CANADIAN HYPOCRICY

Robert · February 6, 2018

Do some 85 of the Voyageurs that post on this forum adhere to a double standard?

I can already hear my ever-growing anti-Robert fan club sharpening their knives on this one, because, yes, they are constitutionally incapable of taking an honest look at themselves.

On the one hand, why is it that gifted Canadian-born soccer players like Owen Hargreaves and Jonathan de Guzman are constantly vilified as traitors, in threads appearing on this board, for choosing to pursue their international soccer careers with national soccer association that take a far more serious approach to the beautiful game than the CSA does? While on the other hand these same Voyageurs idolize 14 of the 63 (actually there are only 62, but the CSA webmaster thinks Samuel Piette is so good, he put him on there twice. Ssshh, don't tell anyone) players that the CSA currently advertises on its website as belonging to the Canadian Men's National Team and are born in foreign countries?

1) Milan Borjan - born in Knin, CRO

2) Jayson Leutwiler - born in Neuchâtel, SUI

3) Samuel Adekugbe - born in London, ENG

4) Scott Arfield - born in Livingston, SCO

5) La'Vere Corbin-Ong - born in London, ENG

6) Juan Córdova - born in Los Andes, CHI

7) Amer Didic - born in Zenica, BIH

8) Caniggia Elva - born in Vieux Fort, LCA

9) Kianz Froese - born in La Habana, CUB

10) Simeon Jackson - born in Kingston, JAM

11) Dejan Jaković - born in Karlovac, CRO

12) Manjrekar James - born in Roseau, DMA

13) Wandrille Lefèvre - born in Chartres, FRA

14) Jordan Schweitzer - born in Dallas, TX, USA

https://www.canadasoccer.com/men-s-national-team-p144311#CANMNT

Canada Soccer's Men's National Team

Canada Soccer's Men's National Team competes in FIFA World Cup Qualifiers across each four-year cycle, with Canada looking ahead to qualification for the 2022 FIFA World Cup Qatar™. The Men's National Team Program is led by head coach John Herdman.

In 2017, Canada posted an international record of four wins, three draws, and two losses, including a quarter-final finish at the 2017 CONCACAF Gold Cup. At home, Canada strives to play good football while showcasing passion for the game in front of their 12th man, the #CanadaRED supporters. In 2017, those fans had a positive impact on the players as they won at home 2:1 in June and then 2:0 in September.

In 2018, Canada will also participate in the new CONCACAF League of Nations, the new national teams competition platform created to maximize the match dates presented with the FIFA international calendar. The League of Nations has been created to provide an avenue for more meaningful and quality international soccer matches while uniting the CONCACAF region through competition.

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Canada are two-time CONCACAF champions, having won the CONCACAF Championship in 1985 and the CONCACAF Gold Cup in 2000. In winning the 1985 CONCACAF Championship, Canada qualified for the 1986 FIFA World Cup Mexico™; in winning the 2000 CONCACAF Gold Cup, Canada qualified for the FIFA Confederations Cup Korea/Japan 2001.

Canada Soccer's Men's National Youth Teams, meanwhile, have won two CONCACAF titles: both the 1986 and 1996 CONCACAF Men's Youth Championships. Canada have qualified for eight editions of the FIFA U-20 World Cup and six editions of the FIFA U-17 World Cup.

