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06.5.2009 - BMO Field - TFC - Whitecaps

13.5.2009 - BMO Field - TFC - Impact

20.5.2009 - Stade Saputo - Impact - Whitecaps

27.5.2009 - Swangard - Whitecaps - Impact

02.6.2009 - Swangard - Whitecaps - TFC

17.6.2009 - Stade Saputo - Impact - TFC

Pick a winner and score. I'll keep score. Winner gets a free trip to watch all of Canada's games in South Africa 2010. Or bragging rights. One of the two anyway.

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I'll start:

06.5.2009 - BMO Field - TFC 2 - Whitecaps 0

13.5.2009 - BMO Field - TFC 2 - Impact 0

20.5.2009 - Stade Saputo - Impact 1 - Whitecaps 0

27.5.2009 - Swangard - Whitecaps 1 - Impact 1

02.6.2009 - Swangard - Whitecaps 1 - TFC 1

17.6.2009 - Stade Saputo - Impact 0 - TFC 3

Final:

TFC 3-1-0 (8-1 +7) 10 pts

Mtr 1-1-2 (2-6 -2) 4 pts

Van 0-1-3 (2-5 -3) 1 Pts

Montreal goes into the final game needing to win by three. They open it up and are burnt. The tournament is essentially determined after the first two games.

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06.5.2009 - BMO Field - TFC 2 - Whitecaps 1

13.5.2009 - BMO Field - TFC 0 - Impact 0

20.5.2009 - Stade Saputo - Impact 1 - Whitecaps 0

27.5.2009 - Swangard - Whitecaps 1 - Impact 1

02.6.2009 - Swangard - Whitecaps 1 - TFC 1

17.6.2009 - Stade Saputo - Impact 2 - TFC 1

Impact 2-2-0 (4-2 +2) 8pts

TFC 1-2-1 (4-4 0) 5pts

Van 0-2-2 (3-5 -2) 2pts

Home field advantage for the final match will pay off for the Impact and they will win their 8th V-cup.

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06.5.2009 - BMO Field - TFC 0 - Whitecaps 0

13.5.2009 - BMO Field - TFC 1 - Impact 1

20.5.2009 - Stade Saputo - Impact 2 - Whitecaps 2

27.5.2009 - Swangard - Whitecaps 3 - Impact 1

02.6.2009 - Swangard - Whitecaps 2 - TFC 0

17.6.2009 - Stade Saputo - Impact 2 - TFC 1

Final Standings

Vancouver 2-0-2 8PTS

Montreal 1-1-2 5PTS

Toronto 0-2-2 2PTS

Dare to Dream!

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06.5.2009 - BMO Field - TFC 1 - Whitecaps 0

13.5.2009 - BMO Field - TFC 1 - Impact 1

20.5.2009 - Stade Saputo - Impact 1 - Whitecaps 0

27.5.2009 - Swangard - Whitecaps 2 - Impact 2

02.6.2009 - Swangard - Whitecaps 0 - TFC 0

17.6.2009 - Stade Saputo - Impact 2 - TFC 1

Final Standings

Montreal 2-2-0 8pts

Toronto 1-2-1 5pts

Vancouver 0-2-2 2pts

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06.5.2009 - BMO Field - TFC 2 - Whitecaps 1

13.5.2009 - BMO Field - TFC 2 - Impact 2

20.5.2009 - Stade Saputo - Impact 3 - Whitecaps 2

27.5.2009 - Swangard - Whitecaps 2 - Impact 1

02.6.2009 - Swangard - Whitecaps 2 - TFC 3

17.6.2009 - Stade Saputo - Impact 2 - TFC 2

Final:

TFC 2-0-2 (9-7 +2) 8 pts

Mtr 1-1-2 (8-8 -0) 5 pts

Van 1-3-0 (7-9 -2) 3 Pts

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Hmmm. Tricky. Hard to imagine Toronto not hoisting the Cup this year with the improvements they've made. That and this whole CONCACRAP Champions League run by the Impact is a wound in their pride which has been oozing all winter.

Not a lot of hope for the 'Caps so far (and they're the ones who sunk TFC last year!). Still, for it all I think it's going to be close again this year.

06.5.2009 - BMO Field - TFC-3 - Whitecaps-nil

13.5.2009 - BMO Field - TFC-1 - Impact-1

20.5.2009 - Stade Saputo - Impact-2 - Whitecaps-1

27.5.2009 - Swangard - Whitecaps-1 - Impact-nil

02.6.2009 - Swangard - Whitecaps-2 - TFC-2

17.6.2009 - Stade Saputo - Impact-2 - TFC-2

Toronto 2W 2D 0L 8pts

Montreal 1W 2D 1L 5pts

Vancouver 1W 1D 2L 4pts

TFC returns the favour by going to Montreal and winning the Vs Cup in the last match.

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quote:Originally posted by SthMelbRed

There seems to be a lot of cockiness about the chances of the only professional club in Canada to win f*ck all last year. It seems that Toronto supporters have very short memories.

So far people from MTL have MTL winning the whole thing, people from Toronto have TFC winning and the only guy from Vancouver has the Whitecaps winning. The 2 posters from the ROC have TFC. I will join them, I think TFC will win this year but it won't be easy...

