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[BringBackTheBlizzard]

Why would you think I would have an issue with any of that, Ansem? There is space for both. The moratorium held back growth that should have been happening in the smaller markets so it is time to finally break the logjam and get more pro teams into more Canadian cities.

Edited October 4, 2017 by BringBackTheBlizzard

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

7 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said:

I think I've listened to everything he's done and I don't remember this. Can you please provide which podcast episode he mentioned this.

Almost certain it was in the one where he first described the 200k and over with 4500 to 6000 crowds model of doing things with three fans (two male and one female) in Toronto.

[harrycoyster]

9 minutes ago, shermanator said:

To build on your comment, just because nothing has been made public, doesn't mean that things aren't happening.

Myself, I've heard things that have kept my excitement level high despite the lack of official news. Of course, the last time I attempted to spread some excitement with no details it was blown out of proportion by people here.

I'm fairly connected in BC soccer, and I haven't heard so much as a crumb of information in nearly 6 months. The Whitecaps know very little and haven't had any direct contact with the CPL, the PCSL knows nothing, and the BCSA isn't involved. I'm 99% confident there won't be a CPL team playing in BC in 2018. I hope the CPL has already started to reach out to youth clubs and local talent outside of BC, but it's good to know somebody is hearing something. 

[Ansem]

10 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

Why would you think I would have an issue with any of that, Ansem? There is space for both. The moratorium held back growth that should have been happening in the smaller markets so it is time to finally break the logjam and get more pro teams into more Canadian cities.

The moratorium was to avoid the "Americanization" of Canadian soccer and Americans don't have Canadian soccer at the heart of their interest. That being said, MLS was a huge catalyst at opening eyes in Canada that there was indeed money to be made in soccer and we all thank them for that.

However, it's time for Canadians to take it from here. That's all. If CPL is the success it wants to be and indeed end up following through with their vision of clubs all over the place split in 2 divisions, we all win.

That's what matters.

You're the one who seems to be unable to let go of the fact that the USSF influence over Canadian soccer has been stopped.

At this point, this talk of Canadian SUM is a waste of time and truly irrelevant without facts, which non of us have. All this speculation is getting old

Edited October 4, 2017 by Ansem

[matty]

1 minute ago, harrycoyster said:

I'm fairly connected in BC soccer, and I haven't heard so much as a crumb of information in nearly 6 months. The Whitecaps know very little and haven't had any direct contact with the CPL, the PCSL knows nothing, and the BCSA isn't involved. I'm 99% confident there won't be a CPL team playing in BC in 2018. I hope the CPL has already started to reach out to youth clubs and local talent outside of BC, but it's good to know somebody is hearing something. 

Hey BBTB what are your thoughts on this? Does that sound like "we're working together?"

[Ansem]

2 minutes ago, matty said:

Hey BBTB what are your thoughts on this? Does that sound like "we're working together?"

Or maybe MLS and SUM like to keep the Canadian clubs in the dark?

[Dub Narcotic]

4 hours ago, Rheo said:

Well when I see him post the same basic argument worded differently multiple times, I don't feel it's wrong to post  saying I disagree with it.  Somehow missed the "ten times" I expressed this. 

I feel I post a lot of relevant stuff on here.  If you disagree, sorry to hear.  Looking forward to you relaxing and getting off your high horse.

I apologize for my second post, it was uncalled for. I don't apologize for pointing out that we don't need 'there's no point in speculating' posts several times a week. The whole point of message boards is to speculate, hypothesize, analyze and evaluate. If the people involved with the CPL want to end rumours and speculation about the league launch they can give us a concrete start date.

If the CPL is so fragile that it is going to crumble from some mild skepticism on an obscure message board it's not much of a project in the first place.

[matty]

2 minutes ago, Dub Narcotic said:

....The whole point of message boards is to speculate, hypothesize, analyze and evaluate....

Isn't the point to turn us all into horrible alt-right or radical left monsters? Has the media been lying to me? Gaaaaahhhhjhhhjjjjj

 

 

But seriously i agree with you

[toontownman]

So is this the SUM of all fears?