#CANMNT

MILAN BORJAN

MARCO CARDUCCI

MAXIME CRÉPEAU

JAYSON LEUTWILER

QUILLAN ROBERTS

SIMON THOMAS

SAMUEL ADEKUGBE

FRASER AIRD

TESHO AKINDELE

SCOTT ARFIELD

NANA ATTAKORA

KWAME AWUAH

KYLE BEKKER

LOUIS BÉLAND-GOYETTE

MARCO BUSTOS

LUCAS CAVALLINI

JAY CHAPMAN

DAVID CHOINIÈRE

LA'VERE CORBIN-ONG

JUAN CORDOVA

ALPHONSO DAVIES

MARCEL de JONG

AMER DIDIC

JAMAR DIXON

DAVID EDGAR

RAHEEM EDWARDS

CANIGGIA ELVA

BEN FISK

KIANZ FROESE

LUCA GASPAROTTO

DANIEL HABER

MARCUS HABER

JORDAN HAMILTON

DONEIL HENRY

DAVID JUNIOR HOILETT

ATIBA HUTCHINSON

SIMEON JACKSON

ANTHONY JACKSON-HAMEL

DEJAN JAKOVIC

MANJREKAR JAMES

WILL JOHNSON

MILOVAN KAPOR

MARK-ANTHONY KAYE

CYLE LARIN

RICHIE LARYEA

NIK LEDGERWOOD

WANDRILLE LEFÈVRE

BRETT LEVIS

BEN McKENDRY

PATRYK MISIK

ASHTONE MORGAN

JONATHAN OSORIO

TYLER PASHER

SAMUEL PIETTE

MICHAEL PETRASSO

SAMUEL PIETTE

TOSAINT RICKETTS

JORDAN SCHWEITZER

ADAM STRAITH

RUSSELL TEIBERT

MAXIM TISSOT

KRIS TWARDEK

STEVEN VITORIA

jpg75 · February 6, 2018

Traitors!

BradMack · February 6, 2018

2 hours ago, Robert said:

Do some 85 of the Voyageurs that post on this forum adhere to a double standard?

I can already hear my ever-growing anti-Robert fan club sharpening their knives on this one, because, yes, they are constitutionally incapable of taking an honest look at themselves.

On the one hand, why is it that gifted Canadian-born soccer players like Owen Hargreaves and Jonathan de Guzman are constantly vilified as traitors, in threads appearing on this board, for choosing to pursue their international soccer careers with national soccer association that take a far more serious approach to the beautiful game than the CSA does? While on the other hand these same Voyageurs idolize 14 of the 63 (actually there are only 62, but the CSA webmaster thinks Samuel Piette is so good, he put him on there twice. Ssshh, don't tell anyone) players that the CSA currently advertises on its website as belonging to the Canadian Men's National Team and are born in foreign countries?

1) Milan Borjan - born in Knin, CRO

2) Jayson Leutwiler - born in Neuchâtel, SUI

3) Samuel Adekugbe - born in London, ENG

4) Scott Arfield - born in Livingston, SCO

5) La'Vere Corbin-Ong - born in London, ENG

6) Juan Córdova - born in Los Andes, CHI

7) Amer Didic - born in Zenica, BIH

8) Caniggia Elva - born in Vieux Fort, LCA

9) Kianz Froese - born in La Habana, CUB

10) Simeon Jackson - born in Kingston, JAM

11) Dejan Jaković - born in Karlovac, CRO

12) Manjrekar James - born in Roseau, DMA

13) Wandrille Lefèvre - born in Chartres, FRA

14) Jordan Schweitzer - born in Dallas, TX, USA

1) Milan Borjan..... https://www.thespec.com/sports-story/6721306-national-team-keeper-milan-borjan-is-paying-back-canada/

2) Jayson Leutwiler...... Never going to play for the Swiss again.

3) Sam Adekugbe.......Never going to play for England.

4) Scott Arfield....... Repeatedly ignored by Scotland, even so far as recieving well wishes from the manager on his switch.

5) La'Vere Corbin-Ong........ Never going to make England, we might even lose him to Malaysia because he doesn't believe he can make Canada

6) Juan Cordova..... Long shot to make Chile now, and at the time he commited to Canada he was a nobody in the second division

7) Amer Didic...... Much like Borjan left a wartorn country and Canada took his family in, literally has no memories of BIH because he was 1 year old when he came to Canada.

8) Cannigia Elva.... Was mostly developed in Canada, and if youre saying its okay for players to leave because the CSA isn't serious than what is the St. Lucian FA?

9) Kianz Froese...... Cubans who live outside of the dictatorship are not allowed to play for Cuba, and I don't know why they would want to.

10) Simeon Jackson..... Moved here when he was 3, literally has no memories of Jamaica.

