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I posted this at Ontario Soccer Talk a month or so ago. It's a starting point - JM

Here is a quick list of players I've compiled who will be eligible for the senior men's pool. Just so nobody jumps on my back, I did this in about a minute, some players may be too old, some too young, and some out of position.. I also hurriedly assorted them into a sort of depth chart as accurate as I can be in a minute (which isn't too accurate). Have fun.

Goalkeepers

Lars Hirschfeld - Valarenga (Norwegian Tippeliga) (1)

Milan Borjan - FK Rad (Superliga Srbija) (1)

Haidar Al-Shaibani - Nimes Olympique (France Ligue 2) (2)

David Monsalve

Roberto Stillo - Genoa CFC (Italian Serie A) (1) Primavera

Michal Misiewicz - Polonia Bytom (Polish Extraklasa) (1) Youth

Jordan Santiago - Cardiff City (English Championship) (2) Reserves

Julien Latendresse-Levesque - Energie Cottbus II (German Regionalliga North/Northeast) (4)

Kenny Stamatopoulos - AIK Stockholm (Swedish Allsvenskan) (1)

Greg Sutton - Red Bull New York (Major League Soccer) (1)

Defenders

Dejan Jakovic - DC United (Major League Soccer) (1)

Mike Klukowski - Ankaragucu (Turkish Super Liga) (1)

Kevin McKenna - FC Köln (German Bundesliga 1) (1)

Jaime Peters - Ipswich Town (English Championship) (2)

Adam Straith - Energie Cottbus (German Bundesliga 2) (2)

David Edgar - Burnley (English Championship) (2)

Andre Hainault - Houston Dynamo (Major League Soccer) (1)

Nana Attakora - Toronto FC (Major League Soccer) (1)

Adrian Cann - Toronto FC (Major League Soccer) (1)

Chris Pozniak - FK Haugesund (Norwegian Tippeliga) (1)

Ante Jazic - Chivas USA (Major League Soccer) (1)

Paul Stalteri - Borussia Monchengladbach (German Bundesliga 1) (1)

Daniel Imhof - St. Gallen (Swiss Super League) (1)

Ethan Gage - Reading (English Championship) (2) Reserves

Midfielders

Atiba Hutchinson - PSV Eindhoven (Dutch Eredivisie) (1)

Julian de Guzman - Toronto FC (Major League Soccer) (1)

Will Johnson - Real Salt Lake (Major League Soccer) (1)

Marcel de Jong - FC Augsburg (German Bundesliga 2) (2)

Patrice Bernier - FC Nordsjælland (Danish Superliga) (1)

Issey Nakajima-Farran - AC Horsens (Danish Superliga) (1)

Terry Dunfield - Vancouver Whitecaps (Major League Soccer) (1)

Pedro Pacheco - Santa Clara (Portuguese Liga de Honra) (2)

Nikolas Ledgerwood - Wehen Wiesbaden (German 3.Liga) (3)

Jonathan Bourgault - Preussen Munster (German Regionalliga West) (4)

Eddy Sidra

Philippe Davies - Vancouver Whitecaps (Major League Soccer) (1)

Isidro Sanchez - Puebla FC (Mexican Primera Division) (1)

Sandro Grande - FK Suduva (Lithuanian A Lyga) (1)

Forwards

Josh Simpson - Manisaspor FC (Turkish Super Liga) (1)

Simeon Jackson - Norwich (English Championship) (2)

Rob Friend - Hertha Berlin (German Bundesliga 2) (2)

Olivier Occean - Kickers Offenbach (German 3.Liga) (3)

Dwayne De Rosario - Toronto FC (Major League Soccer) (1)

Ali Gerba - Montreal Impact

Iain Hume - Preston North End (English Championship) (2)

Tomasz Radzinski - Lierse SK (Belgian Jupiler League) (1)

Tosaint Ricketts - FC Timisoara (Romanian Ligi I) (1)

Marcus Haber - West Bromwich Albion (English Premier League) (1) Reserves

Massih Wassey - Fortuna Dusseldorf II (German Regionalliga West) (4)

Andrew Ornoch

Julian Uccello - AS Casale (Italian Serie C2) (4) on loan from Crotone (Italian Serie B) (2)

Gavin McCallum - Lincoln City (English League Two) (4)

Frank Jonke - AC Oulu (Finnish Veikkausliiga) (1)

Mason Trafford - IFK Mariehamn (Finnish Veikkausliiga) (1)

Martin John - Cardiff City (English Championship) (2)

Kennedy Owusu-Ansah - RoPS (Finnish Veikkausliiga) (1) Unattached?

