Herdman's coaching staff: Who are they? & how do you rate them?

[El Hombre]

1 minute ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Plenty of nations have long-time assistant and youth coaches who are not successful with club teams, but have an effective role working for their national FA. 

We have no idea what the role they play is in the day-to-day of the national team. If the team is deemed successful, and a lot of people would say that it has been over the qualifiers and in this GC, then they are part of that success. Biello, maybe he runs the drills, the tactics, fitness: they all look fine. Maybe he works in team mentality. The team mentality looks good. Maybe he works with the younger guys, or the vets. No problem there.

So arguing they "are shit" when in control is ridiculous: they are not in control. Herdman is. Are you trying to insinuate they are undermining it? Saying they are shit--well that is shitty.

You don't even realise we can't have premium coaches for the youth teams in Canada because we can't pay them anything a premium coach merits.

I realize your MO is to disagree with everything, but I don't think you understood what I posted.

When I said that they are "shit when they are in control" I was referring to when they run the team, like Biello did for Olympic Qualifying and Olivieri did for U17 and U20.  Those teams did not look good and definitely did not play to potential.  The fact that they are still assistants for the senior team means that they will most likely retain their roles for the underage teams.  In the case of Olivieri, that is a damn shame.  Olympic Qualifying is still a ways off, so not too concerned about that but that was Biello's big audition and I think he failed.  Was not impressed.

[youllneverwalkalone]

Biello strikes me as a good coach. He had as good a run in MLS as any Impact manager (I think, not looking at any stats here).

 

[MM3/MM2/MM]

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1 hour ago, youllneverwalkalone said:

Biello strikes me as a good coach. He had as good a run in MLS as any Impact manager (I think, not looking at any stats here).

 

I liked the way he coached Montréal, they rarely sat on a lead, going for more goals, it was exciting to watch, maybe a it naïve at times and he did get lucky with Drogba falling into his lap. (Disclaimer, I coached Mauro when he was 10 years old)

[costarg]

2 hours ago, MM3/MM2/MM said:

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I liked the way he coached Montréal, they rarely sat on a lead, going for more goals, it was exciting to watch, maybe a it naïve at times and he did get lucky with Drogba falling into his lap. (Disclaimer, I coached Mauro when he was 10 years old)

Biggest and probably only issue I had with Biello was the handling of Tabla (or lack of).  Other than that, he did well, players seemed happy and worked hard for him. 

[Unnamed Trialist]

4 hours ago, El Hombre said:

I realize your MO is to disagree with everything, but I don't think you understood what I posted.

When I said that they are "shit when they are in control" I was referring to when they run the team, like Biello did for Olympic Qualifying and Olivieri did for U17 and U20.  Those teams did not look good and definitely did not play to potential.  The fact that they are still assistants for the senior team means that they will most likely retain their roles for the underage teams.  In the case of Olivieri, that is a damn shame.  Olympic Qualifying is still a ways off, so not too concerned about that but that was Biello's big audition and I think he failed.  Was not impressed.

So Biello was "shit when he was in control" when we had a seriously depleted Olympic qualifying roster at the same time we were prepping for critical World Cup qualifying, both teams competiting for the youngest groups of talent in our history? With not a single friendly with a totally oddball group of players?

You know, we should have had an even worse roster for those matches, Tajon probably should not have been there for example. 

But lucky Tajon was there, otherwise Biello would have been pig or horse or "stinking horse shit when he was in control".

 

[El Hombre]

19 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

So Biello was "shit when he was in control" when we had a seriously depleted Olympic qualifying roster at the same time we were prepping for critical World Cup qualifying, both teams competiting for the youngest groups of talent in our history? With not a single friendly with a totally oddball group of players?

You know, we should have had an even worse roster for those matches, Tajon probably should not have been there for example. 

But lucky Tajon was there, otherwise Biello would have been pig or horse or "stinking horse shit when he was in control".

 

Hold on, before I respond, can you please let me know if Olympic Qualifying is or isn't an important tournament?  I don't remember anyone doing any analysis of our competition, so I guess that means that it wasn't?  So, does that mean that I shouldn't have been watching with a critical eye? 