11) Dejan Jakovic..... Like Borjan and Didic, moved here at a young age to escape war, in Jako's case, 6 years old.

12) Manjrekar James...... Never kicked a ball in DMA, moved here at 9, started playing soccer in Canada a year later.

13) Wandrille Lafevre..... Come on, he's not a chance at cracking France.

14) Jordan Schweitzer..... Zero interest from USA.

Grizzly · February 6, 2018

Damn from the title I thought this thread was going to be about the number of countries we invade and bomb while claiming to be for human rights and democracy!

Vince193 · February 6, 2018

3 hours ago, BradMack said:

1) Milan Borjan..... https://www.thespec.com/sports-story/6721306-national-team-keeper-milan-borjan-is-paying-back-canada/

2) Jayson Leutwiler...... Never going to play for the Swiss again.

3) Sam Adekugbe.......Never going to play for England.

4) Scott Arfield....... Repeatedly ignored by Scotland, even so far as recieving well wishes from the manager on his switch.

5) La'Vere Corbin-Ong........ Never going to make England, we might even lose him to Malaysia because he doesn't believe he can make Canada

6) Juan Cordova..... Long shot to make Chile now, and at the time he commited to Canada he was a nobody in the second division

7) Amer Didic...... Much like Borjan left a wartorn country and Canada took his family in, literally has no memories of BIH because he was 1 year old when he came to Canada.

8) Cannigia Elva.... Was mostly developed in Canada, and if youre saying its okay for players to leave because the CSA isn't serious than what is the St. Lucian FA?

9) Kianz Froese...... Cubans who live outside of the dictatorship are not allowed to play for Cuba, and I don't know why they would want to.

10) Simeon Jackson..... Moved here when he was 3, literally has no memories of Jamaica.

11) Dejan Jakovic..... Like Borjan and Didic, moved here at a young age to escape war, in Jako's case, 6 years old.

12) Manjrekar James...... Never kicked a ball in DMA, moved here at 9, started playing soccer in Canada a year later.

13) Wandrille Lafevre..... Come on, he's not a chance at cracking France.

14) Jordan Schweitzer..... Zero interest from USA.

When it comes to Froese I actually wonder if there is kind of a grey area because of Cuba and Canada's good relations. I think there was a guy who played for Montreal in the older days who was a Cuban international and he even said he didn't flee he emigrated from Cuba to Canada.

Vince193 · February 6, 2018

In the case of guys like JDG, who told us "oh I'd like to play with my bro" and then bolted when the Dutch called him it does leave a bad taste. Same with Hargreaves who gets cut from one U15 camp and then is like "fuck y'all". Begovic repped us at youth level but then left when Bosnia said he would start for them.

There are those who I can't get mad at like Cristante. Dude's Italian through and through, or Tomori who did play for us but really out of convenience since England didn't know who he was and he's pretty much completely English. (I think there's a chance he plays for us down the road though)

Robert · February 6, 2018

4 minutes ago, Vince193 said:

When it comes to Froese I actually wonder if there is kind of a grey area because of Cuba and Canada's good relations. I think there was a guy who played for Montreal in the older days who was a Cuban international and he even said he didn't flee he emigrated from Cuba to Canada.

Eddy Sebrango?

Olympique_de_Marseille · February 6, 2018

Robert, just like posting half the pictures on the CSA website into your opening post when links would have done the job, doesn't make any sense, so our love for the #CanMNT doesn't make any sense.

It's tribalism at it's purest. I don't care where they were born, as long as they play for us.

I love the #CanMNT more than you love the CAPS LOCK button.

dbailey62 · February 6, 2018

1 hour ago, Robert said:

Eddy Sebrango?

He'd be the guy.

Robert · February 6, 2018

4 hours ago, BradMack said:

1) Milan Borjan..... https://www.thespec.com/sports-story/6721306-national-team-keeper-milan-borjan-is-paying-back-canada/

2) Jayson Leutwiler...... Never going to play for the Swiss again.

3) Sam Adekugbe.......Never going to play for England.

4) Scott Arfield....... Repeatedly ignored by Scotland, even so far as recieving well wishes from the manager on his switch.