Charles Gbeke - Guangzhou FC (Chinese Jia League) (2)

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I have edited the below list to be a bit more reasonable...Thankyou Joe for posting the more indepth one though.

I posted this at Ontario Soccer Talk a month or so ago. It's a starting point - JM

Goalkeepers

Lars Hirschfeld - Valarenga (Norwegian Tippeliga) (1)

Milan Borjan - FK Rad (Superliga Srbija) (1)

Haidar Al-Shaibani - Nimes Olympique (France Ligue 2) (2)

Kenny Stamatopoulos - AIK Stockholm (Swedish Allsvenskan) (1)

Greg Sutton - Red Bull New York (Major League Soccer) (1)

(u20) Roberto Stillo - Genoa CFC (Italian Serie A) (1) Primavera

(u20) Michal Misiewicz - Polonia Bytom (Polish Extraklasa) (1) Youth

(u20) Julien Latendresse-Levesque - Energie Cottbus II (German Regionalliga North/Northeast) (4)

Defenders

Dejan Jakovic - DC United (Major League Soccer) (1)

Mike Klukowski - Ankaragucu (Turkish Super Liga) (1)

Kevin McKenna - FC Köln (German Bundesliga 1) (1)

Jaime Peters - Ipswich Town (English Championship) (2)

Adam Straith - Energie Cottbus (German Bundesliga 2) (2)

David Edgar - Burnley (English Championship) (2)

Andre Hainault - Houston Dynamo (Major League Soccer) (1)

Nana Attakora - Toronto FC (Major League Soccer) (1)

Adrian Cann - Toronto FC (Major League Soccer) (1)

Chris Pozniak - FK Haugesund (Norwegian Tippeliga) (1)

???Daniel Imhof - St. Gallen (Swiss Super League) (1)

(u20) Ethan Gage - Reading (English Championship) (2) Reserves

Midfielders

Atiba Hutchinson - PSV Eindhoven (Dutch Eredivisie) (1)

Julian de Guzman - Toronto FC (Major League Soccer) (1)

Will Johnson - Real Salt Lake (Major League Soccer) (1)

(LB??) Marcel de Jong - FC Augsburg (German Bundesliga 2) (2)

Patrice Bernier - FC Nordsjælland (Danish Superliga) (1)

Issey Nakajima-Farran - AC Horsens (Danish Superliga) (1)

Terry Dunfield - Vancouver Whitecaps (Major League Soccer) (1)

Pedro Pacheco - Santa Clara (Portuguese Liga de Honra) (2)

(DF??) Nikolas Ledgerwood - Wehen Wiesbaden (German 3.Liga) (3)

Jonathan Bourgault - Preussen Munster (German Regionalliga West) (4)

Eddy Sidra

Philippe Davies - Vancouver Whitecaps (Major League Soccer) (1)

Isidro Sanchez - Puebla FC (Mexican Primera Division) (1)

Forwards

Josh Simpson - Manisaspor FC (Turkish Super Liga) (1)

Simeon Jackson - Norwich (English Championship) (2)

Rob Friend - Hertha Berlin (German Bundesliga 2) (2)

Olivier Occean - Kickers Offenbach (German 3.Liga) (3)

Dwayne De Rosario - Toronto FC (Major League Soccer) (1)

Ali Gerba - Montreal Impact

Iain Hume - Preston North End (English Championship) (2)

Tomasz Radzinski - Lierse SK (Belgian Jupiler League) (1)

Tosaint Ricketts - FC Timisoara (Romanian Ligi I) (1)

Marcus Haber - West Bromwich Albion (English Premier League) (1) Reserves

Julian Uccello - AS Casale (Italian Serie C2) (4) on loan from Crotone (Italian Serie B) (2)

Gavin McCallum - Lincoln City (English League Two) (4)

???Frank Jonke - AC Oulu (Finnish Veikkausliiga) (1)

???Mason Trafford - IFK Mariehamn (Finnish Veikkausliiga) (1)

???Martin John - Cardiff City (English Championship) (2)

I deleted a few guys, like GBEKE.