[matty]

8 minutes ago, toontownman said:

So is this the SUM of all fears?

That book/movie sucks

[Blackjack15]

Personally I would rather them start in April/May of 2019 and play a full season than start in Late July/Early August and play half 

As Paul Beirne said himself: "You only get one chance to make a good first impression"

[matty]

47 minutes ago, Blackjack15 said:

Personally I would rather them start in April/May of 2019 and play a full season than start in Late July/Early August and play half 

As Paul Beirne said himself: "You only get one chance to make a good first impression"

True but you also don't get a window where the whole nation is watching soccer every year. If they're ready they should just at it if not then wait

[toontownman]

Makes the inaugural season a bit more like a meaningless showcas, especially if it's confirmed more teams are in for 2019. 

Makes sense to capitalise on the world cup viewership and buzz but also makes sense to wait to do it properly with a decent number of teams. 

I wouldn't mind a set of showcase round robin type tournament rather than calling it the first season but understand if they just want to get it going too.

Edited October 5, 2017 by toontownman

[matty]

Minor thing

So I was checking out the CPL twitter (which is almost bare, they should seriously start retweeting every CPL related news article) and was looking over their followers and saw the Canadian Professional Lacrosse League.

The league seems to be at a similar stage as CPL and is planning on an April/May 2018 season and claims to have strong ownership groups in 4 cities interested according. The project is WAY smaller than CPL and kind of mega sketch (it's founder seems to have tried his hand unsuccessfully in both arena football and pro wrestling with possible links to the porn industry) but hey who knows maybe this'll be a cult hit similar to NLL, MLL or that lingerie football league that it appears to share sponsorship with.

What an interesting time to be a Canadian sports fan

Because I've basically made a nothing post here's Totera listing who he wants to see coaching in CPL with Marcina, Yallop and Biello missing for some reason.

 

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

12 hours ago, matty said:

Hey BBTB what are your thoughts on this? Does that sound like "we're working together?"

Where did I say they were working together on the league launch? What I pointed to was comments from PB that the issue would only be revisited once CanPL was firmly established and at the outset there definitely wouldn't be any reserve teams. One area where it has been made clear that they do plan to work together from the outset is the Voyageurs Cup. That makes things different from the Welsh scenario where the teams that participate in the English pyramid do not get to play in the Welsh Cup.

Edited October 5, 2017 by BringBackTheBlizzard

[Rheo]

Tonight 

 

[matty]

5 hours ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

Where did I say they were working together on the league launch? What I pointed to was comments from PB that the issue would only be revisited once CanPL was firmly established and at the outset there definitely wouldn't be any reserve teams...

I'm not addressing the reserve league talk, I'm talking about SUM, which is a MLS property, and using the known history of the two leagues lack of communication as another example of why the "Canadian SUM" and SUM itself are more likely not connected than connected.

Now you're right that it could be (maybe 20%) but it does go against all current reports on the matter.

 

[Rheo]

11 hours ago, Dub Narcotic said:

I apologize for my second post, it was uncalled for. I don't apologize for pointing out that we don't need 'there's no point in speculating' posts several times a week. The whole point of message boards is to speculate, hypothesize, analyze and evaluate. If the people involved with the CPL want to end rumours and speculation about the league launch they can give us a concrete start date.

If the CPL is so fragile that it is going to crumble from some mild skepticism on an obscure message board it's not much of a project in the first place.

Figured a self-imposed time out would be good lol hence the long reply time.  Plus I had a fantasy hockey draft.

You're interpreting my post incorrectly. Where I was trying to be a smartass in a failed attempt to keep it light, what I said I meant literally.  Rereading it though I can see how it can be interpreted as me being dismissive of speculation.  I should know better by now that sarcasm doesn't translate well over the internet.  I'd be a pretty big hypocrite if I spent so much time on here yet tried to get rid of the speculation lol.  

What I was going for (in an obviously failed attempt at humour) is that speculation is what we do here and I have no problem with it.  But at the same time pointing out that that he was speculating and that his hypothesis is not the near certainty of fact that he was presenting it as in his posts.  That we don't know.  Person A might be right, Person B might be right.  That it is speculation, not fact.