5) La'Vere Corbin-Ong........ Never going to make England, we might even lose him to Malaysia because he doesn't believe he can make Canada

6) Juan Cordova..... Long shot to make Chile now, and at the time he commited to Canada he was a nobody in the second division

7) Amer Didic...... Much like Borjan left a wartorn country and Canada took his family in, literally has no memories of BIH because he was 1 year old when he came to Canada.

8) Cannigia Elva.... Was mostly developed in Canada, and if youre saying its okay for players to leave because the CSA isn't serious than what is the St. Lucian FA?

9) Kianz Froese...... Cubans who live outside of the dictatorship are not allowed to play for Cuba, and I don't know why they would want to.

10) Simeon Jackson..... Moved here when he was 3, literally has no memories of Jamaica.

11) Dejan Jakovic..... Like Borjan and Didic, moved here at a young age to escape war, in Jako's case, 6 years old.

12) Manjrekar James...... Never kicked a ball in DMA, moved here at 9, started playing soccer in Canada a year later.

13) Wandrille Lafevre..... Come on, he's not a chance at cracking France.

14) Jordan Schweitzer..... Zero interest from USA.

Justification is better left to those more qualified to do so. The most common difference, which you have so accurately pointed out, is the fact that 7 out of those 14 players; Leutwiler, Adekugbe, Arfield, Corbin-Ong, Cordova, Lafevre & Schweitzer, weren't good enough to play for the national teams of the countries they were born in, while that certainly was not the case for players like Owen Hargreaves and Jonathan de Guzman.

Grizzly · February 6, 2018

6 hours ago, BradMack said:

9) Kianz Froese...... Cubans who live outside of the dictatorship are not allowed to play for Cuba, and I don't know why they would want to.

2 hours ago, Vince193 said:

When it comes to Froese I actually wonder if there is kind of a grey area because of Cuba and Canada's good relations. I think there was a guy who played for Montreal in the older days who was a Cuban international and he even said he didn't flee he emigrated from Cuba to Canada.

2 hours ago, Robert said:

Eddy Sebrango?

I actually had a fairly long discussion with Sebrango about Cuba once. I don't remember the exact details of what he said anymore but he had a pretty balanced view about what is good and bad in his country and the positives and negatives of its government. He also does a lot of positive things for Cubans like raising money to buy soccer balls and equipment to bring to areas where children could not afford them.

As for Cuba being a dictatorship, it depends how you define dictatorship but I don't think we people living in military oligarchies claiming to be democracies should be too smug about that. Like many communist countries, officials with different ideas do get elected in Cuban communities to shape party ideology at national committees. Is that any different that what happens here? Do you or I have any more influence on our government than the average Cuban? Are our political parties in Canada really opposition parties independent of the corporations that fund all of them? When we get unanimous votes in the House of Commons for issues that should be highly controversial in any real democracy like whether we should bomb Libya does that suggest we really have opposition parties? What about opposition press? We always hear countries are cracking down on opposition newspapers, name me one opposition newspaper of any importance in Canada or the US. Not to mention that many of the wars we participate in create the humanitarian crisis that BradMack is saying Canada saved some of our dual citizen players from. Ghaddaffi made Libya into the country with the highest standard of living in Africa, how are things there now? We really helped the Libyans out didn't we, just like we saved the Iraqis and Syrians and are now saving the Yemenis with our blockade and bombing. When there are humanitarian crisis in other countries, Cuba sends them doctors, Canada sends them bombs. I have been to other countries where the government was repressive and no one wanted to talk politics and believe me Cuba is not one of them. I had a lot of open discussions about politics in Cuba.