I would add:

DF/MF - Kevin Harmse (no sooner than 2012)

(u20) DF - Doneil Henry

(u20) MF - Nicholas Lindsey

MF - Gianluce Zavarise

(u20) MF - Ashtone Morgan

(u20) MF - Russell Teibert

Cordon (Position?)

(u20) FW/MF - Makubuya

(u20) MF - Stinson

(u17) FW - Kevan Elemann (spelling)

MF - Matt Lam (Japan)

FC EDMONTON SQUAD: http://www.fcedmonton.com/content/2011-roster ???

Yes, I would realistically put some of these u20 (and u17!) "stars" in the full world cup roster squad. No, we will never put out 5-6+ u20-aged players at one time on the pitch. BUT, what is stopping Canada from calling a friendly or training camp heavy in u20 and u23-aged players. Why not call-up an Ethan Gage to the full world cup squad for a friendly. Gage is superior to David Edgar I'd suggest.

And yes...stop bringing up Tam, Bunbury, David Hoilett, and JDG2. If they want to play, then talk about them. Otherwise...

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Players who have been called/capped in the past year, listed by number of caps. * denotes players not called in the past year but who are listed on the CSA site player pool.

GK:

33 - Hirschfeld

16 - Sutton *

4 - Wagenaar (unattached) *

2 - Borjan

1 - Monsalve (unattached)

1 - Al Shaibani

DF:

84 - Stalteri

49 - McKenna

29 - Klukowski

25 - J. Peters

18 - Hainault

16 - deJong

10 - Jakovic

9 - Cann

7 - Ledgerwood

6 - Straith

3 - Sidra (unattached)

1 - Attakora

MF:

52 - Hutchinson

45 - Bernier

44 - deGuzman

15 - W. Johnson

3 - Pacheco

3 - J. Beaulieu-Bourgault

2 - D. Edgar

2 - Dunfield

1 - C. Rivas *

FW/OM:

55 - deRosario

32 - J. Simpson

29 - Friend

29 - Hume

29 - Gerba *

24 - Issey NF

19 - Occean

15 - S. Jackson

5 - Ademolu (unattached) *

2 - Ricketts

2 - M. Wassey

1 - M. Haber

1 - G. McCallum

1 - Zaravize

1 - Edwini-Bonsu *

0 - Uccello

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Players who have been called/capped in the past year, listed by number of caps. * denotes players not called in the past year but who are listed on the CSA site player pool.

GK:

33 - Hirschfeld

16 - Sutton *

4 - Wagenaar (unattached) *

2 - Borjan

1 - Monsalve (unattached)

1 - Al Shaibani

DF:

84 - Stalteri

49 - McKenna

29 - Klukowski

25 - J. Peters

18 - Hainault

16 - deJong

10 - Jakovic

9 - Cann

7 - Ledgerwood

6 - Straith

3 - Sidra (unattached)

1 - Attakora

MF:

52 - Hutchinson

45 - Bernier

44 - deGuzman

15 - W. Johnson

3 - Pacheco

3 - J. Beaulieu-Bourgault

2 - D. Edgar

2 - Dunfield

1 - C. Rivas *

FW/OM:

55 - deRosario

32 - J. Simpson

29 - Friend

29 - Hume

29 - Gerba *

24 - Issey NF

19 - Occean

15 - S. Jackson

5 - Ademolu (unattached) *

2 - Ricketts

2 - M. Wassey

1 - M. Haber

1 - G. McCallum

1 - Zaravize

1 - Edwini-Bonsu *

0 - Uccello

Now if you take out the oldies that by the time W/c qualify comes along and age start to be a factor of consideration of call ups you left with a good base of player that should really inolved with calls up on a regular bases a rotation 35 is reasonable. the only concerns I see from your list above there are about 13 players that have not seen the pitch more then two times and very limited if they played.

