ThiKu Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 We are all pulling for Nick!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Especially considering Frei is a year younger than Kocic. Exactly. Frei has the potential to be a starter in a top league in Europe, not sure Kocic has really shown that ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lattes Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Just curious, but why do you think Kocic has more unrealized potential than Frei? Regardless of age, Kocic went from being mediocre compared to Frei to near his equal in a season, maybe he has peaked but I think it more likely that Frei's injuries will hold him back while Kocic may continue to thrive and grow. I don't know for sure but I don't feel uncomfortable with keeping Kocic, especially if the price for Frei is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lattes Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Exactly. Frei has the potential to be a starter in a top league in Europe, not sure Kocic has really shown that ability. Yet You have to admit, he has improved. Some players just 'hit their stride' later in life. Kocic may be one of those players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGuire Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I see Kocic as being along the lines of Raimondo or Hartman a top MLS 'keeper but not someone who has the stuff to go to Europe, at least in a substantial league but someone who could excel as a top GK here for a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Regardless of age, Kocic went from being mediocre compared to Frei to near his equal in a season, maybe he has peaked but I think it more likely that Frei's injuries will hold him back while Kocic may continue to thrive and grow. I don't know for sure but I don't feel uncomfortable with keeping Kocic, especially if the price for Frei is right. I think you are exagerrating the extent of Frei's injuries. For the most part he was rested because of multiple nagging, niggly injuries he picked up along the way. I don't see the collision in Columbus stopping him from training in the off season either. Yet You have to admit, he has improved. Some players just 'hit their stride' later in life. Kocic may be one of those players. You're kind of making a "gut feeling" call on this one though, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I think one could say that Kocic exceeded expectations more than Frei did. No one expected that much of him and he showed that he could be an excellent MLS backup and potentially even a starting MLS keeper. Frei was highly touted even in university so his success was less of a surprise. However, as far as future potential I think Frei has clearly a lot more potential than Kocic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThiKu Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Frei has serious sell-on value (defining serious as 6 figures....) to a Euro team. But I'd like TFC to keep him and eventually get him involved with our CMNT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havoc88 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Regardless of age, Kocic went from being mediocre compared to Frei to near his equal in a season, maybe he has peaked but I think it more likely that Frei's injuries will hold him back while Kocic may continue to thrive and grow. I don't know for sure but I don't feel uncomfortable with keeping Kocic, especially if the price for Frei is right. I feel Kocic went from mediocre to 'almost Frei' because he benefited from two DPs regaining fitness, Winter abandoning his kamikaze 4-3-3 for a more defensive approach and a team finally coming together in the dying months. If TFC had used a 4-3-3 vs Pumas, NYRB, PHI in their second fixture, they lose all three of those games and IMO this discussion isn't happening. I've seen no evidence that indicates Frei injury is insurmountable (it's not like he broke his leg), and would expect him to be ready for 2012 as a starter. It's good to see some have that confidence in Kocic but IMO he is still unproven, which Frei is (proven), and it would be a huge gamble in a season where TFC can no longer afford to fcuk up to get rid of a keeper for one who has never had the pressure of being first choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lattes Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Havoc, you are making my point for me! Is Frei better? Yes! You would be hard pressed to find someone who disagrees BUT, a keeper shouldn't have to work that damn hard, sell Frei for a truckload of cash, get a hard ass high quality CB and we are rocking! (I hope) I am looking at this from a money perspective as well as quality, if we had unlimited funds ya, keep Frei and go out and get Messi to replace Koovermans. Funds need to be properly allocated (maybe enough freed up from JDG to help with our defense and we can keep Frei) As for Frei playing on team Canada, TFC shouldn't have to shoulder that burden for CMNT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lattes Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 I think you are exagerrating the extent of Frei's injuries. For the most part he was rested because of multiple nagging, niggly injuries he picked up along the way. I don't see the collision in Columbus stopping him from training in the off season either. You're kind of making a "gut feeling" call on this one though, right? Re: Gut feeling, yes and no, Kocic has improved markedly in the past season, more than a player his age 'should' Not saying Frei won't get better, he may, he may not. I would put money down that