Cuba is obviously a poorer country than Canada for reasons I will not go into here. However, you could say that about most Caribbean countries most of whom are capitalist democracies allied with the West and have not had decades of sanctions levied against them by their closest neighbour and dominant regional power. If you have traveled to other Caribbean countries, the quality of life is in general much better in Cuba even if it is far from Canadian standards. The Cuban government deserves a lot of the credit for that. It is also very hard if not impossible to be a sovereign country not under US hegemony and be democratic because any democratic system will be corrupted by US and western money. Look at Haiti if you want to compare what democracy brings to poor Caribbean countries. Canada itself has a very violent and malevolent role in Haiti's history, including the Meech Lake conference no one knows about in which Canada, the US and France planned the overthrow of Aristide because he wanted Haitian resources to benefit Haitians not Western corporations and even worse he was demanding the US return the Gold it stole from Haiti and France to repay the money it blackmailed Haiti to pay that made it an impoverished and indebted country. Why is the Haitian revolution never studied in our schools even though it was one of the greatest and most important revolutions in world history?

I think players that grew up and played soccer in Canada should play for Canada. Those who are coming from war torn countries I have a lot more open view about. Should Libyan or Syrian refugees feel obligated to play for a country that played a large part in making them refugees and destroying their country? Note that we have a Syrian Canadian former TFC player playing for a team in Aleppo, a city that not much more than a year ago we were hearing daily news stories about how it would be a bloodbath if it fell to government forces and that Assad would massacre everyone in Eastern Aleppo. Funnily enough no western media was able to visit the area of Eastern Aleppo while it was controlled by our ISIS and Al Qaeda allies but were able to once the government took it yet there were no reports of massacres or mass killings unlike what happened when our forces took Mosul. I remember talking to a woman from Aleppo at the time who told me everyone in Aleppo was celebrating their liberation from the Islamists and being a united city again and yet in Canada her phone was full of messages from Canadian friends watching the news telling her how sorry they were for what was happening there.

Hypocrisy was a good name for this thread.

matty · February 6, 2018

@Grizzly are you RT?

ted · February 6, 2018

LOL, that's pretty funny.

Anyone who plays for Canada is a hero, while anyone who could, and does not, is a traitor. Pretty simple "patriotism" and no "hypocrisy" involved.

I think you need to review the meaning of the word.

hy·poc·ri·sy

həˈpäkrəsē/

noun

the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

Grizzly · February 6, 2018

17 minutes ago, matty said:

@Grizzly are you RT?

Nope I have just lived in and visited a lot of countries and follow pretty closely what happens there. Most of what happens does not conform to what we are told to believe by our schools, government and media nor to any sort of decent moral standard and most is largely due to western military, political and economic rule over most of the planet (and those countries whose governments are not ruled by us we are trying awfully hard to overthrow). If we believe in human rights and democracy why does the US have 700 to 1400 military bases (depending on which estimate you believe) in other countries? If western democracies are such a force for good why are we constantly at war? And the idea that Canada is a good country believing in humanitarianism and the US is doing all the bad things is patently false, we help them and participate in their crimes in every imaginable way and profit from them enormously especially with huge Canadian mining sector that is raping places like Africa and Central America. What moral position does any Canadian have to call Cuba a country that is a dictatorship that no one should want to play for? How many countries has Cuba bombed and invaded compared to Canada?

matty · February 6, 2018

10 minutes ago, Grizzly said:

Nope I have just lived in and visited a lot of countries and follow pretty closely what happens there. Most of what happens does not conform to what we are told to believe by our schools, government and media nor to any sort of decent moral standard and most is largely due to western military, political and economic rule over most of the planet (and those countries whose governments are not ruled by us we are trying awfully hard to overthrow). If we believe in human rights and democracy why does the US have 700 to 1400 military bases (depending on which estimate you believe) in other countries? If western democracies are such a force for good why are we constantly at war? And the idea that Canada is a good country believing in humanitarianism and the US is doing all the bad things is patently false, we help them and participate in their crimes in every imaginable way and profit from them enormously especially with huge Canadian mining sector that is raping places like Africa and Central America. What moral position does any Canadian have to call Cuba a country that is a dictatorship that no one should want to play for? How many countries has Cuba bombed and invaded compared to Canada?

dude it was a joke i don't want to read your 300 word reply which is a lot of info i mostly already have read elsewhere. you don't need to do the political rants to reply here man. it's a fucking soccer forum