I still think both Mccallum and Uccello should have a chance to be seen as i agree in past comments from other posts that i read. specially Mcallum as he has the only forward goal for this MNT I think and played the least time then all of them

DAVID C

I would like to know from your strikers list which ones have scored a goal in the amout of game they played.

i come up with MCallum and jackson only in the past while.

GK:

4 - Wagenaar (unattached) *

2 - Borjan

1 - Monsalve (unattached)

1 - Al Shaibani

DF:

25 - J. Peters

18 - Hainault

16 - deJong

10 - Jakovic

7 - Ledgerwood

6 - Straith

3 - Sidra (unattached)

1 - Attakora

MF:

52 - Hutchinson

15 - W. Johnson

3 - Pacheco

3 - JBB

2 - D. Edgar

2 - Dunfield

1 - C. Rivas *

FW/OM:

32 - J. Simpson

29 - Hume

24 - Issey NF

15 - S. Jackson

5 - Ademolu (unattached) *

2 - Ricketts

2 - M. Wassey

1 - M. Haber

1 - G. McCallum

1 - Zaravize

1 - Edwini-Bonsu *

0 - Uccello

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Wow thanks nice charts! If there are many opinions on first choices, maybe we should simply use a general rating system for each players, e.g. :

Forwards

Ali Gerba - Montreal Impact FC (NASL) (2) (*****)

Oliver Occean - Kickers Offenbach (German 3.Liga) (3) (***)

etc.

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how can we move forward TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF COMP LIKE W/C qualifying if we only scored like 6 goals with the list above with the remaing players in 25 appearance of a striker and it appears as well only 3 goals of the remaing midfielder but came from one person hutch

terrible stats IMO and something needs to be look at and in a hurry

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Now if you take out the oldies that by the time W/c qualify comes along and age start to be a factor of consideration of call ups you left with a good base of player that should really inolved with calls up on a regular bases a rotation 35 is reasonable. the only concerns I see from your list above there are about 13 players that have not seen the pitch more then two times and very limited if they played.

I still think both Mccallum and Uccello should have a chance to be seen as i agree in past comments from other posts that i read. specially Mcallum as he has the only forward goal for this MNT I think and played the least time then all of them

DAVID C

I would like to know from your strikers list which ones have scored a goal in the amout of game they played.

i come up with MCallum and jackson only in the past while.

GK:

4 - Wagenaar (unattached) *

2 - Borjan

1 - Monsalve (unattached)

1 - Al Shaibani

DF:

25 - J. Peters

18 - Hainault

16 - deJong

10 - Jakovic

7 - Ledgerwood

6 - Straith

3 - Sidra (unattached)

1 - Attakora

MF:

52 - Hutchinson

15 - W. Johnson

3 - Pacheco

3 - JBB

2 - D. Edgar

2 - Dunfield

1 - C. Rivas *

FW/OM:

32 - J. Simpson

29 - Hume

24 - Issey NF

15 - S. Jackson

5 - Ademolu (unattached) *

2 - Ricketts

2 - M. Wassey

1 - M. Haber

1 - G. McCallum

1 - Zaravize

1 - Edwini-Bonsu *

0 - Uccello

Boy you've taken trimming to a new level. How in Christ are we supposed to be successful with no veterans picked? Hirschfeld, McKenna, Klukowski, de Guzman, De Rosario, Gerba and Friend HAVE to be in the mix.

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DAVID C

I would like to know from your strikers list which ones have scored a goal in the amout of game they played.

i come up with MCallum and jackson only in the past while.

Well, here is the list of top active scorers (not just forwards), listed by goals scored (number of caps). Not sure about recent-only numbers:

15 - Gerba (29 caps)

15 - deRosario (56)

10 - McKenna (49)

7 - Stalteri (84)

4 - deGuzman (44)

3 - Hutchinson (52)

2 - S. Jackson (15)

2 - Hainault (18)

2 - Occean (19)

2 - Hume (28)

2 - Friend (30)

2 - Bernier (45)

1 - McCallum (1)

1 - deJong (16)

1 - Issey NF (24)

1 - J. Peters (25)

1 - J. Simpson (32)

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Boy you've taken trimming to a new level. How in Christ are we supposed to be successful with no veterans picked? Hirschfeld, McKenna, Klukowski, de Guzman, De Rosario, Gerba and Friend HAVE to be in the mix.

