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Canada and the 2024 Copa America


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On 4/12/2024 at 3:09 PM, Obinna said:

I have watched enough of Charlie Davies to not be surprised. He always seems to be negative on Canada relative to Jimmy and Heath (not sure if he's still podcasting with them). He's talked about Canada teams he's faced in the past (as a player) and on one occassion he said (thinking back to his playing days) "These guys have nothing". 

That's a shit way to analyze the current strengths of a team. "They were crap when I played them 15 years ago so they must be the same now."

 

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3 hours ago, RS said:

That's a shit way to analyze the current strengths of a team. "They were crap when I played them 15 years ago so they must be the same now."

 

When I say view I mean his general attitude and not his analysis. As an analyst he is fine. Charlie rightly gave us our due during and after our qualifying run and was a big fan of what we were doing under Herdman. He backed us to make noise at the World Cup, if I recall correctly.

BUT now that Herdman is gone I am not surprised to see him not give us the benefit of the doubt, let's put it that way. I think he was slow to warm up to us and quick to cool down, if that makes sense.

And to be fair we haven't helped our cause lately, but we have a big chance to turn it around this summer.

Edit - It's kind of like Craig Burley and his attitude towards the USMNT. It seems like (for whatever reason) the fanbase gets under his skin and that's reflected in his general attitude, but his actual analysis is spot on. 

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20 hours ago, gigi riva said:

I was watching the World Cup opening game of Italia 90  Argentina v Cameroon  on FIFA+ late last night  . First of all what a rough game it was , at the same time it was not boring either. As we know Cameroon pulled off the massive upset  at the the time the biggest upset in World Cup history . I was trying to draw comparisions between that team and what Canada is going through now. There confedration much like ours is was in shambles and ther team much like ours was trying to find its identity and had some okay results  prior to the tournament starting . I guess I am dreaming but 34  later I would love to see us come up with a massive result  against Argentina . Oh well a guy can dream I guess

I remember watching that game live and Cameroon's game plan was obvious. Foul Maradona every time he touches the ball! Hey, I guess it worked.

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19 minutes ago, johnyb said:

I remember watching that game live and Cameroon's game plan was obvious. Foul Maradona every time he touches the ball! Hey, I guess it worked.

Bilardo knew they were agressive and dribblers,  he thought the french referee would stop the nasty tackling,  Cannigia and Balbo were kicked for fun.   

Good game they had 3 or 2 sent off

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This isn't the priority for the Copa, but I started thinking about players who went to the World Cup and didn't see the field.  Wondering how many of them are a) in the Copa squad, and b) see the field this time.

Now, to be clear, I'm not saying you go the whole "brotherhood" angle again.  But still, it would kind of suck to go to two major tournaments and not see the field and it can't be great for team harmony if that happens.

Not counting goalies (which admittedly is a bit trickier), I think Ugbo and Cornelius are likely to be at the Copa and see the field, Piette and Fraser are a maybe, and Waterman could easily be both not there and not play if he is.  Am I missing anyone?

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Few changes I would make at this time:

Striker: I would drop Ugbo for one of Bair, Tani, or JRR. The Crew youngster should have the inside track based on recent selections, I imagine.

LCB starter: I want to see Cornelius over Miller. I know the selection from Josh was built on the premise of a 3-5-2, for which he slots Derek in the middle, but still...

 

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5 hours ago, Obinna said:

Few changes I would make at this time:

Striker: I would drop Ugbo for one of Bair, Tani, or JRR. The Crew youngster should have the inside track based on recent selections, I imagine.

LCB starter: I want to see Cornelius over Miller. I know the selection from Josh was built on the premise of a 3-5-2, for which he slots Derek in the middle, but still...

 

I would drop Ugbo for Bair because the roll Bair has been on, you have to take him to Copa America 

Cornelius over Miller...I mean I can agree with that but I still think Miller would make the squad but he is better off the bench

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14 hours ago, Joe MacCarthy said:

 

I'm assuming he recorded this a while ago?

Adekugbe is hurt, Waterman has been very poor this year.  Ugbo as the 2nd choice striker?  Johnston over Bombito?  Miller over Cornelius?  2 attacking mids vs Argentina is bold to say the least.

 

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28 minutes ago, costarg said:

I'm assuming he recorded this a while ago?

