matty Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 http://www.rednationonline.ca/Articles2016/StateofthegameinCanadaMLSTFCIIandthe.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Real Talk: Is anyone else slightly worried that the May to October model (mentioned in the Halifax dox iirc) will hurt the league? I mean what are they going to do for pre-seaon since all other leagues will have started like a month or two prior? Are players going to be free to take contracts during the offseason (eg like ISL)? Do you guy worry give MLS two months unchallenged for attention will hurt the leagues reach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 2 hours ago, matty said: Real Talk: Is anyone else slightly worried that the May to October model (mentioned in the Halifax dox iirc) will hurt the league? Nope. I see no realistic alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Just now, ted said: Nope. I see no realistic alternative. I was asking does this worry anyone not what alternatives do you see. I agree April is going to be a struggle at the current time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex D Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I hope they push into April. Every Canadian team has already played a home game this year. Sure they may be some freak snow but those games are special in their own way. Alternatively, every match is played in Victoria from March through May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Man, I can't wait for TFC2 to join the CPL so that people start taking the Battle of Ontario seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 5 hours ago, matty said: Real Talk: Is anyone else slightly worried that the May to October model (mentioned in the Halifax dox iirc) will hurt the league? I mean what are they going to do for pre-seaon since all other leagues will have started like a month or two prior? Are players going to be free to take contracts during the offseason (eg like ISL)? Do you guy worry give MLS two months unchallenged for attention will hurt the leagues reach? You're right that it probably isn't ideal, but it probably is better than having flat attendance your first 4 matches because of temperature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zem Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 4 hours ago, Alex D said: Every Canadian team has already played a home game this year. Ottawa doesn't play their first home game until tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuillermoDelQuarto Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 9 hours ago, matty said: Real Talk: Is anyone else slightly worried that the May to October model (mentioned in the Halifax dox iirc) will hurt the league? I mean what are they going to do for pre-seaon since all other leagues will have started like a month or two prior? Are players going to be free to take contracts during the offseason (eg like ISL)? Do you guy worry give MLS two months unchallenged for attention will hurt the leagues reach? 6 hours ago, ted said: Nope. I see no realistic alternative. Shrug, as far as i'm concerned, we're the opinion leaders on the subject. If we talk about it in a negative way, people will see it as a negative. If we figure out a positive way to spin it I don't see why I should be an issue. You can't hate a startup for being a startup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex D Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Zem said: Ottawa doesn't play their first home game until tomorrow. My bad, I was off a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grasshopper1917 Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 I'm having a slight CPL panic monument. I just tuned in Ottawa's home opener against TFC2 and it looks like no one is at the game. All I see is empty seats. Maybe most people are sitting on the side with the cameras? Looks terrible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 10 minutes ago, grasshopper1917 said: I'm having a slight CPL panic monument. I just tuned in Ottawa's home opener against TFC2 and it looks like no one is at the game. All I see is empty seats. Maybe most people are sitting on the side with the cameras? Looks terrible! From what I've typically seen of Ottawa games, the crowd is on the same side as the camera. Agree that it looks terrible. Though not nearly as terrible as that lonely little supporters bleacher behind the one net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1996 Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 1 hour ago, grasshopper1917 said: I'm having a slight CPL panic monument. I just tuned in Ottawa's home opener against TFC2 and it looks like no one is at the game. All I see is empty seats. Maybe most people are sitting on the side with the cameras? Looks terrible! This is what you will get by playing in these big stadiums like the one in Ottawa and the one in Hamilton, there was actually over 6000 people there today but the massive stadium sucked out any atmosphere there was. Imagine 6000 in a nice small pop up stadium or a Lamport type stadium, this is what this new league should be looking at not 25000 seats stadiums with 5 to 6000 people in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, 1996 said: This is what you will get by playing in these big stadiums like the one in Ottawa and the one in Hamilton, ... ...and the ones that would probably be used in Calgary and Winnipeg as well if the "original six" was accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 attendance for fury vs tfc2 6502 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 1 minute ago, matty said: attendance for fury vs tfc2 6502 Shows that people in at least one of the target markets will show up in numbers for MLS B teams on the one hand, but if you want to see what people are concerned about where atmosphere is concerned check out what the live stream looked like: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said: Shows that people in at least one of the target markets will show up in numbers for MLS B teams on the one hand, but if you want to see what people are concerned about where atmosphere is concerned check out what the live stream looked like: it's down from 7023 for last year's opening match against miami. i don't think anyone should take this as proof of anything. but we should continue to watch the ottawa numbers. fury are also claiming otherwise about atmosphere but that's expected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said: Shows that people in at least one of the target markets will show up in numbers for MLS B teams on the one hand, but if you want to see what people are concerned about where atmosphere is concerned check out what the live stream looked like: Shows that people in at least one of the target markets will show up in numbers for a "minor pro league" on the one hand, but if you want to see what people are concerned about where atmosphere against an MLS B team is concerned check out what the live stream looked like: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuillermoDelQuarto Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 its a shame that the camera is facing the wrong direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Gopherbashi said: ...but if you want to see what people are concerned about where atmosphere against an MLS B team is concerned check out what the live stream looked like: How do you think it differed from any other Ottawa Fury game? The crowd was on the high end for a Fury game but that still means that about three-quarters of the seats are empty and that looks really bad on television when combined with a field turf playing surface that is obviously really meant for another sport given the two stand format and bizarre looking bleachers supporter section behind one goal that looks nothing like what you normally see from overseas in pro soccer. This sort of approach didn't work during the original CSL or in the early years of MLS. Pop-ups are the better way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 1 minute ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said: How do you think it differed from any other Ottawa Fury game? The crowd was on the high end for a Fury game but that still means that about three-quarters of the seats are empty and that looks really bad on television when combined with a field turf playing surface that is obviously really meant for another sport given the two stand format and bizarre looking bleachers supporter section behind one goal that looks nothing like what you normally see from overseas in pro soccer. This sort of approach didn't work during the original CSL or in the early years of MLS. Pop-ups are the better way to go. Quack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Really constructive. How about trying to address the arguments? It would appear that you can't, but you are so desparate for a Canadian league to emerge that you'll go along with anything this CPL comes up with even when it involves an approach to the matchday entertainment product that has failed dismally previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Larger stadiums can work (at least for TV) if the teams plan it out correctly. There are definite issues but it's workable. hopefully ownership knows what it's doing in this regard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 It absolutely screams minor league when you can't even fill the lower bowl of a two tier stadium but the stated reason for why they don't want MLS B teams involved is that they don't want to appear minor league, which seems like a bit of a paradox given they actually do appear to expect to have crowds in the 6,000 - 8,000 range similar to what the Fury vs TFC II had. The whole approach that is envisaged by the Ticats is fundamentally flawed unless they are able to draw FC Cincinnatti level crowds and make their product appear reasonably like the big time, because people are now very much used to seeing 20,000+ at TFC, Impact and Whitecaps games as being the norm for the D1 level in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Anyone know the lower bowl seating for Hamilton, Calgary and Winnipeg's stadiums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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