youllneverwalkalone Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 When TFC, or any MLS club, have revenues of $20-30m, it just makes no sense to pay a $6-8m fee, and them pay $5m per season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 ^ "Defoe Rumoured to be Nibbling at TFC Offer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 When TFC, or any MLS club, have revenues of $20-30m, it just makes no sense to pay a $6-8m fee, and them pay $5m per season. Yeah that's certainly a big part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 It's just completely ridiculous to pay these guys so much while simultaneously relying on crappy minimally paid players on the same roster. With a little more flexibility MLS could be paying every player on the roster a minimum of 100k while still having plenty left over for their all-flash-no-substance DP strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 ^ Further, compare these absurd millions to the 2013 payroll of the entire rosters of clubs 30 players: Caps ~ just over 4 million TFC ~ just under 4 million Impact ~ just under 4 million (Finalist) KC ~ 3.3 million (no player over 300k) (Finalist) RSL ~ 3.3 million (no player over 300k) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 It's just completely ridiculous to pay these guys so much while simultaneously relying on crappy minimally paid players on the same roster. With a little more flexibility MLS could be paying every player on the roster a minimum of 100k while still having plenty left over for their all-flash-no-substance DP strategy. The LA Galaxy would disagree with that. Hell, where would Montreal have been this year without its "no-substance" DP striker? Just because some teams haven't figured out how to properly utilize the DP mechanism, that doesn't mean it's not possible league-wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcalibre Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 When TFC, or any MLS club, have revenues of $20-30m, it just makes no sense to pay a $6-8m fee, and them pay $5m per season. meh, we have the money, that kind of thinking hasn't stopped PSG, Man City or the big Middle Eastern clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Isn't that an MLS problem in general though?.... I can see Kaka or Lampard coming into the league next year for 10 million a season. At the end of the day though, it is DP money, and if owners want to waste it then so be it. Ho I'm sure John Terry, with all his aledged baggage, would fit in nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 The LA Galaxy would disagree with that. Hell, where would Montreal have been this year without its "no-substance" DP striker? Just because some teams haven't figured out how to properly utilize the DP mechanism, that doesn't mean it's not possible league-wide. It works until they play a Mexican team with similar payroll but no restrictions that force them to spend on a few DPs. Not saying that it's a dud within the league as stands. Just that it's an ineffective way to improve the quality on the field and leading to some sub-optimal behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 It works until they play a Mexican team with similar payroll but no restrictions that force them to spend on a few DPs. Not saying that it's a dud within the league as stands. Just that it's an ineffective way to improve the quality on the field and leading to some sub-optimal behaviour. Agreed, increasing the cap in general to $10,000,000 would be better overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 My prerogative would be to raise the league minimum to anywhere between 75-120k. That incrementally costs about $800k-$1.2M per team. You aren't going to get quality prospects with the tools to succeed in professional sports for what they pay right now. You won't get depth either for that matter. Also look at reducing the number of DP slots to two as opposed to three. The league is throwing money on the fire with it's current strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 When TFC, or any MLS club, have revenues of $20-30m, it just makes no sense to pay a $6-8m fee, and them pay $5m per season. meh, we have the money, that kind of thinking hasn't stopped PSG, Man City or the big Middle Eastern clubs The big middle eastern clubs that you are referring to are backed by independent investors, to whom owning a soccer club is like having a shiny toy. If MLSE incurs those kinds of losses, TFC must be sold or ceases to exist. As for PSG and Man City, since when were their revenues 20 million-30 million? Read this article, and then tell me about how close you think CONCACAF Champions league is to matching that kind of revenue? http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=1858497.html Here's a key excerpt. "The 32 clubs featuring in the 2012/13 UEFA Champions League group stage can anticipate a minimum €8.6m – and the team that goes on to win the trophy next spring could collect €37.4m, not counting the market pool share. Each of the 32 sides involved in the group stage will collect a base fee of €8.6m. Performance bonuses will also see €1m paid for a win and €500,000 for a draw in the group phase." That doesn't even include their own revenue from ticket sales by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 (Finalist) KC ~ 3.3 million (no player over 300k) (Finalist) RSL ~ 3.3 million (no player over 300k) Ah the rude rock of reality for the good ship DP to crash into. This was the same situation a few years ago as well. I love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yohan Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Also look at reducing the number of DP slots to two as opposed to three. The league is throwing money on the fire with it's current strategy. Most teams use DP spots for DPs in 400-800k salary range, excl transfer fees. Except Seattle, LA and NYRB, soon to be TFC, a lot of teams hunt for good, but relatively unknown DPs from Central and South America. Wise decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yohan Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Ah the rude rock of reality for the good ship DP to crash into. This was the same situation a few years ago as well. I love it! Bieler is a DP, so is Javier Morales and Saborio. Though not the crazy DP money most people expect when they think of a DP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Bieler is a DP, so is Javier Morales and Saborio. Though not the crazy DP money most people expect when they think of a DP. True but didn't Colorado win it a few years back in a final with no DPs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 True but didn't Colorado win it a few years back in a final with no DPs? Yes, but that was when you had only 16 potential DP's in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Bieler @ 200k, Morales @ 300k, Saborio @ 450k(min 300k). Now that is value for the money. 2 of the 3 don't even need a DP slot and I don't know why you would use up a DP spot on a player when the league covers the first 350k. Ah the wonderful machinations of MLS rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Bieler @ 200k, Morales @ 300k, Saborio @ 450k(min 300k). Now that is value for the money. 2 of the 3 don't even need a DP slot and I don't know why you would use up a DP spot on a player when the league covers the first 350k. Ah the wonderful machinations of MLS rules. Transfer fees can run much higher than the posted salary. For instance, Matias Laba had a salary of around $200K this year, but his transfer fee was in the area of $1.5 million. That fee gets spread out over the length of his deal, but it still puts him over the DP threshold. The salary figures we see are from the players union, which doesn't take into account any transfer fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Transfer fees can run much higher than the posted salary. For instance, Matias Laba had a salary of around $200K this year, but his transfer fee was in the area of $1.5 million. That fee gets spread out over the length of his deal, but it still puts him over the DP threshold. The salary figures we see are from the players union, which doesn't take into account any transfer fees. Damn you're good. I've got to have you put on a "Understanding The MLS Salary Cap" course someday. With about a dozen beer each I'm sure it would make sense to us all. At least until we sobered up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Crampton Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Damn you're good. I've got to have you put on a "Understanding The MLS Salary Cap" course someday. With about a dozen beer each I'm sure it would make sense to us all. At least until we sobered up. First rule of "MLS Salary Cap 101": MLS does not have a salary cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 First rule of "MLS Salary Cap 101": MLS does not have a salary cap. Is that a new rule that nobody knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Crampton Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Is that a new rule that nobody knows? Nope, just a case of terminology not keeping up with reality (and clouding understanding). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Nope, just a case of terminology not keeping up with reality (and clouding understanding). Is it because some players' "budget" will charge one thing although their "budget" is so high that they are called designated player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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