Vic Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 To all those who thought Canadian coaches are not fired: Three months ago the Canadian Women's U20 team beat the #1 ranked USA team in the CONCACAF Final to get a higher seed for the World Cup next month. A week ago they fired head coach Bob Birarda, who was also head coach of the Vancouver Whitecaps, who subsequently fired him seconds later. It's been a week now and no explanation has been given, which is pretty unacceptable. If anyone has any information or avenue to acquire the information, I know there are a lot of people who are interested. Thanks to anyone who can help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 And yes, I know the women's thread exists, it just has less traffic and no info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 That seems very odd. My mind wanders to the very negative.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I can only think of one reason why he was suddenly fired by the two organizations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Vic, why do you feel it is so unacceptable that the reason for the CSA and Whitecaps 'parting ways' with Birarda has not been made public? Do you have some prurient need to know perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 If we didn't want to know what was going on, why would we be here. I'd like a little confidence things are under control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadasBest Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Not to get too overly speculative, but this topic did come up yesterday in Edmonton and everyone is assuming bad things. So, yes some sort of explanation would probably be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 quote:Originally posted by gwallace76 Not to get too overly speculative, but this topic did come up yesterday in Edmonton and everyone is assuming bad things. So, yes some sort of explanation would probably be good. He's gay??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronto MB Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 If ever there was a thread destined for a train-wreck.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piltdownman Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 My guess is that the Whitecaps wanted to go another direction with their women's program. The CSA most likely was paying Birarda very little, so without the Whitecaps paycheck he had to quit the u20 job to get new full time gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 quote:Originally posted by piltdownman My guess is that the Whitecaps wanted to go another direction with their women's program. The CSA most likely was paying Birarda very little, so without the Whitecaps paycheck he had to quit the u20 job to get new full time gig. This is pretty much what I speculated in the thread in the Women's forum and I still believe that is the case. Its possible that to the Whitecaps finishing 2nd in their division and not reaching the W-League finals was not good enough. The CSA being cheap/cash strapped are filling the position with Bridge, who is probably already on staff and being paid anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Massive Attack This is pretty much what I speculated in the thread in the Women's forum and I still believe that is the case. Its possible that to the Whitecaps finishing 2nd in their division and not reaching the W-League finals was not good enough. The CSA being cheap/cash strapped are filling the position with Bridge, who is probably already on staff and being paid anyways. Couldn't they just wait until the tournament was over? Not sure it would've cost much more than it already did? I don't want a fall into the conspiracy theory thing, but this move seems odd to me, specially considering his success in the last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piltdownman Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Massive Attack This is pretty much what I speculated in the thread in the Women's forum and I still believe that is the case. Its possible that to the Whitecaps finishing 2nd in their division and not reaching the W-League finals was not good enough. The CSA being cheap/cash strapped are filling the position with Bridge, who is probably already on staff and being paid anyways. There is two other things to throw into the mix: 1) The Whitecaps love Even Pellerud, so maybe he is coming back 2) The new women's league maybe opens up a new opportunity for Birarda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted October 17, 2008 Author Share Posted October 17, 2008 No, no... nothing to do with results or money, it was his behavior. That much I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 ^ If you know for certain why not share with the rest of us HOW you know for CERTAIN it was his behavior. You obviously KNOW more than anybody else about this, what is your source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Vic, the reality is that anyone who knows why BB got turfed (and there are plenty who do) will never post it on the forums and, trust me, its not being kept quiet in order to protect Bob or what's left of his reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 I'm tired of people posting on this forum that they know the 'real story' but then don't tell the rest of us what it is. Don't tease us. Either post it or shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted October 17, 2008 Author Share Posted October 17, 2008 Yes, same as VPjr, you can call it behaviour and judgement. And if the rest ever comes out it will be from someone who's done all their homework and is confident they have all the facts and not from someone who knows half. But half is enough to know it was self-administered, and enough to know why they made the change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Massive Attack I'm tired of people posting on this forum that they know the 'real story' but then don't tell the rest of us what it is. Don't tease us. Either post it or shut up. Hear hear! Express it as an opinion or make a statement of fact backed up with references to a credible source. Don't maked unsubstantiated veiled hints about 'inside information', that's just annoying schoolyard type 'I know more than you do so there' type behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Richard Hear hear! Express it as an opinion or make a statement of fact backed up with references to a credible source. Don't maked unsubstantiated veiled hints about 'inside information', that's just annoying schoolyard type 'I know more than you do so there' type behaviour. Amen, the worst was the one that had the Gold Cup team coaching themselves. Most of this type of garbage just doesn't pass the "common sense test". Stephen Hart has gone from idiot to genius with that rumour combined with some underachievers throwing Dale under the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted October 18, 2008 Author Share Posted October 18, 2008 Why? So you're comfortable? If you want a signed statement of fact from a credible source pick up the phone and call Birarda, the Whitecaps or the CSA. That's about the only place you're going to find it. Last time I checked their numbers are listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 ^ Don't insinuate that you have inside knowledge of fact if you are not prepared to quote your source or if you are merely speculating. All you are doing then is spreading malicious gossip and discrediting yourself. I could very easily call Bob Birarda and ask him, so could anybody, but I won't because I have no desire to possibly embarass the man or the CSA or the Whitecaps or anybody else involved. The parties have made it abundantly clear that the reason for their 'parting of the ways' with Birarda is not being made public and I respect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted October 18, 2008 Author Share Posted October 18, 2008 You're extending. I never said I had knowledge of fact. I said exactly what VPjr said, which is we talked to people we trust, which was good enough for us, for right or wrong. How you value that is your business entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 quote:Originally posted by loyola He's gay??? Obviously just the opposite, at least that is the speculation. Incorrect behaviour related to a player or accusations thereof. But since by not saying anything they give rise to this speculation, which may be totally slanderous, then they should give a proper explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillium Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 quote: Obviously just the opposite, at least that is the speculation. Incorrect behaviour related to a player or accusations thereof. But since by not saying anything they give rise to this speculation, which may be totally slanderous, then they should give a proper explanation. This brings up and issue, that really I feel needs to be discussed, I do not believe a lot of the coaches on the women's side have been properly "educated" on proper deportment with regards to girls and women's teams. To be blunt ... there is far far to much physical contract with the players ... that is not technique based to show a technical aspect of the game ... but is being done to show some kind of "reward" so hugs around the shoulder etc. after a goal is scored. Like it or not the reality is no Coach .. should ever make contact with a player without specific approval by the player for each occurence of touching .. so you want to show how to place a foot you ask .. " I am going to move your foot to the right position ". On numerous occasions I have seen National level coaches .. over stepping this line. Because most if not all of these coaches have been given a free pass to the C or A licence they have not gone through programs mandated for all others where such topics are discussed. Players will often form attachments to coaches and it makes the relationship more difficult in terms of drawing appropriate behaviour lines... and the line is "not to touch", "not to joke or discuss sexuality",.... etc. If an issue has arisen within Peleruds womens program ( and he is still its manager ) he needs to ensure all involved get the required counciling and that all the coaches in the program are properly re-trained to understand the issue. Peter Montopoli has extensive knowledge of such boundary issues from his time at Skate Canada, Pelerud and others need to consult with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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