Grizzly · February 6, 2018

By the way RT has its strengths and weaknesses. Its strengths are that it has a lot of very good journalists and commentators many who would not be given any place in our so called free press because they will not say what they are told. Most of these journalists are western and some of them have been fired and blacklisted from western media for again not saying what they were supposed to. RT also gives people a different perspective, that of Russia and its government, which is a perspective our western media does not portray and which is every bit as legitimate as the perspective we get on our equally controlled media. Indeed people should be getting several different perspectives on issues if they want to have some sort of fair and unbiased opinion of an issue. The bad things about RT are it is some of its coverage has a bit Fox News/tabloid style, their website often has click bait sensationalist stuff which draws viewers but is not great journalism and it is a bit low budget (Al Jazeera has much better coverage of most world news and is my favourite news broadcaster and relatively unbiased except about the Middle East in which they are extremely biased).

The recent crackdown on RT and making it register as foreign agents in the US is against every idea of freedom of press and the type of thing we would condemn if it was Putin doing it not the US. Clearly the alternate views on issues that RT shows are not something our governments want us to see and it is not like RT is very widely available or watched to begin with but even that is apparently unacceptable. And as I mentioned about opposition news media, RT is the closest we have to that in either Canada or the US. We complain about Putin cracking down on opposition media but at least Russia has an opposition media. I can name you several newspapers or radio stations in Russia that are opposition. I can not name any Canadian opposition stations or newspapers because there are none.

matty · February 6, 2018

15 minutes ago, Grizzly said:

By the way RT has its strengths and weaknesses. Its strengths are that it has a lot of very good journalists and commentators many who would not be given any place in our so called free press because they will not say what they are told. Most of these journalists are western and some of them have been fired and blacklisted from western media for again not saying what they were supposed to. RT also gives people a different perspective, that of Russia and its government, which is a perspective our western media does not portray and which is every bit as legitimate as the perspective we get on our equally controlled media. Indeed people should be getting several different perspectives on issues if they want to have some sort of fair and unbiased opinion of an issue. The bad things about RT are it is some of its coverage has a bit Fox News/tabloid style, their website often has click bait sensationalist stuff which draws viewers but is not great journalism and it is a bit low budget (Al Jazeera has much better coverage of most world news and is my favourite news broadcaster and relatively unbiased except about the Middle East in which they are extremely biased).

RT is heavily biased more so than many other state operations but does cover many stories that are overlooked. It's bias however is very bad to the point that it's a glaringly confused channel on many topics ranging from Trump to climate change to economics.

15 minutes ago, Grizzly said:

The recent crackdown on RT and making it register as foreign agents in the US is against every idea of freedom of press and the type of thing we would condemn if it was Putin doing it not the US. Clearly the alternate views on issues that RT shows are not something our governments want us to see and it is not like RT is very widely available or watched to begin with but even that is apparently unacceptable. And as I mentioned about opposition news media, RT is the closest we have to that in either Canada or the US. We complain about Putin cracking down on opposition media but at least Russia has an opposition media. I can name you several newspapers or radio stations in Russia that are opposition. I can not name any Canadian opposition stations or newspapers because there are none.

The registration made sense given RT's nature and mostly agreed on role in the world as propagandist (that said I don't agree with their singling out). You're also wrong on it's availability, it is widely available and included in most cable packages and has a sizeable viewership and other channels like CGTN or Al Jazeera (as you said) do a better job than RT does presenting different view points. And Canada has many outlets that are critical of Canada and our Government and operate with great freedom ranging from the right (TheRebel) to left (Now) and even outlets like CBC are rather critical.

Also only replying now because RT is actually a really interesting topic

Robert · February 6, 2018

1 hour ago, ted said:

LOL, that's pretty funny.

Anyone who plays for Canada is a hero, while anyone who could, and does not, is a traitor. Pretty simple "patriotism" and no "hypocrisy" involved.

I think you need to review the meaning of the word.

hy·poc·ri·sy

həˈpäkrəsē/

noun

the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

I know what the word hypocrisy means, however, people here might want to review what "www" stands for, as the Whole Wide World could be reading along with us. LOL.

