BREAKING NEWS: Rob Friend is leading the Fraser Valley bid in BC

[Ansem]

So is Surrey Fraser Valley, yes or no?

[SpursFlu]

Technically not sure. But is Burnaby Vancouver? No but that doesn't stop everyone from taking a few skytrain stations to support the Canucks and Whitecaps.  

I suggest checking out who plays in the Fraser Valley Soccer League

For me it perfectly captures who is the Fraser Valley

http://www.fraservalleysoccer.com/standings.php

[GuillermoDelQuarto]

5 hours ago, Macksam said:

Yeah, even though I said catering to one demo would not be for the best, colours are okay. 

Orange is definitely heavily associated with us, and it is one of our main colours, but I think dark royal blue and yellow/gold represent us a little better. 

Have blue as the main colour with yellow as the secondary akin to Boca Juniors for example. One of either Brampton or Surrey should utilize this scheme. It is a great combo.

wait, are you sikh?

and I'm not gonna use that symbol exactly, but do you think something in the same style might work?  I don't wanna go over the top but if you can pay homage respectfully thats the aim.

[Macksam]

27 minutes ago, GuillermoDelQuarto said:

wait, are you sikh?

and I'm not gonna use that symbol exactly, but do you think something in the same style might work?  I don't wanna go over the top but if you can pay homage respectfully thats the aim.

Yes sir.

Maybe do something similar to the Buffalo Sabres. Have two crossed blades and something (letters of the city for example) above it.

[GuillermoDelQuarto]

13 minutes ago, Macksam said:

Yes sir.

Maybe do something similar to the Buffalo Sabres. Have two crossed blades and something (letters of the city for example) above it.

why the blades?

[Macksam]

1 hour ago, GuillermoDelQuarto said:

why the blades?

Out of all three, it seems the best to utilize if one wants to go this direction. The double edged sword and the chakkar (a circular bladed frisbee like weapon), the middle part of the above symbol, would be more difficult to ultilize. Having the blades with the handles crossed work well for the base of a club badge/logo, and it can have multiple meanings.

[GuillermoDelQuarto]

47 minutes ago, Macksam said:

, and it can have multiple meanings.

are you able to elaborate on this?

[GuillermoDelQuarto]

@Macksam also, do you think this would be considered offensive in any way to the sikh community?

and is it likely to alienate other parts of the community if it were surrey?

[SpursFlu]

My thought is if there was a subtle nod to that community and there were Indo Canadians involved in the organization it could work all around. If it's over the top and it's a bunch of outsiders it would fall flat all around. I can't see that happening. Besides, I think CSA would not want any teams that could be considered ethnic or at least blatantly ethnic. They would be smart to broadcast games in Punjabi, maybe a supporters group, community outreach, lots of good players in the Valley etc

[Macksam]

56 minutes ago, GuillermoDelQuarto said:

@Macksam also, do you think this would be considered offensive in any way to the sikh community?

and is it likely to alienate other parts of the community if it were surrey?

I don't think so. So many non-Sikh things have used crossed swords that it shouldn't alienate non-Sikh fans.

1 hour ago, GuillermoDelQuarto said:

are you able to elaborate on this?

Oh I was just talking in general about how two crossed swords whether at the blades or handles is depicted quite a bit when it comes to logos, symbols, flags, coat of arms and in general. Meaning was the wrong word to use. I mean't it's been used enough that it shouldn't alienate non-Sikhs from becoming fans.

[SpursFlu]

Maybe if you created a badge with the Peach Arch, Valley with river running, dagger or crossed swords, tractor. Surrey also has the world's largest Canadian flag which was from expo. Maybe incorporate all those things in to a badge. Oh and include a drive bye shooting and a grow op. Sorry couldn't resist a Surrey joke : ) but the first bit would be good

[ThiKu]

On 6/18/2017 at 5:01 PM, Gopherbashi said:

Yeah, seems way out of where I would've expected a team.

Is there any history of a team in the PCSL or other comparible BC league in this area?

Have to assume they'd be looking at Surrey to capitalize on skytrain traffic and of course being based not only in Canada's fastest growing city, but also in a city that has a thriving football community (issues aside - lots of kids and adults play there!)