True but you cannot have them all playing when youth is in. look atGermany who got rid of all of their player and built a youth mens team prob relativly younger then most 4 years ago and they have step up in a seriuos contender for the world cup. Further if you look at other countries they too have drop considerable older players from their squad and today they too are contenders.

Look im not saying not to invite some of them but you cannot stack players in a forwards position like Gerba Ocean dero mckenna stalteri deguzman all ononeline so why bring them all. sure they have done good for mnt in their younger days but those day are over as far as I am concern. \|When was the last time any like one of these got a goal in a MNT uniform, Friend, Staleri Dero, ocean, gerba and i think you find your answer.

I guy like Mccallum comes in for 5 minutes and drives one in for the mnt and never seen again after his goal what are they a fraid of thqt he might score another for the mnt and somebody going to not be invited, it funny he has only played 5 minutes adn get one, but i keep aking myself what can he do if he played 90 minutes,humm the same with uccello who has the most potent shots from anywhere in the the box and is considered one of the best two touch ball as an attacker that i know of him and read about him. Defenders hate him in the box as he has that capablities if you give him juwst two touches its in the net.

na i disagree with the look you are suggesting using these older players that cannot produce and if you cannot produce goals im afraid that the journey to the w/c will be short and non productive.......

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World Cup qualifying starts in 5 months from now. The "oldies" are not really getting much older.

They are not producing, that is the problem I have. Come on 6 goals in how ever many games and none from attacker all from the defence and some and i mean some midfielders come on it will tough to prove me wrong,

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They are not producing, that is the problem I have. Come on 6 goals in how ever many games and none from attacker all from the defence and some and i mean some midfielders come on it will tough to prove me wrong,

You don't want your oldies, but you don't want Will Johnson because he's not good enough at this level as an MLS player and that Issey N-F can do his job. You don't want JDG, so who is playing in your midfield for WCQ?

We don't know what happens in the future but if they are still playing up to their level. If they still play good football they should still be called on this team. But yes, I want their younger backups to be ready to step up. Veterans are always needed on this team. We don't have that much depth so we need to rely on our best players at the moment the match is being played.

If we do it your way, roadrunner, I can guaranteee we won't qualify for Brazil.

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You don't want your oldies, but you don't want Will Johnson because he's not good enough at this level as an MLS player and that Issey N-F can do his job. You don't want JDG, so who is playing in your midfield for WCQ?

We don't know what happens in the future but if they are still playing up to their level. If they still play good football they should still be called on this team. But yes, I want their younger backups to be ready to step up. Veterans are always needed on this team. We don't have that much depth so we need to rely on our best players at the moment the match is being played.

If we do it your way, roadrunner, I can guaranteee we won't qualify for Brazil.

i never saif johnson should not be there i said he is not good enough for w/c starter he is a good sub but not 90 at the level stage WHICH REQUIRE MORE FINESSand and quality touches which he does not have and really other then a pure energy that he may have over most and described best as a raging bull with a red scarf over his eyes, is not quality at this level of the game on any refs in a w/c . hemay get away with it in MLS but he wont in a W/C qualifying rounds

however here are my midfileders that i would use far in front of him anytime and cannot compare with the quality and good vision of the game with a natural abilty to be where a players needs to be both on the field with and without the ball.

hutch, simpson, farran, dejong, jackson and i would add also pacheo to the starters

that my friend is your best midfielders on this team bar nobody else any combo here can get the well done

in the back it would be

hainault, jakic ledgerwood straith, and attkora

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Cheers - is that in a 442 or how would you describe the formation at Mana?

After re-watching most of Josh's goals from this year that are available online, it looks like a very attack-minded formation indeed, more of a 4-3-3 than the 4-2-3-1/ 4-5-1 that Canada is playing. The fascinating thing is how virtually all of his goals have been scored from right inside the box, especially quite central 1 v 1 with the keeper, real poachers goals.

