting aspirations, I would hope that the new gaffer would agree that hosting the Gold Cup would be a good test.  

You probably know more about this than I do, so I'll ask:  How many stadia, and at what size, do you think would be the minimum required?   

If the Gold Cup went to every four years, and the next one was in Canada, and the one after that were in Mexico, that would give a country like Costa Rica eight years to prepare.   Or, how about some combination involving Costa Rica, El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala hosting?  

With the knowledge that they'd be hosting, they'd have to step up their game.  Isn't making things more fair, with a more level playing field better for developing the game in the smaller countries rather than just handing it to the yanks every time?

For Gold Cup 2015, 14 venues used for 3 groups of 4 teams for 12 nations.

Just pulling this out of my ass, but I'd say 2x 40k stadiums and 4x 20k and 2x 30k stadiums should suffice?

It'll have to be a multi nation host if it's in CA or Caribbean. Plus huge upgrade in infrastructure. Most stadiums just don't cut it for a major tourney in CA/Caribbean. Hotels, transportation, hospitality, etc.

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14 hours ago, Free kick said:

Your right about Bocce.  Its a clean sport.   Whereas just about every other sport, has been tainted by performance enhancing drug stories.   Here is hoping that they dont start testing for espresso levels in the bloodstream. 

:)

 

Jason would be worse then Platini...

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Why not "Senior Gold Cup" every four years timed a year before Men's World Cup Qualifications, and an "Olympic ( U23) Gold Cup" every four years timed a year before Olympic Qualifying.

This gives younger emerging u23 players more exposure every 2 years...

So a cycle would be ...

2014 World Cup/U23 Gold Cup

2015 U23 Olympic Qualifiers/ Senior friendlies

2016 Olympics /Senior Gold Cup

2017 Senior Word Cup Qualifiers / U23 Friendlies

2018 World Cup/U23 Gold Cup

CONCACAF should organize a CONCACAF national team league, for Countries not capable of supporting a fully professional domestic league, the league could satisfy the needs of Caribbean ( and perhaps Canada, Belize Guyana, Surinam etc) to have meaningful games for National teams with players not signed to club professional contracts. 

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On 5/25/2016 at 1:13 PM, masster said:

Montagliani radio interview from today:
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/vancouver-1040-i-1410/montagliani-need-to-improve-competitiveness-of-concacaf-nations-1.495627

An expanded Copa would be great too.  Obviously the logistics would need to be worked out, but it's the kind of tournament that the more mainstream media would probably be more interested in following, as opposed to the Gold Cup.  And quite frankly, the US and Mexico need it too, because they need to test themselves at a higher level more than once every 4 years at the World Cup or in meaningless friendlies.

Talk to CONMEBOL about expanding the regular Copa to 16 teams (6 from CONCACAF), and then go with a Gold Cup every 4 years.  Smaller teams would benefit from the Gold Cup, while the larger and mid-tier teams would benefit from the Copa. Works for everyone.

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A Unified COPA for the America's would be ideal but should not just be played in USA. This would be great to see this tournament two years after World Cup and would help push a lot of teams in CONCACAF. Which in turn would help Canada also possibly retaining more players on the edge of leaving and whatnot. This tournament has been fun to watch and wish Canada was part of it even if they don't win a game because this would of pushed CMNT to get better. 

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I assume the rumour about it always in the USA is complete garbage. It would be a dream for Canada to make a future combined Copa America hosted in Argentina or Chile or other SA country with crowds of Canadians, Mexicans, USAians and other South Americans in the major cities in an atmosphere like we see in France at the moment. 

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CONCACAF and CONMEBOL combining would be ideal and would also be fantastic. Think of 2018 World Cup / 2020 Copa Americas / 2022 World Cup / 2024 Copa Americas and so on. No more Gold Cup which is barely followed and no more 12 team Copa America with invites. No more tournaments every single summer for Bradley and USA. The tournament would feature 16 teams and almost be as competitive as the Euro Cup and would be very fun to watch. Not to mention 45 team qualifying format to get 16 spots would be pretty competitive and meaningful and Canada has a decent chance to qualify. Then for World Cup qualifying, still similar format just 8 entries

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26 June 2016 GMT: 01:22

Montagliani, Gulati and Infantino manoeuvre Caribbean into submission

24th June 2016Infantino and John-Williams

By Paul Nicholson

June 24 – Manipulation of football administration in the Caribbean is nothing new. But in a region desperate to shake off the long shadows of former presidents Jack Warner and Jeff Webb, the old ways of operating seem to be alive and kicking. They may have even taken a turn for the worse with regional confederation CONCACAF stepping into the game with the support of FIFA and its new president Gianni Infantino.

It is a new move in a powerplay that again questions the integrity of football’s regional and global governing bodies and the personal motivations and favours of their leading executives – in this case Infantino at the top of the FIFA tree, newly elected CONCACAF president Victor Montagliani and US Soccer Federation president and FIFA council member Sunil Gulati.

While Montagliani and Gulati will sit down this afternoon at a glitzy press conference in Times Square, New York, to doubtless bang the drum for their successful hosting of the Copa America Centenario, 31 of their CONCACAF member associations in the Caribbean will be wondering what the football future really holds for them and whether it is a bright one or in reality a removal from decision-making power and a consignment to the dustbin of world football and its development.

