closetboostie Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 So which one of you rich guys has the dough to pay a decent team to play us AND bribe all the clubs to release the players for 5 days in August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada1 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I think we all agree that it is necessary. Unfortunatlely, there would be far to many obstacles to clear to make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Hart mentioned he was close to an August friendly before the camp started but it seems he's less optimistic now judging on his comments after Tuesday's match. Does anyone know if Panama has anything planned in between these matches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 So which one of you rich guys has the dough to pay a decent team to play us AND bribe all the clubs to release the players for 5 days in August. You dont need to bribe any club to release players. August 15 is on the FIFA calendar, so the clubs have to release players. And, the release period is 48 hours not five days. http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/worldfootball/calendar&live/51/52/61/110513_IMC-FIFA-dates-2010-2014-updateMay2011-EN_11-01240_101_EN_EN.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada1 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Hart mentioned he was close to an August friendly before the camp started but it seems he's less optimistic now judging on his comments after Tuesday's match. Does anyone know if Panama has anything planned in between these matches? Yes. Panama is to play Uruguay U23 Olympic team on July 15 in Uruguay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada1 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I think if Hart wants a friendly it has to be in Europe as the majority of the players are based there for the limited time frame. And bring in some others from Europe if our NA based players can't be released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squizz1402635577 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Based on Hart's comments during a media call today, don't get your hopes up about a friendly between now and September 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villus Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 CSA dropping the ball again, we have a big break till our next set of games which are hugely important, the whole 4 year cycle could depend on that and not having a game is unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Oh well, not like this home and home against Panama is important or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
closetboostie Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 You dont need to bribe any club to release players. August 15 is on the FIFA calendar, so the clubs have to release players. And, the release period is 48 hours not five days. http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/worldfootball/calendar&live/51/52/61/110513_IMC-FIFA-dates-2010-2014-updateMay2011-EN_11-01240_101_EN_EN.pdf Yup. I read the news too. Two facts that I'm sure I don't have to inform you of; 1) 48 hours is an extremely limited amount of time to accomplish what I'm sure Hart would like to before we see Panama. Half the time these players don't even train the first day they arrive to camp because they are still recovering from the weekend match. For the European players this would not be a problem as most of them would be pre-season, but for MLS certainly it would be. So while the window is only 48 hours it would be nice to get more time. 2) The end of the first point extends to the second one as certainly the MLS teams in particular would be upset if we pulled some of their key players (and ours) out and expected them at high intensity for two days so we could make some progress. There is major fixture congestion at that time. So while I was joking about the need to bribe teams the potential is always there for injury and decreased performance when they go back so I'm struggling to think of another way to make the clubs buy in! Tough to have a useful national team camp without the MLS players, they are a huge part of our squad. MLS schedule between August 10-August 19 Houston - Friday 10th, Sunday 19th DC- Saturday 11th, Sunday 19th Salt Lake- Saturday 11th, Saturday 18th Toronto- Saturday 11th, Wednesday 15h, Saturday 18th DC- Saturday 11th, Sunday 19th Montreal- Sunday 12th, Sunday 19th Chivas- Sunday 12th, Saturday 18th We need a friendly but it's tough to pull off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Yup. I read the news too. Two facts that I'm sure I don't have to inform you of; 1) 48 hours is an extremely limited amount of time to accomplish what I'm sure Hart would like to before we see Panama. Half the time these players don't even train the first day they arrive to camp because they are still recovering from the weekend match. For the European players this would not be a problem as most of them would be pre-season, but for MLS certainly it would be. So while the window is only 48 hours it would be nice to get more time. 2) The end of the first point extends to the second one as certainly the MLS teams in particular would be upset if we pulled some of their key players (and ours) out and expected them at high intensity for two days so we could make some progress. There is major fixture congestion at that time. So while I was joking about the need to bribe teams the potential is always there for injury and decreased performance when they go back so I'm struggling to think of another way to make the clubs buy in! Tough to have a useful national team camp without the MLS players, they are a huge part of our squad. MLS schedule between August 10-August 19 Houston - Friday 10th, Sunday 19th DC- Saturday 11th, Sunday 19th Salt Lake- Saturday 11th, Saturday 18th Toronto- Saturday 11th, Wednesday 15h, Saturday 18th DC- Saturday 11th, Sunday 19th Montreal- Sunday 12th, Sunday 19th Chivas- Sunday 12th, Saturday 18th We need a friendly but it's tough to pull off. We could always have a European based camp and I know Kreis would release Johnson. There are guys we could have a look at like Chencinski, REB, Di Chiara, Haber, Attakora, maybe even Cavallini and Saiko.. I'm sure their clubs would understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThiKu Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Euro-based camp with some u23 prospects plus a guy like Chencinski, and yep, Saiko, would be great. Could get a closed-door friendly to accomplish goals required to compete v. Panama appropriately and move on. Not ideal, but no reason not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 A lack of a prep. game, let alone even just a camp prior to the crucial home and away series against Panama is absolutely unacceptable. What the hell is the CSA doing? Spend some of those millions we all know you have in the bank cuz we've seen your financial statements and get at least a f-'in camp organized so Hart can get the boys training together for even a few days to work on some tactics, watch Panamanian game film etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Yes, Some kind of camp or friendly would be essential. But at the same time that Aug 15 date is terrible for FIFA to have put on their Calendar. I know that these dates (and the FIFA calendar) were negotiated and agreed upon several years back. But who did they negotiate with? the Group of 16? the Group of sixteen are all European clubs. For many North and South Americans who are based