[ThiKu]

On 6/18/2017 at 7:24 PM, GuillermoDelQuarto said:

so, and forgive my ignorance, is it possible that Fraser Valley in this case is actually Surrey, or somewhere on the outskirts of it?

yes. Surrey is the western most end of the Fraser Valley. I think the confusion on here is that Surrey is in the Greater Vancouver Regional District (as is Langley - Chilliwack and Abbotsford are not in GVRD).

[ThiKu]

10 hours ago, Ansem said:

So is Surrey Fraser Valley, yes or no?

yes

[Ansem]

My prediction for Metro Vancouver Area:

Metro Vancouver, with a population of 2.4M people, can support more than 1 franchise club.

• Vancouver, with a population of 631k people, a CPL team is possible if they target Empire Field and build a pop up there or permanent structure. CPL needs a Vancouver team to maximize it's TV contract potential.

 

• Surrey, with a population of 517k, is fully capable of having it's own team and can draw fans from the entire Metro area as well. It would be a perfect location for a 1st division team and great way for CPL to enter the Vancouver Metro area.

 

***A team in Burnaby will very likely be a way for CPL to implement their own Vancouver team if Empire Field can't be used for a CPL team. The Whitecaps and BC Lions played at Empire Field (20k seats pop up stadium) near the border of Vancouver and Burnaby during BC Place renovations, so I don't think Burnaby would mind their team being called "Vancouver". (Correct me if I'm wrong) With a population of 239k, it could draw fans from the entire Metro Area while bearing the name "Vancouver" in the 1st Division.

Richmond has a population of around 200k. It has the population for a club in the second tier down the road if there's a demand locally.

[Kent]

10 hours ago, ThiKu said:

Have to assume they'd be looking at Surrey to capitalize on skytrain traffic and of course being based not only in Canada's fastest growing city

Sorry for getting off topic, but this stuff interests me. Is there a metric that supports the fastest growing city claim? I don't mean to call you out, but I'm genuinely interested if there is something for me to read or numbers to look at. Based on growth between 2011 and 2016 census there are municipalities that have grown faster than Surrey. A few I spot checked include Calgary, Edmonton, Brampton, and Regina. Surrey is definitely up there though, and based on some googling it looks like it definitely is the fastest growing city in BC.

[Ansem]

2 minutes ago, Kent said:

Sorry for getting off topic, but this stuff interests me. Is there a metric that supports the fastest growing city claim? I don't mean to call you out, but I'm genuinely interested if there is something for me to read or numbers to look at. Based on growth between 2011 and 2016 census there are municipalities that have grown faster than Surrey. A few I spot checked include Calgary, Edmonton, Brampton, and Regina. Surrey is definitely up there though, and based on some googling it looks like it definitely is the fastest growing city in BC.

It's up around 10% since the 2011 census. It's in the ballpark of Regina (11%) but not as high as Calgary and Edmonton (13%-14%)

[SpursFlu]

Not going to argue what is the fastest growing city because that's kinda silly but I will say. I was in Calgary last year and have to say that growth has to be front loaded because I saw a lot of vacancies and halted projects and not too much positivity around growth. Surrey on the other hand has been steadily growing and is just now really heating up. Also I know someone disagreed with me but moving forward Langley has really just turned in to a extension of the Surrey area. Langley folk may not agree but it's true. And Langley's growth I think is out pacing Surrey

[Admin]

Surrey was at one point the fastest growing city for some time. It may have fallen behind as there is only so much space combined with Vancouver's general realestate madness.  I think this was some time ago. 

They had the chance to learn from every other city how not to build one.... they didn't.

 

 

 

 

[shermanator]

1 hour ago, SpursFlu said:

Not going to argue what is the fastest growing city because that's kinda silly but I will say. I was in Calgary last year and have to say that growth has to be front loaded because I saw a lot of vacancies and halted projects and not too much positivity around growth. Surrey on the other hand has been steadily growing and is just now really heating up. Also I know someone disagreed with me but moving forward Langley has really just turned in to a extension of the Surrey area. Langley folk may not agree but it's true. And Langley's growth I think is out pacing Surrey

2017 results are not out yet, but based on 2016 census results, Calgary is still growing slightly. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see some decline in growth given the extended economic worries in the city.

Anecdotally, many friends of mine who are born and raised in Calgary are starting to move to BC, and some friends of mine who moved to Calgary from eastern Canada are starting to move back. Guess more than a few people moved here, got their oil money, and bailed when the times got rough.