The controversy and battle for control of the Caribbean has been running for some months. The next steps in what looks like a ‘RICO-style’ conspiracy to remove control of Caribbean football from the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), the regional sub-body, were taken in Trinidad last weekend when 17 member association presidents met under the auspices of establishing a new Caribbean professional league.

The meeting took place via the financial provision of CONCACAF, FIFA and UEFA, though UEFA say they provided no money and have no commitment to getting involved in Caribbean football politics.

Organised by Trinidad and Tobago football’s new president David John-Williams (pictured with Infantino), the invitations failed to extend to CFU president Gordon Derrick or general secretary Neil Cochrane. Though CONCACAF did have two observers at the meeting.

That John-Williams was even mandated to host the meeting is controversial in itself in that it is becoming evident that his election to the Trinidad and Tobago presidency broke election rules, and that FIFA knew rules were being broken but chose not to intervene.

Trinidad journalist Lasana Liburd wrote on this issue and his story gives full background at http://wired868.com/2016/06/24/djw-unplugged-an-illegal-ttfa-election-tacit-fifa-support-and-a-cfu-power-grab/

Trinidad’s John-Williams was a supporter of Infantino in the presidential elections in February and had surprised his Caribbean colleagues by declaring for him in Miami at a CFU meeting in January, a meeting that was convened to discuss CONCACAF and FIFA’s reform proposals and the candidates for the presidency.

Now it appears Infantino is making good on promises made to John-Williams to support his personal ambitions as the Trinidadian prepares for what has become a widely expected bid for the CFU presidency. A bid that is being supported centrally by CONCACAF and its North American rulers.

Infantino announced just 4 weeks ago at the FIFA Congress in Mexico that FIFA would be working through its confederations and sub-federations and providing $1 million of financial support annually to bodies like the CFU. A promise that is looking very hollow in the case of the Caribbean in light of the FIFA ad CONCACAF sponsored political manoeuvring that is currently taking place.

That Caribbean football would be enhanced by a competitive professional league is in no doubt. It is a project that has had a number of planning attempts, most recently by CONCACAF under Jeff Webb in 2014 when a task force was formed.

To attempt to organise that league outside the auspices of the CFU but with CONCACAF money that, in terms of governance protocol should have been funnelled through the CFU, raises serious questions about CONCACAF’s own reform and the integrity of its officers and president Montagliani. Montagliani was a member Francois Carrard’s FIFA reform committee, as well as a member of CONCACAF’s own reform body.

To not even invite the CFU to be part of the discussion borders on the unbelievable. More so when taking into account this brave new world of global football reform that CONCACAF, and Montagliani and Gulati in particular, have worked so hard to impress on the world’s media that they are in the vanguard of.

The answer to why the CFU has been excluded seems to lie in the north American (and US in principal) desire to get control of the CFU member association votes for their own political objectives. The Caribbean votes have often been king makers in FIFA elections in the past and while that block has now been split, it would be a powerful block to control in the future.

For the north Americans to take that control they need to replace current CFU president Gordon Derrick with their own man – in this case John-Williams.

In the recently completed CONCACAF elections Derrick was removed from the presidential race by FIFA who said that he had failed their integrity check. A highly dubious decision that FIFA was unwilling to explain though speculation at the time was that it was a decision made at the bidding of CONCACAF’s executive members and legal consultant Samir Gandhi. Speculation that has of course been denied.

Following the Trinidad meetings rumours have been circulating, emanating from attendees, that a similar move is being prepared by CONCACAF and FIFA to have Derrick removed from standing again for the CFU presidency. This would clear the way for a complete fracturing of Caribbean solidarity.

Ironically Derrick was a member of CONCACAF’s reform committee and in large part responsible for getting CFU members to agree to the reform proposals. Without that Caribbean support the proposals would never have been passed. But, frankly, the way the reform has been politically implemented subsequently makes a mockery of those reforms in the first instance.

The proposals put before the member associations at the Trinidad meeting outline a 14-team league with a three-year target revenue figure of $65 million, of which $18 million would be targeted to come as seed investment from FIFA.

In an increasingly politically charged Caribbean football world, associations will have to work out who is fooling who in this battle for power, whether financial promises are real and can be substantiated, and whether individual gain is greater than regional solidarity. Ultimately it is a battle for football sovereignty in the Caribbean associations.

http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2016/06/24/montagliani-gulati-infantino-manoeuvre-caribbean-submission/

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He might have a Caribbean mutiny on his hands.

The Caribbean Football Union, who represent 31 of CONCACAF's 41 national associations, are considering breaking away and forming a seventh FIFA confederation.

They see this as a way of improving their TV revenues, which have been squeezed by three successive CONCACAF presidents from Caribbean countries facing numerous corruption charges that include allegedly helping themselves to the region's TV rights money.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4106768/FIFA-lost-10-000-watches-six-timepieces-went-missing.html#ixzz4VPQJENmU
 

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Even though Vic was unopposed it's telling that nobody ran against him.  I think the Caribbean nations that control the vote clearly see this guy is doing good things for them.  Expanding the Gold Cup and creating the Nations League has expanded the horizons of Caribbean football far more than Jack Warner and Jeffrey Webb ever did.  Jason Roberts' opening speech last night dwelling on the fact he only got 12 caps for Grenada due to lack of playing opportunities just about sums it up.

 

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