Reality Bites Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Its absurd to look at this result and be disappointed if you're a Canadian fan or excited if you're an American fan. This was just a training scrimmage. Nothing more, nothing less. Players on both sides were probably going at 75%. You can't look into results like this and ruminate about it. It will drive you nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Starting XI = A team (1st string) Next XI = B team (2nd string) Next XI = C team (3rd string) and so on... So no, this is not a "B" team or a 2nd string team this is a bunch of young players of which most are on and probably always will be on the fringes of relevance for the USMNT. My point is the last time we were up against the US at the Olympic level they wiped the field with us, and this type of result only serves to reinforce that this is likely to happen again if we face them next year with a spot for London 2012 on the line. The A team is not the starting XI by anyone's definition. The A team is the first choice TEAM that would be called for a competition. In the World Cup the A team is 23 players and even that is an ideal A team because if you factor in injuries your A team probably comprises 25 or 26 players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 Canada U23 - Saghuaros 1:2 (1:0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 The A team is not the starting XI by anyone's definition. The A team is the first choice TEAM that would be called for a competition. In the World Cup the A team is 23 players and even that is an ideal A team because if you factor in injuries your A team probably comprises 25 or 26 players. Ah i see, so any time a team has their second stringers out there that's an 'A' team....almost sounds believable Grizzly. Arizona Sahuaros is an NPSL (U23) team, similar to PDL. Here's their homepage/schedule/NPSL page: http://www.azsahuaros.com/index.html http://www.azsahuaros.com/gameinfo.html http://nationalpremiersoccerleague.com/teams/21727632/14179188-21727684/TEAM.html This is a horrible result. It's like getting beat by Forest City London or Ottawa Fury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bob Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 They better have really been experimenting. Like, Randy Edwini-Bonsu was in goal or something. That's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 To put things into perspective, in 2008 our full U-23 team won 3-2 against UCSB in a friendly. A 2-1 loss to a PDL like team doesn't seems to be a scandalous result to me. http://www.canadasoccer.com/tourney/FIFA_WC/game_profile.asp?gameId=1246&sub=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Ah i see, so any time a team has their second stringers out there that's an 'A' team....almost sounds believable Grizzly. Maybe you should look up the definitions of TEAM and Starting Line-Up. Maybe you should also consider what the club equivalent definitions are of 1st and 2nd team and what it means when someone says they have been promoted to the 1st team. I do agree on the face of it the loss to Sahuaros looks bad but it is also hard to judge it without knowing who they have on their team. The report mentions that the Suhuaros keeper was former Impact and San Jose keeper Andrew Webber. If that is indicative of the calibre of player they have then the result is not so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Maybe you should look up the definitions of TEAM and Starting Line-Up. Maybe you should also consider what the club equivalent definitions are of 1st and 2nd team and what it means when someone says they have been promoted to the 1st team. I do agree on the face of it the loss to Sahuaros looks bad but it is also hard to judge it without knowing who they have on their team. The report mentions that the Suhuaros keeper was former Impact and San Jose keeper Andrew Webber. If that is indicative of the calibre of player they have then the result is not so bad. So then based on that criteria why did you call our team a "B" team? We certainly have most of our Top 23 players at this camp. Seems like you're using one definition for their team and another for ours. FIFA and most club teams might define an "A" team or 1st team being 23 or 25 players, but shouldn't common sense prevail when trying to gauge the strength of a given lineup? There's a huge difference in the quality of a 1st string XI player in the USMNT pool compared to one who is 4th string, yet under your criteria one is considerer an "A" team player and the other a 'B" teamer. Anyways, this is pointless, sorry for ranting. Re: Sahuaros - the majority of players on their roster from last season were born between 1990 and 1987. Based on the names listed it looks like a pretty no-name group, certainly one we shouldn't be losing to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bob Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 I think we can take the word of the authority on this one, Miro Kliment: Canadian U-23 team managed to lose another game,this time to a local Men's team in Arizona...??? 1:2...Same mess as with the U-20's... Canadian U-23 seems like bad selection and coaching got there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccerpro Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 So then based on that criteria why did you call our team a "B" team? We certainly have most of our Top 23 players at this camp. Seems like you're using one definition for their team and another for ours. FIFA and most club teams might define an "A" team or 1st team being 23 or 25 players, but shouldn't common sense prevail when trying to gauge the strength of a given lineup? There's a huge difference in the quality of a 1st string XI player in the USMNT pool compared to one who is 4th string, yet under your criteria one is considerer an "A" team player and the other a 'B" teamer. Anyways, this is pointless, sorry for ranting. Re: Sahuaros - the majority of players on their roster from last season were born between 1990 and 1987. Based on the names listed it looks like a pretty no-name group, certainly one we shouldn't be losing to. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 Next camp in around 1 month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masster Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Thanks for the updates Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Going into 2008, the results coming out of the camp weren't great and the team really performed at the tournament so I'm not too worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 To put things into perspective, in 2008 our full U-23 team won 3-2 against UCSB in a friendly. A 2-1 loss to a PDL like team doesn't seems to be a scandalous result to me. http://www.canadasoccer.com/tourney/FIFA_WC/game_profile.asp?gameId=1246⊂=2 FWIW, one of the players who attended the camp wrote to me that," The u23 camp was not one anyone would like to repeat." Pretty much says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 Another camp for our Olympic Team is going to be in LA at the end of Feb (23?) to Mar 4. Misiewicz is call for this camp, but I doubt if his team will let him go at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted February 3, 2011 Author Share Posted February 3, 2011 March 1 Canada U23 - CD Chivas USA March 4 Canada U23 - LA Galaxy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlueNose Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 It will be interesting to see how Curtis does against Chivas USA. He's in their training camp right now. Also, if Ashtone Morgan isn't healthy, I would like to see Flo Liu from UAB at left back In case you haven't seen it, here's his video from the past season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarnado1555362291 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Great look at Liu there, I agree he deserves an opportunity at left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Why wouldn't Morgan be healthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Why wouldn't Morgan be healthy? I know he played in the second half with TFC against Partizan Belgrade yesterday but his Uncle confirmed to me today he has been struggling with injuries! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Didn't he miss the last U23 camp because of injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Didn't he miss the last U23 camp because of injury? Yes, I think he had to return early because of injury! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlueNose Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 a little bit irrelevant to the thread, but rumor has it that Liu has transferred from UAB to UConn. Certainly puts him closer to the radar playing with one of the top 5 teams in college soccer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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