Herdman's coaching staff: Who are they? & how do you rate them?

[Unnamed Trialist]

I'm 100% sure that Herdman ignored Tenllado in basic decision making for games 2 and 3. He did not rely on his team, who had spent months preparing Belgium, properly, and decided to go rogue. 

Throughout qualifying, in game situations, Herdman was constantly in consultation with his assistants; in any image I saw from this WC, he was always alone. Now I realise that does not mean much, but I sense he was looking for the glory there and froze out the guys that helped get us there.

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

25 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Throughout qualifying, in game situations, Herdman was constantly in consultation with his assistants; in any image I saw from this WC, he was always alone.

It did look like he was less in communication with his team during the actual matches than during qualifying.

25 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

but I sense he was looking for the glory there and froze out the guys that helped get us there.

This part doesn't make sense to me. How would ignoring his team lead to more glory?

Edited December 7, 2022 by Olympique_de_Marseille

[grigorio]

16 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

It did look like he was less in communication with his team during the actual matches than during qualifying.

I will say his vibe does seem to have changed from the Panama camp (which was a clusterfuck coinciding with a personal tragedy for him as well). The pressers at the WC were weird too where he was a half hour late for whatever unknown reason and looked rattled. 

Similarly I got the sense that the entire team including staff was communicating way less during these matches than during qualifying. Herdman often seemed alone (at least when the camera caught him). He wasn't that manic screaming guy bobbing and pacing up and down the touch lines we've gotten used to.

Borjan was dead quiet while looking and playing pretty meekly most of the time with really passive body language. Maybe because he conceded in the first half all games but he was a shadow of the vocal, chest thumping enthusiastic leader we saw throughout qualifying. 

Ditto for the players. Barely recognized them without any on-field scrums and melees bringing them all together a few times a match. 😂

[Sal333]

2 hours ago, dyslexic nam said:

Last night I was thinking about our tactical performance at the WC and I think it is safe to say that we fell somewhat short.  We can never know if a better tactical set up would have produced better results but it seems fairly clear (supported by pretty widespread consensus) that our tactics were a bit naive and ultimately less than optimal.   

Encouragingly, Herdman has a history of addressing his shortcomings.  He previously brought in a range of support staff to help better prepare for specific aspects of the game  Thus I am wondering if the same sort of consultative support would ever be considered for something as fundamental as tactics and in-game adjustments   And full disclosure, I am thinking specifically about the possibility of engaging a guy like Ancelotti for this sort of expert/consultant role.  

In theory, Herdman could continue to captain the ship and maintain long term stability with the team.  His motivational attributes and preparatory Robbie would continue to move our program forward. At the same time, someone like Ancelotti (and his connection to the country makes him the logical candidate) could get involved with an exciting program and have the satisfaction of knowing he contributed to our version of a golden generation.

The big question is whether or not that sort of arrangement would basically be perceived as an admission by Herdman that he might not be up to the required standard when it comes to tactics - which are a pretty fundamental part of the job.  And if so, would that represent a hard stop that would prevent this sort of thing from ever happening.  It is one thing to admit you need a defensive specialist to assist with preparation, but it is probably something else to concede that you need support in things like planning formations and starting line ups.   

Lots of reasons why an idea like this could never get off the ground.  Herdman could see that kind of core function as central to his own role.  Or a guy like Ancelotti (with a world class CV) may have no interest at all in essentially being a consultant.  But for someone who retired and has most definitely put in his time as the man in charge, it would be interesting to know if he would be open to any sort of expert advisory role within Herdman’s setup.  If it was structured appropriately, it is possible that it could be framed as a positive for both parties.  Herdman/Canada would get the benefit of literally one of the best coaches of the modern era, and Ancelotti could contribute positively without owning the results or dealing with any fallout. 

You're misreading Herdman. He is more than ready to take soccer advice from anyone and he'll let everyone know it. He ain't a scary cat. Example he asked the players if they wanted to attack or play a more conservative (smarter) game. Another example He asked Hutchinson in the Croatia game if he could play the 2nd half. Between heart-wrenching gasps Atiba said he was fine as he collapsed to his knees..

My sarcasm may suggest to you that I no longer support Herdman but no, I still support him. I'm just hoping he learned from his WC blunders.

[YorkRegionFan]

Does John Herdman have an assistant that advises him on tactics? Someone who he can rely on in-game, when something is not working. The Croatia game still bugs me - I keep wondering about the what-if scenarios. 

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

2 hours ago, YorkRegionFan said:

Does John Herdman have an assistant that advises him on tactics? Someone who he can rely on in-game, when something is not working. The Croatia game still bugs me - I keep wondering about the what-if scenarios. 

Many here (myself included) seemed to think that that person was Remko Bicentini. He left after our June matches to coach Curaçao.

I'm not sure who his main go-to person has been since then. Biello? De Vos?

[HochelagaFC]

58 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

Many here (myself included) seemed to think that that person was Remko Bicentini. He left after our June matches to coach Curaçao.

I'm not sure who his main go-to person has been since then. Biello? De Vos?

My guess would be Eric Tenllado, during qualifying he seemed like the one advising Herdman the most in game.

I don’t think it’s Biello, I hope not.

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

19 hours ago, PastPros said:

Simon Eady is no longer with the team, so...

So...is Eaddy truly no longer with the team?

Source?

Who has replaced him?

Neil Davidson of the Canadian Press seemed to think he was still part of the setup.

[Kadenge]

Did anyone see Eric Tenllado at either of the 2 NL matches?

[Unnamed Trialist]

20 minutes ago, Kadenge said:

Did anyone see Eric Tenllado at either of the 2 NL matches?

I saw him in the training videos running sessions. 

I think he has a strong upside, at some point we should give him our u-17s for a qualifying cycle. But I'm biased.

[PastPros]

2 hours ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

So...is Eaddy truly no longer with the team?

Source?

Who has replaced him?

Neil Davidson of the Canadian Press seemed to think he was still part of the setup.

Oh my... I went back to check the source (AP article) and I totally misread it. There was a mention of him when Neville and Shaw were hired.

I thought it said Beillo, Eaddy and Tellnado were "exiting" coaches... But it actually said "existing" coaches. Lol.

Spreader of misinformation, I have become.

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

Just now, PastPros said:

Oh my... I went back to check the source (AP article) and I totally misread it. There was a mention of him when Neville and Shaw were hired.

I thought it said Beillo, Eaddy and Tellnado were "exiting" coaches... But it actually said "existing" coaches. Lol.

Spreader of misinformation, I have become.

No problem.

You hear that @El Hombre , I can still blame our corner kicks on Simon Eaddy.

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As we saw in the friendly vs Japan, I hope that during the Gold Cup, Hoilett takes the corner kicks; Eustáquio is a boss in midfield but I think Hoilett is sharper on those corners.

[CanadaFan123]

2 hours ago, Kadenge said:

Did anyone see Eric Tenllado at either of the 2 NL matches?

Yes, I got a picture with him in front of Excalibur 

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

Paolo Ceccarelli http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Ceccarelli

is in for Simon Eaddy.

Paul Stalteri is interesting and Steven "quality🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿" Caldwell is back with the group (last time he worked with the #CanMNT was when? Gold Cup 2021?)

 

Edited October 5, 2023 by Olympique_de_Marseille

[DeRo_Is_King]

5 minutes ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

Paul Stalteri is interesting

Indeed. Really like this addition. 

Edited October 5, 2023 by DeRo_Is_King