Wippersuna Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Can’t help but feel like the team is hanging and waiting to move or fold as of late. Really need to make some significant changes but I am really not sure what they are or how to get there. Really sucks being a Valour supporter. K Edgar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Maybe the league needs to narrow the gap between the salary cap and the salary floor and either force Wade Miller to spend more or reign in Bob Young, Atletico and the Spruce Meadows people a little bit because it does look a little like some of the old CSL clubs that you could tell were in a death spiral. Ironically, back then the Fury were never in that category until the CNSL season in 1993. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 3 hours ago, Wippersuna said: Can’t help but feel like the team is hanging and waiting to move or fold as of late. Really need to make some significant changes but I am really not sure what they are or how to get there. Really sucks being a Valour supporter. I've seen small steps (not large enough) from the marketing and game day experience side of things that suggest that WFC is thinking of actually giving it a proper try. It's the soccer operations side where they are not being provided with the resources required to succeed. johnyb, NVsoccer and K Edgar 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 57 minutes ago, Ozzie_the_parrot said: Maybe the league needs to narrow the gap between the salary cap and the salary floor and either force Wade Miller to spend more or reign in Bob Young, Atletico and the Spruce Meadows people a little bit because it does look a little like some of the old CSL clubs that you could tell were in a death spiral. Ironically, back then the Fury were never in that category until the CNSL season in 1993. Yup. As much as people like the idea of having a flagship team that others can measure themselves against, another Forge win this year would be bad for the league. Having all but one of your titles in a 5 year old league held by the same team, and half the teams having no real success of any kind in a half a decade is what it is in a sporting sense, but it is no good for developing a community of support around those teams. johnyb, nolando and NVsoccer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 No match preview article on the Valour site. I guess Ed Tait has given up on the season just like the rest of us. The league preview does have this detail: Quote Valour meanwhile are returning to full health, with Matteo De Brienne finally getting back in the XI last weekend, so they’ll feel they perhaps have some depth to call on for this one. However, head coach Phillip Dos Santos did reveal on Friday that Darlington Murasiranwa will make his Valour debut in goal, with usual starter Rayane Yesli unavailable due to illness. Abdou Samaké will also miss out after suffering an injury in Halifax last week. But they also published this gem: Quote Pacific have never lost at home to Valour, and they would quite like to continue that trend even though Valour memorably won at Pacific in like the 2nd game in league history. So who knows. johnyb and K Edgar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Fast Eddie sneaks just under the wire with a bare bones match preview: https://valourfc.canpl.ca/article/match-preview-vs-pacific-fc-2 No injury updates. I can't blame the guy for phoning it in, as I'm sure he has lots of duties related to the BB's biggest game of the regular season this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie_the_parrot Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Kind of why it's better to have ownership that prioritizes soccer over other sports though. If ownership is treating the team as an afterthought, it doesn't make it any easier for fans to start investing emotionally in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Does anyone know anything about the sub keeper Evan Ince? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Edgar Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, EnigMattic1 said: Does anyone know anything about the sub keeper Evan Ince? See the game thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 On 8/27/2023 at 2:35 PM, jonovision said: Yup. As much as people like the idea of having a flagship team that others can measure themselves against, another Forge win this year would be bad for the league. Having all but one of your titles in a 5 year old league held by the same team, and half the teams having no real success of any kind in a half a decade is what it is in a sporting sense, but it is no good for developing a community of support around those teams. You could have 3/4 of the teams make the playoffs. They have already moved to the curling style playoff with five teams for this year. Anything can happen when you get to the dance! (I am being facetious in light of the discussion in the Millar thread with @blueseeka about the North American pro sports focus on playoffs as opposed to prom/rel, first/second division stuff.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, BearcatSA said: You could have 3/4 of the teams make the playoffs. They have already moved to the curling style playoff with five teams for this year. Anything can happen when you get to the dance! (I am being facetious in light of the discussion in the Millar thread with @blueseeka about the North American pro sports focus on playoffs as opposed to prom/rel, first/second division stuff.) The curling system is the best and fairest version that I've come across. 