While I appreciate the apology, there's no need for it.  Mix up in communication and intent.  Cheers.

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

29 minutes ago, matty said:

I'm not addressing the reserve league talk, I'm talking about SUM, which is a MLS property, and using the known history of the two leagues lack of communication as another example of why the "Canadian SUM" and SUM itself are more likely not connected than connected....

Canadian SUM was something Victor Montagliani said had just been set up in an interview earlier this year. SUM isn't just an MLS marketing arm. It also handles a lot of the marketing rights for the US and Mexican national teams. The CSA getting involved with that was part and parcel of the joint World Cup hosting bid. 

[matty]

8 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

Canadian SUM was something Victor Montagliani said had just been set up in an interview earlier this year. SUM isn't just an MLS marketing arm. It also handles a lot of the marketing rights for the US and Mexican national teams. The CSA getting involved with that was part and parcel of the joint World Cup hosting bid. 

Yes SUM is more than MLS's markting wing but it is controlled by MLS, it's not separate, and according to every report (Rollins, Larson, ect.) there has been a disconnect between MLS and CPL.

It's also telling that the CSA has worked with SUM for years now. It's not a new partnership at all.

These are two important things to remember and they both go against SUM being the "Canadian SUM". Also the idea that SUM would let its latest client partner with an outside promoter that would botch a high profile friendly is fucking ridiculous and if they did we should get rid of them.

Edited October 5, 2017 by matty

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

The promoter for the Benfica Rangers game was Elite Soccer Entertainment of Brampton. The Hamilton Ticats were going to help on the gameday operations side. Not sure how SUM enters into the equation on any of this given there is no MLS angle and SUM is linked to MLS rather than CanPL.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/1648000/we-dont-blame-rangers-fans-eusebio-cup-benfica-2/

Elite Soccer Entertainment’s CEO Fernando Pacheco had said Rangers fans were slow to snap up tickets for the glamour clash...  The Hamilton Spectator in Canada quoted Pacheco as saying: “Portuguese fans had been responding to the visit, Rangers fans had not.

“Twenty seven per cent of Hamilton has a Scottish background.

“After what they’ve been through the past few years and fought back, there should be support. But they were not buying tickets.”

Looks like the promoters didn't grasp that most people who claim to be Scottish in Canadian census returns in cities like Hamilton have no recent connection to the place, because their ancestors arrived pre-WWII and they are basically just going from where their surname originates.

Edited October 5, 2017 by BringBackTheBlizzard

[matty]

29 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

The promoter for the Benfica Rangers game was Elite Soccer Entertainment of Brampton. The Hamilton Ticats were going to help on the gameday operations side. Not sure how SUM enters into the equation on any of this given there is no MLS angle and SUM is linked to MLS rather than CanPL.

I literally said sum wasn't involved but a cpl party was. The fact hamilton was working with a non-sum party, which isn't common with its mls clients, is probably an indicator there is no link

[Rheo]

Well if PB says anything new of importance tonight at the Footy Talks there's a real opportunity to get some good press.  Besides all the listed people (Armstrong, Molinaro, Jack, Sharman, etc) the organizers tweeted that they hear Tim and Sid and Jeff Blair might be there.  Should be an interesting night regardless.

[Ansem]

Great podcast to listen too:

http://www.northernstartingeleven.com/sea-to-sea-podcast-episode-8-nasl-what-cpl-can-learn/

[LAK]

3 hours ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

Canadian SUM was something Victor Montagliani said had just been set up in an interview earlier this year. SUM isn't just an MLS marketing arm. It also handles a lot of the marketing rights for the US and Mexican national teams. The CSA getting involved with that was part and parcel of the joint World Cup hosting bid. 

My interpretation of what Victor said was that something similar to what MLS set up, "SUM" will be set up in Canada through CPL. By calling it "Canadian SUM", I always interpreted it as the Canadian version of SUM, and didn't give it a name because it wasn't official yet. MLS setting up offices here to me was a sign of them trying to get a foot hold in Canada before CPL and the Canadian version of SUM established themselves. Could that be a possibility?