But yes, I was not impressed.  He had no game plan, he had no response when people were double-teaming Tajon.  There was very little going forward even though this roster was, on paper, one of our strongest Olympic qualifying rosters. We squeaked by El Salvador on a display of individual brillance.  We were outshot and held to a 0-0 draw by the group's whipping boy when they had their social media coordinator playing for them for the first 30 minutes. 

That team looked an awful lot like our U17 and U20 teams "coached" by Olivieri who I hold in much lower regard than Biello.  To me, Biello did not show much in that three game audition, but like I said, the next round of Olympic Qualifying is 3.5 years away, so things will most likely change between now and then.  Unfortunately, U20 and U17 cycles are next year.  I will be very disappointed if Olivieri is in charge again, even if he is as amazing an assistant as you say he is.

[kacbru]

1 hour ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

With not a single friendly with a totally oddball group of players?

This is the key point.  You could put any coach in the world in this position and they are set up to fail.  The sad thing is, the CSA treats these youth tournaments as all-star games and nothing more.  Maybe that's justified based on the budget, but you can't expect a coach to be able to come in and have an influence in that situation. 

[red card]

After she stopped playing, Gayle was selected by Herdman to take care of the videos and analytics with the women's team. So, she could have been brought over to the men's team to do the same.

This could mean Gayle could be the person or one of the people Herdman is talking to via his airpods. I haven't seen anyone else with a laptop on the bench. For the women at the Olympics, I have seen someone on the bench with a laptop.

[DavemTFC]

Was just thinking the other day, is communicating with someone outside the field of play via earbud or whatever even allowed?

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

1 hour ago, red card said:

one of the people Herdman is talking to via his airpods.

When he used to coach the women's side he was known for spending the first 20 minutes looking at the match from the highest vantage point possible.

Somebody sitting in the press box or in the nosebleeds?

Edited July 28, 2021 by Olympique_de_Marseille

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

14 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Folks here have no idea what he does as assistant coach.

 

8 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

We have no idea what the role they play is in the day-to-day of the national team....Maybe he works in team mentality....

This is the question this thread is trying to answer for each person.

BTW, as @narduch said, I think Gayle does the mentality stuff.

[Kadenge]

1 hour ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said:

When he used to coach the women's side he was known for spending the first 20 minutes looking at the match from the highest vantage point possible.

Somebody sitting in the press box or in the nosebleeds?

It was my understanding that Remko Bicenti was the assistant coach that was relaying messages to JH from the press box

[El Hombre]

4 hours ago, kacbru said:

This is the key point.  You could put any coach in the world in this position and they are set up to fail.  The sad thing is, the CSA treats these youth tournaments as all-star games and nothing more.  Maybe that's justified based on the budget, but you can't expect a coach to be able to come in and have an influence in that situation. 

Sure, I get that.  And for that, I should cut Biello some slack. 

Unfortunately, I don't think Olivieri gets the same consideration.  He had an entire qualifying campaign with the U17s before the World Cup and his game plan never deviated from "Kick it up and hope Nelson can run it down."  He had prep time.

[CanadaFan123]

Good riddance to this loser. I was all about him when he got canned but I’ll throw my hands up and say I was wrong. Very wrong. 

[Bison44]

CLassic sour grapes!!  If we would have won, he would have pumped the tires of guys he brought into the program eh?? Booooo!!!!   

[masster]

13 hours ago, CanadaFan123 said:

Good riddance to this loser. I was all about him when he got canned but I’ll throw my hands up and say I was wrong. Very wrong. 

Wow. Very poor form.

[El Diego]

13 hours ago, CanadaFan123 said:

Good riddance to this loser. I was all about him when he got canned but I’ll throw my hands up and say I was wrong. Very wrong. 

What a pathetic tweet. The more I see and hear about this guy, the less I like him

[Gian-Luca]

Unless he was there or even on the field of play I doubt he knows what truly set off the 2nd bench clearing brawl, as the cameras didn't show what happened and even people at field level like Oliver Platt seem none the wiser. According to Hoilett post-game one of the Mexican players threw the ball away from us before the re-start in "poor sportsmanship" while Osorio says they did something "disrespectful" to us. And that's about all I've been able to make out.