5 teams of 8 is too many, but two teams, especially if it's the same two every year, could well spell the death of the league. No perfect options here. BearcatSA and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) (wrong thread) Edited September 2, 2023 by jonovision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wippersuna Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Dos Santos spent the entire week of pre season drilling into the team that this was the year we weren’t going to miss by a point and has spent every week since trying to clarify that this was not what he meant. NVsoccer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 23 minutes ago, Wippersuna said: Dos Santos spent the entire week of pre season drilling into the team that this was the year we weren’t going to miss by a point and has spent every week since trying to clarify that this was not what he meant. will he join gale in constantly complaining about not having this and that once hes no longer the coach? jonovision 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Edgar Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 3 hours ago, jonovision said: OneSoccer just in full cheerleader mode for Pacific in half time and post game. Valour players that should return in 2024: De Brienne, Gutierrez, Sanchez. Williams. Maybe Campbell and Baquero. Tough to think of an argument for anyone else. Yesli I guess. If the rest are cut loose I'd be surprised if more than 3 or 4 would catch onto another CPL team. There simply isn't any talent here. 48 minutes ago, Wippersuna said: Have to wonder if De Brienne and Gutierrez would even want to return. Hard to imagine sticking around is high in their priorities after being here before. Moving this to the Valour Season thread... I would add Samake and Pianelli to the possibly keep list. And Ohin if only he could stay healthy. I would put Ponce and Niyongabire ahead of Williams... but perhaps they shoud all go. Also, would consider Mzoughi for another season of U21 minutes. True that Gutierrez will likely look for a change of scenes and Atletico seems a logical choise to offer de Brienne a contract. Don't think fireing PDS is the answer but it is the only option at this point. Could happen this month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) Samake would be fine as a depth option. Not if he's being counted upon to be a starter like he was this year. Pianelli might also be worth keeping as cheap depth but he is so slow, and not particularly young. I find your preference of Ponce and Niyongabire over Williams quite surprising. Niyongabire had a few hot games at the start of the season but was quickly found out. Williams was one of the few players that could actually create chances for others, especially on those rare occasions where he was allowed to play in a #10 role instead of on the wing. I like Ponce more than most, and he's not a bad as a depth option, much better than Novak and Siaj, but he's not good enough if he's making anything above the minimum. Keeping Mzoughi for the U21 minutes might be alright, although I don't think anybody knows what position he should be playing. I'd like to see him tried further up the pitch. I don't see what the point of an in-season firing of PDS would be, so I'd expect the news to come after the season. I do think this whole season could have been quite different with a healthy Ohin, although there has been such a tsunami of injuries to other players maybe it wouldn't have mattered. Edited September 3, 2023 by jonovision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Edgar Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 So we have consense of Ulloa (shockingly over 40 appearances for Valour), Novak, Rendon, Cela, Polisi, Siaj, Haynes -- that is a third of the team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Was anything ever announced regarding who Valour linked up with in the 'Affiliation Pilot Project'? When the project was announced in April, only HFX, Valour and Ottawa hadn't announced who they had linked up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 As far as next season goes, I would like to see the club try and build around the likes of de Brienne, Guti, Baquero, Yesli, Sanchez and Williams. I think Baquero should be retained for experience and versatility. Ohin should be given one last chance to see if he can stay healthy as I believe a healthy Ohin would be an ideal screen for the back 4. I would expect Chandler to be retained in order to be given a fair shot. Mzoughi would also be worth keeping around. Haynes isn't up to scratch but I would be tempted to keep Cela, Pianelli and Samake around for next season. I would personally like to see Evan Barker brought in to challenge Yesli as he has had 2 solid seasons in the USL2 and has been in contention for goalkeeper of the year both times. Baptiste needs to go as he has shown that he is prone to injuries and often seems off the pace (I know I said Ohin should be given one last chance, but a keeper needs a consistent defensive line). The attacking side needs an overhaul. Get rid of Novak, Siaj, Ponce and Selemani. Rendon needs to go, Ulloa isn't as good as they had hoped he would be. Niyongabire could be given another season as Akio and Dyer took time to settle before they started finding the net. jonovision and K Edgar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Edgar Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 2 thoughts/questions... Choice of Evan Ince for backup GK over say Barker or Artemenko would simply be a question of cost? Ince did not require plane fare and hotel costs -- just a ferry ticket. As I understand it after Aug 15 Pianelli's USports contract would expire and he would require a full Pro contract. All USports contacts are considered Canadian but under a Pro contract he would have to count as an International? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Edgar Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 https://valourfc.canpl.ca/article/this-is-who-were-called-to-be-to-be-the-best-version-of-ourselves-every-day-as-individuals "The club will have F Anthony Novak and D Jordan Haynes available against York United FC after the two missed last week’s loss to Pacific due to illness." -- too much to ask that they remain ill??? jonovision and Cheeta 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Robin Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 All the audio (wow 37 minutes) from the post game press conference of the CPL game of Fri Sep 8/23 between York United FC and Valour FC played at York Lions Stadium. Dante Campbell, Phil Dos Santos and Max Ferrari, Martin Nash. http://www.rocketrobinsoccerintoronto.com/reports23/23york177.htm CDNFootballer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Edgar Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Cheeta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Quite right. Well done. K Edgar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Edgar Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 4th Team of the Week for Guti, 3rd for the other 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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