puskas Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 I am not certain if there was a draw for the Gold Cup grouping but something smells fishy. The Americans and the Mexicans are in a relatively easy group while Canada's group contains four traditionally good teams. So is the plan for all the competition to eliminate each other while USA and Mexico has an easy ride reducing the chances of eliminating the glammer teams? Now likely Jamaica and El Salvador will both get eliminated not because Jamaica is the worst third place team but because they had the hardest competition out of any third place team. Also Mexico and USA being the group winners (which was almost a given) are facing third place teams while Canada being first from the toughest group must face a very tough second place opponent in Hondurus. You would think the first place of the toughest group would get treated better. If this was track and field, Canada would have to run 150m while USA and Mexico have to run 100m. It is not equal at all. I watched the Americans and Haiti game. When Haiti was winning 2-1, suddenly the ref turned stupid and entirely favored the US. At the end the tying goal was a nice fair one by Holden but the refs biased is not lost on me at all. Reminds me when they disallowed that last minute tying goal for Canada in the last Gold Cup. It really takes away the joy for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 These things don't happen in CONCACAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktci Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 quote:Originally posted by RJB These things don't happen in CONCACAF. What do you mean????? These things happen all the time in CONCACAF!!! Why do you think that offside call was made in the last Gold Cup???? Jack Warner!!!!! Benito Archundia!!!!! (Just figured I'd get the inevitable, missed-the-snark reaction out of the way.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tintin Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 quote:Originally posted by RJB These things don't happen in CONCACAF. There's nothing like a dry sense of humour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tintin Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 quote:Originally posted by puskas I am not certain if there was a draw for the Gold Cup grouping but something smells fishy. The Americans and the Mexicans are in a relatively easy group while Canada's group contains four traditionally good teams. So is the plan for all the competition to eliminate each other while USA and Mexico has an easy ride reducing the chances of eliminating the glammer teams? Now likely Jamaica and El Salvador will both get eliminated not because Jamaica is the worst third place team but because they had the hardest competition out of any third place team. Also Mexico and USA being the group winners (which was almost a given) are facing third place teams while Canada being first from the toughest group must face a very tough second place opponent in Hondurus. You would think the first place of the toughest group would get treated better. If this was track and field, Canada would have to run 150m while USA and Mexico have to run 100m. It is not equal at all. I watched the Americans and Haiti game. When Haiti was winning 2-1, suddenly the ref turned stupid and entirely favored the US. At the end the tying goal was a nice fair one by Holden but the refs biased is not lost on me at all. Reminds me when they disallowed that last minute tying goal for Canada in the last Gold Cup. It really takes away the joy for me. It's not just the Gold Cup, it's CONCACAF in general which favours Mexico, USA and T&T. We've been cheated out of matches for years in CONCACAF no matter what the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillium Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 quote:Originally posted by puskas I am not certain if there was a draw for the Gold Cup grouping but something smells fishy. The Americans and the Mexicans are in a relatively easy group while Canada's group contains four traditionally good teams. So is the plan for all the competition to eliminate each other while USA and Mexico has an easy ride reducing the chances of eliminating the glammer teams? Now likely Jamaica and El Salvador will both get eliminated not because Jamaica is the worst third place team but because they had the hardest competition out of any third place team. Also Mexico and USA being the group winners (which was almost a given) are facing third place teams while Canada being first from the toughest group must face a very tough second place opponent in Hondurus. You would think the first place of the toughest group would get treated better. If this was track and field, Canada would have to run 150m while USA and Mexico have to run 100m. It is not equal at all. I watched the Americans and Haiti game. When Haiti was winning 2-1, suddenly the ref turned stupid and entirely favored the US. At the end the tying goal was a nice fair one by Holden but the refs biased is not lost on me at all. Reminds me when they disallowed that last minute tying goal for Canada in the last Gold Cup. It really takes away the joy for me. Sport is not fair, you have to dethrone the leaders and beat them no matter the route laid out, if you dont you simply are irrelevant to them. Canada has failed to get any traction at Concacaf cause we do a lousy job in the boardroom, we are weak there and we dont know how to be strong on issues. Given that we set up our teams to work harder to get to the top, win the game on the field each time, overcome dicy referees, make it definitive, dont focus on the negative just go ahead and do it. Hopefully that is Harts view, versus waisting energy whining "its not fair", send ten thousand canadian fans to a Gold Cup game and you will start getting your calls and your respect, when you dont do that your not relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFCRegina Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 This title is a Captain Obvious question... with a Captain Obvious answer. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 quote:Originally posted by puskas Also Mexico and USA being the group winners (which was almost a given) are facing third place teams while Canada being first from the toughest group must face a very tough second place opponent in Hondurus. You would think the first place of the toughest group would get treated better. If this was track and field, Canada would have to run 150m while USA and Mexico have to run 100m. It is not equal at all. Yup, and even if Mexico or USA finish 2nd, the bracket is still rigged to allow for a USA-MEX final. That's why I would absolutely LOVE it if Guadeloupe can beat Mexico today and Mexico finishes in 3rd place! Not likely to happen though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesW Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 Guadeloupe are a good looking team, I wouldn't be surprised if they get the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianfoot Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 Ok since I am still a bit tipsy from yesterday After Honduras who do we play(if we get thru)? Quarter Final 18 July Canada 17 : 00 Honduras United States 20 : 00 Group A3/Group C3 19 July Group C2 15 : 00 Costa Rica Group C1 18 : 00 Haiti Semi Final 23 July Winner Quarter Final 1 19 : 00 Winner Quarter Final 2 Winner Quarter Final 3 22 : 00 Winner Quarter Final 4 So we play the USA again? QuarterFinal 1vs2? That's fuc..ed</u> QuarterFinal 1vs4 & 2vs3 would be more interesting in the SemiFinals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivaldo Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 quote:Originally posted by orletafc QuarterFinal 1vs4 & 2vs3 would be more interesting in the SemiFinals Why would that be more interesting? Organizers wouldn't want 2 vs 3 because Mexico could end up in QF #3 and play USA in the semis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuscan Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 Us playing the US + questionable officiating would make for yet another cracking good semi-final fix! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 I don't have much problem with this. Mexico and the US are the favourite for this tournament and having them potentially, if they finish 1st of their group, on both sides of the bracket is normal IMO. That being said, I don't like the fact there's no draw in this tournament, it's pathetic. Place Mexico and USA in 2 different group with the winners set to play the best third, fine, but please have a draw for the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 quote:Originally posted by loyola I don't have much problem with this. Mexico and the US are the favourite for this tournament and having them potentially, if they finish 1st of their group, on both sides of the bracket is normal IMO. I don't have a problem with that either. What I have a problem with is even if they finish 2nd in their group they stay in opposite halves of the bracket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Trillium Canada has failed to get any traction at Concacaf cause we do a lousy job in the boardroom, we are weak there and we dont know how to be strong On first try I read it as "cause we do a lousy job in the bedroom". I don't know about ANY issues with CONCACAF whatsoever. Of course the USA needs a reserve of 30, and we have to play the 2nd place team as well. (sarcasm alert) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownbear Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 Why the *$&%@ doesn't the CSA grab some balls and get all of the smaller countries (most of whom hate Mexico and the US too) to come together and refuse to play in the next Gold Cup unless there is a public draw. Boycott the event until it is more professional and fair. Having said that, if the Panama-Nicaragua scoreline stays unchanged (3-0 right now), any Mexico loss will set up a USA-Mexico quarter-final match. And I would laugh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianfoot Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 Just do some lobbying like Brasil,India & South Africa did for the G20 opposing the G7+1 quite effectively. I think that the rest of CONCACAF countires should "propose" right now as this Gold Cup is going on that the next shall have a Draw. In case CONCACAF tell them they need 50years to implement such changes. Just make it happen at the next AGM or simply VOTE by internet...Anyway Jack Warner is to stay in his seat at least until 2011....... The Real Question is How the Fu...does the US get 8 out of 10 Gold Cups(the remaining 2 they Co-Hosted)? Is it all about Venues? C'mon Canada could host the Gold Cup We Have 2stadiums while the 3rd Group could play in Edmonton or somewhere around. Or is there simply too much money coming in from TV Rights & Sponsors from the US to CONCACAF? I can guarantee you that a Gold Cup in Canada would be a sellout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 ^ My impression is that the CSA had made a serious pitch for the GC, but was denied by the CONCACAF corporate sponsors. Perhaps if MLSE was involved or other CSA sponsors, but I think it's "common practice" for some "soft money" to flow through CONCACAF. I'm sure the guarantees provided by the USSF is huge enough to assure an American exclusivity. But it's just speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianfoot Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 The CSA seems to be like a puppet not a National Soccer Association at times......Really I believe that the Gold Cup in Canada would be a hit. Venues done we got them(3only required) TV Crews done. Sportsnet or CBC/SRC could pickup the Canada Games, as for Sponsors there would be the local Telus,Rogers, Nutrilite, etc. The big ones NIKE,UMBRO,etc would come too. Anyone knows if the CSA every debated in organising the GoldCup at home? Get the balls rolling maybe the fans (Voyageurs & respective Canadian Teams) should start lobbying their clubs at the local level to get some attention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 quote:Originally posted by orletafc The CSA seems to be like a puppet not a National Soccer Association at times......Really I believe that the Gold Cup in Canada would be a hit. Venues done we got them(3only required) TV Crews done. Sportsnet or CBC/SRC could pickup the Canada Games, as for Sponsors there would be the local Telus,Rogers, Nutrilite, etc. The big ones NIKE,UMBRO,etc would come too. Anyone knows if the CSA every debated in organising the GoldCup at home? Get the balls rolling maybe the fans (Voyageurs & respective Canadian Teams) should start lobbying their clubs at the local level to get some attention? I would agree that it would be a success if some matches were held in Canada, specifically Toronto and Montreal. Rumour was that a sponsor (Miller/Anhauser ?) was opposed to have BMO as one of the venues for this year. Negotiations to have certain sponsors for the Gold Cup are the realm of CONCACAF. (Adidas and Nike will not want to sponsor if PUMA is the CONCACAF choice.) So really, I just dunno what to think would be effective. However if we win this year, we more clout ... and maybe the CSA can lobby more effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballfreak Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Anyone else watching Mexico-Guadeloupe? That should answer the thread question pretty definitively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squizz1402635577 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Three letters for anyone who's wondering why the Gold Cup seems like nothing but a showcase for the US program: SUM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulliganl Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 quote:Originally posted by squizz Three letters for anyone who's wondering why the Gold Cup seems like nothing but a showcase for the US program: SUM. SUM canadian guys writing about soccer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Weren't there rumors that we were suppose to host 2009? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Macksam Weren't there rumors that we were suppose to host 2009? It was wikipedia who started it. I don`t think there was really some foundations, the person who wrote it wrote it awkwardly for something on wikipedia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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