[El Diego]

5 minutes ago, Gian-Luca said:

Unless he was there or even on the field of play I doubt he knows what truly set off the 2nd bench clearing brawl, as the cameras didn't show what happened and even people at field level like Oliver Platt seem none the wiser. According to Hoilett post-game one of the Mexican players threw the ball away from us before the re-start in "poor sportsmanship" while Osorio says they did something "disrespectful" to us. And that's about all I've been able to make out.

https://streamable.com/e787zp

What happened is that Canada had the ball at the centre circle for a restart when a second ball was on the field. The second ball was thrown out, and as that ball is going out a Mexican player takes the ball from the centre circle and throws it across the field out of bounds. It looked like he was trying to make it seem as if he was removing one of the two balls, but it was so late that it was a completely ridiculous play.

[Gian-Luca]

2 minutes ago, El Diego said:

https://streamable.com/e787zp

Well, that's certainly throwing the ball away alright! Someone please tell me the guy got a card for that...

[El Diego]

1 minute ago, Gian-Luca said:

Well, that's certainly throwing the ball away alright! Someone please tell me the guy got a card for that...

Oh summer child, the only player to get booked from that entire sequence was the player on the aggrieved team furthest from the incident (Mad Max)

[Gian-Luca]

12 minutes ago, El Diego said:

Oh summer child, the only player to get booked from that entire sequence was the player on the aggrieved team furthest from the incident (Mad Max)

I understand that one though, it's because he wasn't there on the sidelines to catch the 35 foot toss of the ball by the Mexican player, so clearly it was a delay of game on his part.

[Free kick]

6 hours ago, El Diego said:

https://streamable.com/e787zp

What happened is that Canada had the ball at the centre circle for a restart when a second ball was on the field. The second ball was thrown out, and as that ball is going out a Mexican player takes the ball from the centre circle and throws it across the field out of bounds. It looked like he was trying to make it seem as if he was removing one of the two balls, but it was so late that it was a completely ridiculous play.

Thanks for that.  You cleared up what we were all wondering about after the game.  
how that doesnt warrant a card,   Is totally beyond me. 

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

So, how does everyone rate Chris Hadfield performance as part of the coaching staff? 🤔 

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On a more serious note, Remko Bicentini left us as an assistant coach after our CNL matches in June. He became Curaçao head coach (back in August I think?).

So in our next competive match we will face a Curaçao coach who knows our team inside and out.

https://www.concacaf.com/nations-league/news/bicentini-relishing-new-opportunity-at-helm-of-curacao/

Edited December 7, 2022 by Olympique_de_Marseille

[dyslexic nam]

Last night I was thinking about our tactical performance at the WC and I think it is safe to say that we fell somewhat short.  We can never know if a better tactical set up would have produced better results but it seems fairly clear (supported by pretty widespread consensus) that our tactics were a bit naive and ultimately less than optimal.   

Encouragingly, Herdman has a history of addressing his shortcomings.  He previously brought in a range of support staff to help better prepare for specific aspects of the game  Thus I am wondering if the same sort of consultative support would ever be considered for something as fundamental as tactics and in-game adjustments   And full disclosure, I am thinking specifically about the possibility of engaging a guy like Ancelotti for this sort of expert/consultant role.  

In theory, Herdman could continue to captain the ship and maintain long term stability with the team.  His motivational attributes and preparatory Robbie would continue to move our program forward. At the same time, someone like Ancelotti (and his connection to the country makes him the logical candidate) could get involved with an exciting program and have the satisfaction of knowing he contributed to our version of a golden generation.

The big question is whether or not that sort of arrangement would basically be perceived as an admission by Herdman that he might not be up to the required standard when it comes to tactics - which are a pretty fundamental part of the job.  And if so, would that represent a hard stop that would prevent this sort of thing from ever happening.  It is one thing to admit you need a defensive specialist to assist with preparation, but it is probably something else to concede that you need support in things like planning formations and starting line ups.   

Lots of reasons why an idea like this could never get off the ground.  Herdman could see that kind of core function as central to his own role.  Or a guy like Ancelotti (with a world class CV) may have no interest at all in essentially being a consultant.  But for someone who retired and has most definitely put in his time as the man in charge, it would be interesting to know if he would be open to any sort of expert advisory role within Herdman’s setup.  If it was structured appropriately, it is possible that it could be framed as a positive for both parties.  Herdman/Canada would get the benefit of literally one of the best coaches of the modern era, and Ancelotti could contribute positively without owning the results or dealing with any fallout.