masster Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Is it just me...or is this new procedure of the referee announcing VAR decisions in stadium stupid? It is not as if they are explaining the the call, they are just announcing the call. Well that is put up on the video board anyways. So what has been accomplished? It makes no sense to me. https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/38039335/history-ref-announces-var-penalty-women-world-cup The Ref, Free kick, Unnamed Trialist and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Yes it is stupid. Trying to be more like American football all the time...just like hockey did. The Ref and Metro 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) Agreed @massterand what's more: they don't even know how to express the decisions, the language is not clearly protocoled. So in the Spain-Zambia game, after a Spain goal it goes to VAR to check on the offside, and then the ref comes out and says in a rather strong accent "No goal, no offside"....dejection from Spain. Then she realises something and gets all flustered, changes the decision. Here's the video, the Spain players took about 10 seconds to understand what they hell she'd said: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/23197213/womens-world-cup-referee-var-decision/ You figure it out. The linesman screwed up two like that, which only means a legit goal can't be celebrated, which is what really bothers me. Celebrate the goal, they are hard to come by. Then check if VAR says you should. Edited July 28, 2023 by Unnamed Trialist The Ref 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 9 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Agreed @massterand what's more: they don't even know how to express the decisions, the language is not clearly protocoled. So in the Spain-Zambia game, after a Spain goal it goes to VAR to check on the offside, and then the ref comes out and says in a rather strong accent "No goal, no offside"....dejection from Spain. Then she realises something and gets all flustered, changes the decision. Here's the video, the Spain players took about 10 seconds to understand what they hell she'd said: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/23197213/womens-world-cup-referee-var-decision/ You figure it out. The linesman screwed up two like that, which only means a legit goal can't be celebrated, which is what really bothers me. Celebrate the goal, they are hard to come by. Then check if VAR says you should. If English is not their language they better stick to hand signals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 2 hours ago, The Ref said: If English is not their language they better stick to hand signals. True, just walk out and signal goal, offside, goal kick, penalty. Some of the female refs have very rough English. I don't mind, I think the reffing is in general solid with all the idiosyncratic decisions you'd see with the men. But maybe the lack of international experience and encounters means they struggle to be fluent. But still, what you have to do in these cases is create a set of standard phrases, a protocol. The CFL and NFL have this, and rugby does too, a bit less rigid. If you standardise the language, the refs can practice it and it would come out cleaner, and that also means fans listen to it in a single standard way, as happens with "After review, the ruling on the field stands--touchdown". The Ref and BearcatSA 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 On 7/28/2023 at 12:57 PM, Unnamed Trialist said: True, just walk out and signal goal, offside, goal kick, penalty. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rydermike Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 Trialling it in the World Cup probably isn't the best idea. Should start it in some domestic leagues where refs can speak in their native language and see how that goes. Trying to get them to do it in a foreign language (English) is already difficult, especially when it's something you've never done before in your own language . BearcatSA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted August 16, 2023 Share Posted August 16, 2023 (edited) (Rather than starting a new thread with my forthcoming tangent post, perhaps the mods could change the title of this thread to "Refereeing issues" or something similar, if okay with @masster?) https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/38195447/referee-var-taken-prem-duty-onana-penalty-error Surely this must be the end of the line for Salisbury; second major screw up in a calendar year for him). Edited December 14, 2023 by BearcatSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigi riva Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 In all honesty I find it wierd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/dec/14/rebecca-welch-to-become-first-woman-to-referee-premier-league-game In addition, I was surprised that there hasn't been a black referee in the Prem since Uriah Rennie fifteen years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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