06.5.2009 - BMO Field - TFC 2-0 Whitecaps

13.5.2009 - BMO Field - TFC 1-1 Impact

20.5.2009 - Stade Saputo - Impact 2-1 Whitecaps

27.5.2009 - Swangard - Whitecaps 1-1 Impact

02.6.2009 - Swangard - Whitecaps 1-1 TFC

17.6.2009 - Stade Saputo - Impact 0-1 TFC

TFC 2-0-2 8pts

MTL 1-1-2 5 pts

VAN 0-2-2 2 pts

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06.5.2009 - BMO Field - TFC 1 - Whitecaps 1

13.5.2009 - BMO Field - TFC 2 - Impact 2

20.5.2009 - Stade Saputo - Impact 1 - Whitecaps 1

27.5.2009 - Swangard - Whitecaps 3 - Impact 3

02.6.2009 - Swangard - Whitecaps 1 - TFC 1

17.6.2009 - Stade Saputo - Impact 3 - TFC 0

Final:

Mtr 1-0-3 (9-6 +3) 6 pts

Van 0-0-4 (6-6 0) 4 Pts

TFC 0-1-3 (4-7 -3) 3 pts

Lots of scoring and lots of tie results, but in the end Montreal thumps TFC in Montreal!

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06.5.2009 - BMO Field - TFC-2 - Whitecaps-0

13.5.2009 - BMO Field - TFC-0 - Impact-0

20.5.2009 - Stade Saputo - Impact-1 - Whitecaps-0

27.5.2009 - Swangard - Whitecaps-1 - Impact-3

02.6.2009 - Swangard - Whitecaps-1 - TFC-1

17.6.2009 - Stade Saputo - Impact-1 - TFC-1

Montreal 2W 2D 0L 8pts

Toronto 1W 3D 0L 7pts

Vancouver 0W 1D 3L 1pt

Woah mine turned out harsh on Vancouver, but hopefully it's actually closer than that!

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quote:Originally posted by SthMelbRed

There seems to be a lot of cockiness about the chances of the only professional club in Canada to win f*ck all last year. It seems that Toronto supporters have very short memories.

Barnsley went to the FA Cup semi-final in 2008. How much money would you have put on it happening in 2009?

The one place where USL teams can sometimes grab an advantage is depth. MLS' small roster size means that they are vulnerable to injuries. So the early start date is an advantage for TFC.

Very few people -- even people in Montreal -- will argue that the USL teams have better starters than TFC -- unless you think you can find Marvell Wynne, Amado Guevara, DeRo, Carl Robinson...etc in the USL. If it's starting XI v starting XI, any reasonable evaluation has to make TFC the favourite.

MLS will be a month into the season when the tournament starts - advantage TFC over Vancouver.

Remember that Toronto didn't actually lose a game to Montreal last year. Is it really that much of a stretch to say that they are *at least* equal this year?

TFC's problem in the tournament last year was that it did not convert in the final third. In the second half of the July 1 game (were the tournament was really lost) Toronto probably had 10 point blank scoring chances. If they have addressed that problem (and they have added Barrett, DeRo and Vitti into the mix since then) then I don't think it's possible to argue that they shouldn't be the favourite.

Clearly upsets can happen. But, if it does it will still be an upset.

Why don't you break down the line-ups and tell me why Montreal or Vancouver should be the favourite.

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quote:Originally posted by SthMelbRed

There seems to be a lot of cockiness about the chances of the only professional club in Canada to win f*ck all last year. It seems that Toronto supporters have very short memories.

I picked TFC but I'm still hoping for my Caps to pull off the upset, several upsets.

With all their additions and especially the signing of Adrian I'm seriously concerned. Last year Brennan was gung ho but a lot of the others were floating. With a larger Canadian contingent this year and Dicio saying he "wants to win something" I can see all TFC players being a lot more involved and into the Voyageurs Cup this year.

Like last year the TFC are the team to beat and like last year yes they can be beat.

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quote:Originally posted by SthMelbRed

There seems to be a lot of cockiness about the chances of the only professional club in Canada to win f*ck all last year. It seems that Toronto supporters have very short memories.

How did you come to this conclusion based on the posts above yours?

For myself, I will wait a little while to post predictions. TFC and Vancouver's rosters are not yet set.

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looking at the scorelines last year, things were extremely close. So the best USL teams were about on par with the worst (or almost worst) MLS team.

Montreal couldn't beat TFC... the last game they played probably should have been TFC's win based on the run of play, particularly in the second half. I was sitting in the North end at BMO and nearly got a sore neck looking down to the south end for 45 minutes as TFC got chance after chance... (too bad TFC fans had to watch Jeff Cunningham blow a sitter). The game TFC played in Vancouver saw some of the finest TFC play in the Voyageurs Cup (Rohan Ricketts was particularly dominating).. but a stupid mistake by a midfielder playing defense (Edu) led to a tie, not a win. Let's not forget Vancouver's win against TFC was founded on a debatable penalty kick call. These are very close results.

So while Montreal did indeed win on points, it could have easily gone the other way. I think Montreal has to worry about Vancouver the most -- beating Vancouver twice was their way into the Champions League. I bet Vancouver will be gunning to make sure that doesn't happen again.

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Guest Jeffery S.

Since Vancouver is clearly rebuilding and the games come relatively early in our season, I don't think we are a good bet. Too bad because I'd love to go to watch a team from Haiti or Panama or something in the preliminary round of the Concacaf Champions this summer. But I think that the Caps will not get into a groove until well into the season, too many young players, changes, and the obvious rebuilding program.

Montreal has the advantage of having started early, but could get a long break if Santos takes them out, almost two months worth. Not so great for them. And I have to admit that in spite of the draw at Swangard last year TFC was the most talented side, they just did not play to their potential.

Meaning I am leaning towards, you guessed it...

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Toronto 4 Vancouver 0

Toronto 2 Montreal 0

Montreal 2 Vancouver 1

Vancouver 2 Montreal 2

Vancouver 1 Toronto 3

Montreal 0 Toronto 2

Toronto 4-0-0 12 pts (+10)

Montreal 1-1-2 4 pts (-3)

Vancouver 0-1-3 1 pts (-7)

I think TFC has improved too much up front and in the midfield to not walk over the other two.

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