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Its absurd to look at this result and be disappointed if you're a Canadian fan or excited if you're an American fan. This was just a training scrimmage. Nothing more, nothing less. Players on both sides were probably going at 75%.

You can't look into results like this and ruminate about it. It will drive you nuts.

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Starting XI = A team (1st string)

Next XI = B team (2nd string)

Next XI = C team (3rd string)

and so on...

So no, this is not a "B" team or a 2nd string team this is a bunch of young players of which most are on and probably always will be on the fringes of relevance for the USMNT.

My point is the last time we were up against the US at the Olympic level they wiped the field with us, and this type of result only serves to reinforce that this is likely to happen again if we face them next year with a spot for London 2012 on the line.

The A team is not the starting XI by anyone's definition. The A team is the first choice TEAM that would be called for a competition. In the World Cup the A team is 23 players and even that is an ideal A team because if you factor in injuries your A team probably comprises 25 or 26 players.

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The A team is not the starting XI by anyone's definition. The A team is the first choice TEAM that would be called for a competition. In the World Cup the A team is 23 players and even that is an ideal A team because if you factor in injuries your A team probably comprises 25 or 26 players.

Ah i see, so any time a team has their second stringers out there that's an 'A' team....almost sounds believable Grizzly.

Arizona Sahuaros is an NPSL (U23) team, similar to PDL. Here's their homepage/schedule/NPSL page:

http://www.azsahuaros.com/index.html

http://www.azsahuaros.com/gameinfo.html

http://nationalpremiersoccerleague.com/teams/21727632/14179188-21727684/TEAM.html

This is a horrible result. It's like getting beat by Forest City London or Ottawa Fury.

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Ah i see, so any time a team has their second stringers out there that's an 'A' team....almost sounds believable Grizzly.

Maybe you should look up the definitions of TEAM and Starting Line-Up. Maybe you should also consider what the club equivalent definitions are of 1st and 2nd team and what it means when someone says they have been promoted to the 1st team.

I do agree on the face of it the loss to Sahuaros looks bad but it is also hard to judge it without knowing who they have on their team. The report mentions that the Suhuaros keeper was former Impact and San Jose keeper Andrew Webber. If that is indicative of the calibre of player they have then the result is not so bad.

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Maybe you should look up the definitions of TEAM and Starting Line-Up. Maybe you should also consider what the club equivalent definitions are of 1st and 2nd team and what it means when someone says they have been promoted to the 1st team.

I do agree on the face of it the loss to Sahuaros looks bad but it is also hard to judge it without knowing who they have on their team. The report mentions that the Suhuaros keeper was former Impact and San Jose keeper Andrew Webber. If that is indicative of the calibre of player they have then the result is not so bad.

So then based on that criteria why did you call our team a "B" team? We certainly have most of our Top 23 players at this camp. Seems like you're using one definition for their team and another for ours.

FIFA and most club teams might define an "A" team or 1st team being 23 or 25 players, but shouldn't common sense prevail when trying to gauge the strength of a given lineup? There's a huge difference in the quality of a 1st string XI player in the USMNT pool compared to one who is 4th string, yet under your criteria one is considerer an "A" team player and the other a 'B" teamer.

Anyways, this is pointless, sorry for ranting.

Re: Sahuaros - the majority of players on their roster from last season were born between 1990 and 1987. Based on the names listed it looks like a pretty no-name group, certainly one we shouldn't be losing to.

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So then based on that criteria why did you call our team a "B" team? We certainly have most of our Top 23 players at this camp. Seems like you're using one definition for their team and another for ours.

FIFA and most club teams might define an "A" team or 1st team being 23 or 25 players, but shouldn't common sense prevail when trying to gauge the strength of a given lineup? There's a huge difference in the quality of a 1st string XI player in the USMNT pool compared to one who is 4th string, yet under your criteria one is considerer an "A" team player and the other a 'B" teamer.

Anyways, this is pointless, sorry for ranting.

Re: Sahuaros - the majority of players on their roster from last season were born between 1990 and 1987. Based on the names listed it looks like a pretty no-name group, certainly one we shouldn't be losing to.

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To put things into perspective, in 2008 our full U-23 team won 3-2 against UCSB in a friendly. A 2-1 loss to a PDL like team doesn't seems to be a scandalous result to me.

http://www.canadasoccer.com/tourney/FIFA_WC/game_profile.asp?gameId=1246⊂=2

FWIW, one of the players who attended the camp wrote to me that," The u23 camp was not one anyone would like to repeat."

Pretty much says it all.

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