Unnamed Trialist · February 6, 2018

6 hours ago, Grizzly said:

Damn from the title I thought this thread was going to be about the number of countries we invade and bomb while claiming to be for human rights and democracy!

Me too. Or our mining companies committing human rights violations against local populations the world over. Or the Canadian version of BLM when indigenous lives clearly don't.

Or Canadian spelling skills--atrocious!!

Joe MacCarthy · February 6, 2018

Damn, Chub you put a lot of work into that original post. What was your point again?

Unnamed Trialist · February 6, 2018

1 hour ago, dsqpr said:

Surely that should be "atrosious"!

Oh I jumped there, I thought I really had mispelled it.

What I don't get is what I am supposed to do with not being "hypocritical" as Robert defines it. I mean, what is the frigging point of being a fan if you can't be partisan? And if you are a fan of your country, which is how the system works for international football, why the hell should you be equanimous about someone not representing you when they could, they said they would, they did then betrayed you, or they were just a bunch of self-serving douche bags?

The whole point of being a fan is being biased, totally and unreasonably, and sticking with the bias. Otherwise we'd watch and follow teams for other reasons, like shirt colour or hair cuts.

HYPOCRISY is not an insult or an even remotely damning ethical reprobation when it comes to being a fan. I want the rival team to get an unfair penalty against them, and I want to get one in my favour. Imagine, winning a spot in the HEX with an offside goal. We are all going to go out barefoot in a gravel pit and flaggelate ourselves for a few days, and not watch the HEX?

Ansem · February 6, 2018

Hypocrisy is hardly a trait that's purely Canadian. We're all guilty of it at some point.

Troll thread

BradMack · February 7, 2018

9 hours ago, Robert said:

Justification is better left to those more qualified to do so. The most common difference, which you have so accurately pointed out, is the fact that 7 out of those 14 players; Leutwiler, Adekugbe, Arfield, Corbin-Ong, Cordova, Lafevre & Schweitzer, weren't good enough to play for the national teams of the countries they were born in, while that certainly was not the case for players like Owen Hargreaves and Jonathan de Guzman.

I don't understand this... Are you saying you're somehow more qualified than me...? Is that because you post more than me or have been around longer? Or do you think I just don't understand basic reasoning?

So strange personal shots out of the way... Yes a common theme is that we take other countries hand me down players. we are ranked well below these countries so it makes a lot of sense how many teams have guys from Brazil playing for them? Its not the same as a guy who is from here and can make a significant contribution to our country and really do something positive, going full merc on us with countries they have no history in. That is why you can be pissed off at a OH and not Cristante. Or players that use our federal funding only to switch at the top level.

For what its worth, out of those 7 players you point out, I think 3 of them probably aren't good enough for Canada either, and Arfield doesn't really belong there as He's clearly good enough for Scotland but they basically told him to fuck off to Canada.

Also just to add to this, You aren't completely wrong on this. I think the player who is questionable on this list is Elva. He could make a difference for St. Lucia, but will never make the World Cup with them. I am deffinitly biased in this example as I like to cheer for exciting prospects. But I don't think its the same for the rest of the 14.

BradMack · February 7, 2018

11 hours ago, Vince193 said:

When it comes to Froese I actually wonder if there is kind of a grey area because of Cuba and Canada's good relations. I think there was a guy who played for Montreal in the older days who was a Cuban international and he even said he didn't flee he emigrated from Cuba to Canada.

If you mean Sebrango he stopped playing for Cuba when he left in '99. Its not the players choice, if you leave youre done with the nats.

BradMack · February 7, 2018

1 hour ago, dsqpr said:

My whole point is that it is indeed hypocritical and a double standard to cheer for Scotty Arfield while hating Owen Hargreaves. However, I do not say that it is wrong. That is up to each individual to decide for himself.

I agree that it is not entirely different in theory, but the circumstances are different. On one hand Scotty tried and waited for Scotland until he was like 27. The manager told him good luck, go to Canada. Whereas we needed OH and wanted him and he jumped ship as soon as he could.

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