Adekugbe is hurt, Waterman has been very poor this year.  Ugbo as the 2nd choice striker?  Johnston over Bombito?  Miller over Cornelius?  2 attacking mids vs Argentina is bold to say the least.

 

Goes to show, even if you get paid for them, opinions are  just that at the end of the day.

Trigger warnings😉.

Despite it being not the deepest position three midfielders are a must. Piette/Choiniere being the third. Allows whatever the front is to press hard, which I think is key for us.  Where we might actually have an advantage.

We are not sure how hurt Adekugbe is. Alot depends on that, but that said, not sure a lot of his limited minutes so far this have been as an a left back. Have they? 

With Davies not looking great there, it is a weak position currently.  Maybe Miller or Millar even, if you want to allow Davies to press and actually show his offence.

With Buchanan being drilled as a wingback, maybe the smartest would be play with those.  Maybe invert them.

If you are worried about getting done for pace or over the top, maybe you try Cornelius/Bombito/Johnston 

If you are worried about being broken down or aerial threats from final third workups, maybe Miller/Cornelius/Bombito. Maybe switch the left 2.

I have a feeling we with see Miller, if we go with 4 at the back.  Something I would like to avoid.  

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43 minutes ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said:

Goes to show, even if you get paid for them, opinions are  just that at the end of the day.

Trigger warnings😉.

Despite it being not the deepest position three midfielders are a must. Piette/Choiniere being the third. Allows whatever the front is to press hard, which I think is key for us.  Where we might actually have an advantage.

We are not sure how hurt Adekugbe is. Alot depends on that, but that said, not sure a lot of his limited minutes so far this have been as an a left back. Have they? 

With Davies not looking great there, it is a weak position currently.  Maybe Miller or Millar even, if you want to allow Davies to press and actually show his offence.

With Buchanan being drilled as a wingback, maybe the smartest would be play with those.  Maybe invert them.

If you are worried about getting done for pace or over the top, maybe you try Cornelius/Bombito/Johnston 

If you are worried about being broken down or aerial threats from final third workups, maybe Miller/Cornelius/Bombito. Maybe switch the left 2.

I have a feeling we with see Miller, if we go with 4 at the back.  Something I would like to avoid.  

All of this makes a lot of sense, no triggers that I can see! 

Only thing I'd like to add is in regards to Millar, he does not belong in the backline.  He's a hard worker, runs a lot, good soccer IQ, but he's not a defender.

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3 hours ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said:

We are not sure how hurt Adekugbe is. Alot depends on that, but that said, not sure a lot of his limited minutes so far this have been as an a left back. Have they? 

No, the Whitecaps have been playing with a back 3. He's had some minutes on the left in the 4 across the midfield, and some minutes up front that felt like them just trying to get him some playing time.

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1 hour ago, narduch said:

The Copa America preliminary rosters were due May 5. Would be interesting to see of they get released 

Sadly, I don't think they will get released.

Chile full out announced their 55 player preliminary squad and there are rumours/leaks about the Mexican 55 player preliminary squad.

Chile also said that they would announce their final squad on June 12th.

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10 hours ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

Sadly, I don't think they will get released.

Chile full out announced their 55 player preliminary squad and there are rumours/leaks about the Mexican 55 player preliminary squad.

Chile also said that they would announce their final squad on June 12th.

The final rosters are due on June 12

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13 hours ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

Sadly, I don't think they will get released.

Chile full out announced their 55 player preliminary squad and there are rumours/leaks about the Mexican 55 player preliminary squad.

Chile also said that they would announce their final squad on June 12th.

I get that the CSA has been pretty crap about proactively putting info out in the world historically, but we have seen larger squad lists published before.  Is there a reason why we shouldn't expect the same thing for Copa - especially with them trying to be a bit more open and transparent these days? 

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44 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said:

I get that the CSA has been pretty crap about proactively putting info out in the world historically, but we have seen larger squad lists published before.  Is there a reason why we shouldn't expect the same thing for Copa - especially with them trying to be a bit more open and transparent these days? 

Perhaps  because they may have a new perm coach and the provisional squad was picked by Biello? Just speculating.

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On 4/15/2024 at 8:07 PM, johnyb said:

I remember watching that game live and Cameroon's game plan was obvious. Foul Maradona every time he touches the ball! Hey, I guess it worked.

If that is Canada's plan..foul Messi every time he has the ball, it makes sense but Argentina have other names too like Alvarez, Garnacho from Manchester United among others

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