professionally in Europe that date occurs barely after they have joined their clubs for pre season camps and duties. Meaning, the typical players from the Americas would have left their home country to join their European clubs only to have to travel back to play international matches. This is maybe not a big deal for a majority of Europeans whereby an international call might consist of a one hour flight in the same time zone but for others it mean extensive travel and missing crucial professional time. Coincidence or not, we played crucial WCQ matches on that date in the past few cycles and our record is not very good on that specific date. OK, there might be other contributing factors as well. I dont know IF MLS sat at the table when these dates where negotiated but my guess is NO and that might explain the past reluctance of MLS to adhere to the calendar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFCRegina Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Yes, Some kind of camp or friendly would be essential. But at the same time that Aug 15 date is terrible for FIFA to have put on their Calendar. I know that these dates (and the FIFA calendar) were negotiated and agreed upon several years back. But who did they negotiate with? the Group of 16? the Group of sixteen are all European clubs. For many North and South Americans who are based professionally in Europe that date occurs barely after they have joined their clubs for pre season camps and duties. Meaning, the typical players from the Americas would have left their home country to join their European clubs only to have to travel back to play international matches. This is maybe not a big deal for a majority of Europeans whereby an international call might consist of a one hour flight in the same time zone but for others it mean extensive travel and missing crucial professional time. Coincidence or not, we played crucial WCQ matches on that date in the past few cycles and our record is not very good on that specific date. OK, there might be other contributing factors as well. I dont know IF MLS sat at the table when these dates where negotiated but my guess is NO and that might explain the past reluctance of MLS to adhere to the calendar We shouldn't be playing friendlies with the sole objective of winning though. We should be doing them to prep the team for when winning really matters. If that means we have a weakened team where we have some new guys in because MLSers can't make it, so be it. The real objective should be getting the bulk of the Euro based players together on that date. I'm ok with losing the match if it means the team is a bit sharper a month later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-collins Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 I think Free Kick was more concerned with results during "crucial WCQ matches". I am on the same page with you (both) in that this should be used as a chance to get in the guys' minds - it's only 3+ weeks before the critical home game against Panama... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSamurai Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 First I've heard of this. But ya, definitely need a friendly or camp at the very least. Maybe we could set up a friendly against either of the Irelands or Iceland. Heck a game against Luxembourg or Andorra is something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 First I've heard of this. But ya, definitely need a friendly or camp at the very least. Maybe we could set up a friendly against either of the Irelands or Iceland. Heck a game against Luxembourg or Andorra is something! Or a North African team, but played in Europe. The North African teams play a similar style to Panama. How about Egypt? Too fraught? (Not IN Egypt, mind you. Let's not play in Egypt, ever.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada1 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 We shouldn't be playing friendlies with the sole objective of winning though. We should be doing them to prep the team for when winning really matters. If that means we have a weakened team where we have some new guys in because MLSers can't make it, so be it. The real objective should be getting the bulk of the Euro based players together on that date. I'm ok with losing the match if it means the team is a bit sharper a month later. I disagree. In any sport it is better to go into a serious upcoming match on a winning note. This will keep their confidence up and belief that the team has a chance of being successful when playing the important Cup match. God forbid we take an International friendly lightly before a key match at this time of the competition. Selecting the right opposition is crucial and my thoughts would be a team at the same level of play. Someone like “Belarus”. It must be a tough match so as to rekindle the team’s mind set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcm144 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 This is quite a large gap without the CMNT playing from June 12th to Sept 7. They need a game in between. A friendly would be very valuable to have the players get on the right page with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSamurai Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Or a North African team, but played in Europe. The North African teams play a similar style to Panama. How about Egypt? Too fraught? (Not IN Egypt, mind you. Let's not play in Egypt, ever.) Egypt would likely crush us. We don't want to kill their spirits. Afterall didn't Egypt win the last African Cup of Nations? Morocco is also a good opponent. Or perhaps Israel? Could even play in Israel. Security wouldn't be an issue there. My vote goes for a local kids team from Ireland. I don't care who! Just something to get them playing together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcoatsforever Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I would prefer a friendly against a team with the same sort of flavour as Panama, but of sufficiently low quality to provide us with a serious ego-boost in the form of a 5(+) - 0 scoreline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I would prefer a friendly against a team with the same sort of flavour as Panama, but of sufficiently low quality to provide us with a serious ego-boost in the form of a 5(+) - 0 scoreline.. I agree with the flair bit, but would rather we played somebody who pushed us a bit. Better to stay sharp than get false confidence from trouncing a super minnow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Peru would be nice. Wouldn't be an easy match by any stretch. I would also take Costa Rica, Guatemala or El Salvador. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Peru would be nice. Wouldn't be an easy match by any stretch. I would also take Costa Rica, Guatemala or El Salvador. If we are fortunate enough to get a home friendly in Aug, you would have to think playing a team from the americas is a must. I would avoid any south american teams who are in form (Peru, Venezuela, etc) and clearly the elite south american teams like Argentina or Chile for example. If I had to pick a south american team it would be Bolivia, but the best pick overall would be Guatemala. They could use a game against Canada to prep for the USA, they are good enough to push us, yet they are a team we can beat and gain confidence from. Many of our players were also part of the team that beat them 3-0 in GC 07 btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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