Is there some way we can activate Josh, getting him closer to the box? Of course he is contributing a lot for Canada but I wonder if we can maximize his effectiveness? He seems to receive a lot of nice balls from the right at Mani, isn't responsible for most of the crossing, and is not playing really wide out on the wing in any of the highlights that I have seen. That one fellow Isaac Promise, aside from being African, reminds me of a taller version of Gerba the way he attacks (and ball hogs). Simpson cleans up a lot of his work in the end.

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After watching most of Josh's goals from this year that are available online, it looks like a very attack-minded formation indeed, more of a 4-3-3 than the 4-2-3-1/ 4-5-1 that Canada is playing. The fascinating thing is how virtually all of his goals have been scored from right inside the box, especially quite central 1 v 1 with the keeper, real poachers goals.

Is there some way we can activate Josh, getting him closer to the box? Of course he is contributing a lot for Canada but I wonder if we can maximize his effectiveness? He seems to receive a lot of nice balls from the right at Mani, is not playing alongside any guys of great height, and is not playing really wide out on the wing in any of the highlights that I have seen. That one fellow Isaac Promise, aside from being African, reminds me of a taller version of Gerba the way he attacks (and ball hogs). Simpson cleans up a lot of his work in the end.

You are absolutely right Simpson spends a ton of time in the box with his club while with us he is rarely able to get a good shot off in the box but I think we just have to sacrifice his goal scoring for his playmaking, he's basically one of the guys we count on to bring the ball up and not to be on the end of crosses, hopefully our target man can change that and send him in.

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You are absolutely right Simpson spends a ton of time in the box with his club while with us he is rarely able to get a good shot off in the box but I think we just have to sacrifice his goal scoring for his playmaking, he's basically one of the guys we count on to bring the ball up and not to be on the end of crosses, hopefully our target man can change that and send him in.

Playmakers are midfielders not strikers. Strikers do one thing and that is get the ball in the net in the least time possilbe touches., if we have to depend his playmaking and scarfice his goal scoring ability. who are we fooling here whne was his last itme he put one in the net for the MNT and for his teams and yo may agian find your answer.

If you have midfielder doing the strikers job then you have a problem in the midfeild. That you need to get it right and with players like johnson who is outclassed by simpson and does not accomadate simpson playmaking and for that matter a striker

get rid of johnson and you have a better line up

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hutch, simpson, farran, dejong, jackson and i would add also pacheo to the starters

that my friend is your best midfielders on this team bar nobody else any combo here can get the well done

in the back it would be

hainault, jakic ledgerwood straith, and attkora

This analysis right here sums up perfectly how seriously anyone should take this poster.

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The old 5-6-0. Classic formation.

who in the hell is suggesting those 11 as starters im saying anyone of those guys i mentioned is more then qualified to start over johnson and to add at the very least those 5 guys and maybe one a maybe could of missed.

i gave 5 backs and whatever 6 midflielder out of those you have your starting backs and midfielders.

i have not put in the strikers as there is none that can convince me they deserve that role.

JPG75 sorry if i mean well and hope the point i am making does not touch you r bells with some players that you may or may not agree but stats cannot be altered to prove a point they are facts and thats all im saying here.

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who in the hell is suggesting those 11 as starters im saying anyone of those guys i mentioned is more then qualified to start over johnson and to add at the very least those 5 guys and maybe one a maybe could of missed.

i gave 5 backs and whatever 6 midflielder out of those you have your starting backs and midfielders.

i have not put in the strikers as there is none that can convince me they deserve that role.

JPG75 sorry if i mean well and hope the point i am making does not touch you r bells with some players that you may or may not agree but stats cannot be altered to prove a point they are facts and thats all im saying here.

Hey, you know that a winger can't necessarly play in the central of the field? Johnson is a better DM than the guys you have aside from Hutch. I don't think we should play a 4-1-4-1 with Hutch in the hole. Johnson was even better than Hutch in the Greece game from my POV. You didn't put a left back. I won't say I could manage Canada, but with that team, I don't even think Canada's getting a sniff at the Hex. It's a team of players put there because you think they're good. Not because they can look good at a specific position which is how a team is composed. And by the way you talk about Johnson's lack of match fitness, but Pacheco has no problem with his match fitness. A guy who has played 90 minutes less times than Johnson in this calendar year.

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