Kocic will get better, and for someone who should be stagnating or going downhill that is impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oranje Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 First move of the offseason: Defender Jeremy Hall was acquired from Dallas for a 2nd round draft pick in the 2013 MLS draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 First move of the offseason: Defender Jeremy Hall was acquired from Dallas for a 2nd round draft pick in the 2013 MLS draft. I wonder if this move means we won't be able to hold on to Eckersley? ie. Burnley want him back and TFC have pre-emptively gone to Plan B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Looks more like depth to me. In games where Eckersley was missing late in the season there didn't seem to be an obvious replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Borman selected by New England in the Re-Entry Draft. This would confirm Morgan as the first choice at LB. Not that this is any surprise to anyone given he was already starting most of the games in the later part of the past season. Edit.; Can Hall can play LB? maybe he is the cover for Morgan instead of Eckersley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatest Cockney Rip Off Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 I think Yourassowsky will be the backup at LB. For me, that is where is looked best last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccerpro Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 Getting tired of waiting for news of TFC dropping Harden, Iro and Sturgis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccerpro Posted December 24, 2011 Author Share Posted December 24, 2011 Still hoping that TFC will get rid of Harden, Iro and Strugis. I know it's optimistic, but I want at least one of those two CB's gone, preferably both. It looks like we will be drafting an AMC and then a CB. We need to sign a good quality striker (one injury to Danny K and we're in trouble). It looks like we have an Ecuadorian CB on the way who looks promising. I'm hoping for some good things from those academy grads who didn't impress in 2011. I'd like to see Keith M and Oscar C step up and give Winter some headaches when selecting his team. I'd also like to see Vukovic signed from the academy. Danny Dichio said that he hopes TFC sign him, but apparently Winter isn't too high on him. I like the Reggie Lambe signing. Fast, skilled player. Mariner said Dicoy Williams and Nick Lindsay aren't progressing well in their recoveries. Too bad, both seemed to be good young players. Would like to see Yourass be shown the door as well as he doesn't really add anything and is one of the top 3 divers in MLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oranje Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Still hoping that TFC will get rid of Harden, Iro and Strugis. I know it's optimistic, but I want at least one of those two CB's gone, preferably both. It looks like we will be drafting an AMC and then a CB. We need to sign a good quality striker (one injury to Danny K and we're in trouble). It looks like we have an Ecuadorian CB on the way who looks promising. I'm hoping for some good things from those academy grads who didn't impress in 2011. I'd like to see Keith M and Oscar C step up and give Winter some headaches when selecting his team. I'd also like to see Vukovic signed from the academy. Danny Dichio said that he hopes TFC sign him, but apparently Winter isn't too high on him. I like the Reggie Lambe signing. Fast, skilled player. Mariner said Dicoy Williams and Nick Lindsay aren't progressing well in their recoveries. Too bad, both seemed to be good young players. Would like to see Yourass be shown the door as well as he doesn't really add anything and is one of the top 3 divers in MLS. Who is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdroze Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Who is this? There are rumours that Geovanny Caicedo will be joining TFC from LDU Quito: http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?p=1420286#post1420286 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oranje Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 There are rumours that Geovanny Caicedo will be joining TFC from LDU Quito: http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?p=1420286#post1420286 Oh wow, thanks for that rdroze! I wonder what effect Plata had on the TFC-LDU Quito relationship. I would love for TFC to have an “affiliate” South American Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 TFC needs all the help it can get on the back line. Good news! Hope it means the end of Iro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Sturgis to Houston for a conditional pick in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Sturgis to Houston for a conditional pick in 2014. Wow, good thing we gave up that 8th overall pick for him! For those keeping track, CJ Sapong and Will Bruin were chosen 10th and 11th overall respectively last season and both young forwards scored 5 goals each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThiKu Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 I believe both went on the GA tour in Holland as well. There is the potential for some quality at that position. But I, TBH, expect TFC to trade the pick away as they'll likely find more value in their own youth academy than some early twenty-something college player. They may or may not be correct in that, but that's my prediction. I prefer the youth system anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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