Downtown Calgary is noticeably quieter than it was in 2014, although it's slowly starting to pick back up. I've noticed more job postings relevant to my field pop up, and am starting to get recruiters trying to fill positions calling me again.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-civic-census-results-2016-1.3687258

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

1 hour ago, SpursFlu said:

Not going to argue what is the fastest growing city because that's kinda silly but I will say. I was in Calgary last year and have to say that growth has to be front loaded because I saw a lot of vacancies and halted projects and not too much positivity around growth. Surrey on the other hand has been steadily growing and is just now really heating up. Also I know someone disagreed with me but moving forward Langley has really just turned in to a extension of the Surrey area. Langley folk may not agree but it's true. And Langley's growth I think is out pacing Surrey

If it was going to be a Surrey based team it probably would have been described as that in the tweet? Think in an Ontario context you would probably use Mississauga rather than Peel region if a team was going to be based in Mississauga in a similar sort of way, but maybe that's over-analyzing things.

[Complete Homer]

7 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

If it was going to be a Surrey based team it probably would have been described as that in the tweet? Think in an Ontario context you would probably use Mississauga rather than Peel region if a team was going to be based in Mississauga in a similar sort of way, but maybe that's over-analyzing things.

I'm thinking it's probably more along the lines of "somewhere outside of downtown Vancouver". Similar to the Saskatchewan group that hasn't committed to a site yet

I think they are among the #8-#10 groups with formal expressions of interest 

[harrycoyster]

5 minutes ago, Complete Homer said:

I'm thinking it's probably more along the lines of "somewhere outside of downtown Vancouver". Similar to the Saskatchewan group that hasn't committed to a site yet

I think they are among the #8-#10 groups with formal expressions of interest 

Well it's definitely somewhere between Surrey and Chilliwack, with Langley being most likely. Definitely not going to be Coquitlam or Burnaby even though they are outside of downtown Vancouver.

[SkuseisLoose]

7 hours ago, Ansem said:

My prediction for Metro Vancouver Area:

Metro Vancouver, with a population of 2.4M people, can support more than 1 franchise club.

• Vancouver, with a population of 631k people, a CPL team is possible if they target Empire Field and build a pop up there or permanent structure. CPL needs a Vancouver team to maximize it's TV contract potential.

 

• Surrey, with a population of 517k, is fully capable of having it's own team and can draw fans from the entire Metro area as well. It would be a perfect location for a 1st division team and great way for CPL to enter the Vancouver Metro area.

 

***A team in Burnaby will very likely be a way for CPL to implement their own Vancouver team if Empire Field can't be used for a CPL team. The Whitecaps and BC Lions played at Empire Field (20k seats pop up stadium) near the border of Vancouver and Burnaby during BC Place renovations, so I don't think Burnaby would mind their team being called "Vancouver". (Correct me if I'm wrong) With a population of 239k, it could draw fans from the entire Metro Area while bearing the name "Vancouver" in the 1st Division.

Richmond has a population of around 200k. It has the population for a club in the second tier down the road if there's a demand locally.

I would be great to have another team in vancouver. I would personally go and watch them over the whitecaps just because I think the small team atmosphere would be more enjoyable. Don't know the possibility of this but have the field at swanguard  maybe.

[SpursFlu]

I'm 99.9% sure it wouldn't be Langley. Reason is Langley is the definition of Suburban sprawl. Big Box stores, strip malls, families, white picket fences etc. There is no viable locations and the city has shown no interest of such a project with the entertainment options surrounding it. Surrey on the other hand is chomping at the bit for such a thing. Even a few years ago the Mayor was tweeting at the Caps to bring W2 to Surrey.

1 - I  think Cloverdale Fairgrounds as part of an even larger development would be the most likely. There is already Casino there and its next to the Heritage city centre which kinda nice and is being re developed and maintaining that character. They have 5000 seat bleacher already there hwith lots of room. City owned land which makes everything a lot easier 

2 - Pop up stadium in the City Center next to skytrain with plans for a permanent stadium. Problem with that is that real estate in privately owned and is much more valuable to a developer as towers and such. Maybe a large development to include the Lions but there are too many moving parts for that to happen in the next couple years.

 

3 - maybe they think Surrey is too close to the Caps and they go full Valley and go all the way out to Abbotsford. If there is a team that comes about I'm pretty confident it will be 1 of those 3 options

 

My bad, a thought turned in to more and I was in a bit of a rush