Cristiano11 Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 What Canadian players playing overseas can you "Honestly" see coming back home to play for Toronto FC?? I mean the MLS has a salery cap of around 2 million for its clubs, so with the money players are maiking overseas is it really a great option for them to take a huge pay cut just to play at home?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calgary Boomer Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Tomasz Radzinski said no, and Paul Stalteri sang a similar tune. But a guy like Atiba Hutchinson, or Chris Pozniak might be good choices... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Atiba to TFC??? Are you kidding? The guy is playing CL soccer, getting good reviews from the Danish fans/media and he's only 23. I don't think TFC should be an option for Atiba right now since he has the talent to move to a better league in the next few years. Pozniak would be a good choice, he's never been playing at a very high level in Europe but has always done well when playing for our MNT. Reda could be another player that we could see with TFC for the same reasons as Pozniak. Stamatopoulos too to back up Sutton. I've heard some rumours about Patrice Bernier being interested in coming back in NA. Gerba is a possibility since he's struggling in Europe. Occean is struggling at the moment but he has enough talent to give one more try in Europe. Coming back in Canada would be too early in his case, he's proven he can score in Norway he just have to get back to his old form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOareaFan Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 It is an interesting question but hard to answer without knowing what the salary structure is in some of the countries that our players are playing in! Somebody mentioned Ocean, playing in Norway. We all know that MLS cannot compete with salaries in the EPL, La Liga or Serie A.....but is it also the case for countries like Norway, Denmark....etc? I don't know the answer but we should not assume for a minute that those smaller countries pay similar wages to the "headline makers" in the big countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Ill throw this name out and see what the reaction is- Jason DeVos. Hes from Ontario (I think) and hes nearing the end of his career in England. Toronto might be a nice fit to lengthen his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 i think mls is a great fit for de vos - and could be a good springboard for a coaching career. atiba: not a chance! mls cannot compete with norway for salary. forget any player in any of the top leagues regardless of which country it is. (unless they are aging or not playing) WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS... with the upcoming college draft which canadian players can we assume Mo Johnston is watching? (interesting MJ note: Reading Alex Ferguson's autobiography he offers interesting incite into MJ's travelling habits regarding women - wonder what his policy will be as a coach!?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Look at our U-20's players pool to see whose playing in the NCAA. Here's a few names: GK Monsalve D/M D'Agostino F Revivo F Elliot Joey Loreth You could also look at the 2005 U-20's with Schiavoni, Rosenlund, Peetoom, Charowski and a few others (those guys must be juniors or seniors so they'll be eligible for this year draft). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 quote:Originally posted by TOareaFan Somebody mentioned Ocean, playing in Norway. We all know that MLS cannot compete with salaries in the EPL, La Liga or Serie A.....but is it also the case for countries like Norway, Denmark....etc? Ask Occéan! He was signed to Odd Greenland for $120k as salary when he was an unsigned rookie at the Metrostars camp in La Manga's tournament. He would have made around $22k, if that, in his first season. I'd guess he makes around $300k for Lillestrom, an amount which only a select few players in MLS make. He would not be one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 any number of those u20's loyola listed would be quality additions for depth in the very least. of them i am most interested in D'Agostino, Monsalve, Elliot, Rosenlund, and Peetoom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 any number of those u20's loyola listed would be quality additions for depth in the very least. of them i am most interested in D'Agostino, Monsalve, Elliot, Rosenlund, and Peetoom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 What about Kevin Harmse? Always thought he was a good player for the Caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I know this isn't relevant to the discussion of Canadian players, but is TFC looking at any older players from overseas? I know a lot of fans don't like to see veterans "sell out" but there's a tradition of European stars in the twilight of their careers playing in NASL/MLS. If the money's there, someone like Christian Vieri, who's on a month-to-month contract with Atalanta and has friends in Toronto (supposedly loves the city) might be able to be persuaded to join up. Obviously TFC would hope to attract Italian fans to the team with such a move, same as someone like Ante Jazic might help to attract a percentage of the large Croatian soccer community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 quote:Originally posted by bettermirror mls cannot compete with norway for salary. forget any player in any of the top leagues regardless of which country it is. Yes forget that part-time player playing in Northern Ireland's top league for Dungannon Swifts. [:0] Have you ever actually been to Europe and seen what soccer is like in some of the smaller national top divisions? Bear in mind that Peter Canero recently left Scotland's SPL for the Metrostars/Red Bulls in MLS partly because the money was better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard Yes forget that part-time player playing in Northern Ireland's top league for Dungannon Swifts. [:0] Have you ever actually been to Europe and seen what soccer is like in some of the smaller national top divisions? Bear in mind that Peter Canero recently left Scotland's SPL for the Metrostars/Red Bulls in MLS partly because the money was better. We know that Occean is making a lot more in Norway that he would make in the MLS so it's fair to say that canadians players like Occean, Grande and Hirschfeld are receving a lot more than what the MLS can offer to them. We have more chances with guys like Reda and Pozniak, maybe Stamatopoulos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 quote:Originally posted by loyola We know that Occean is making a lot more in Norway that he would make in the MLS so it's fair to say that canadians players like Occean, Grande and Hirschfeld are receving a lot more than what the MLS can offer to them. If Occean is rated as being good enough to merit it by TFC and MLS he could be offered significantly more than he earns in Norway. Players like Eddie Johnson, Landon Donovan, Freddie Adu, Juan Francisco Palencia and Juan Pablo Garcia make a lot more money than he does. The competition for those top MLS roster spots is very fierce, however. It was unfortunate that there was no Canadian team around when he left college because the Metrostars were limited in what they could do for him financially given that he was a foreign player and most of their money for that goes on guys with a name from European soccer like Youri Djorkaeff or with an appeal to the Hispanic immigrant demographic like Amado Guevara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard Yes forget that part-time player playing in Northern Ireland's top league for Dungannon Swifts. oh, don't be so literal! Kevin Harmse, yes ... Tyler Hughes also comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard If Occean is rated as being good enough to merit it by TFC and MLS he could be offered significantly more than he earns in Norway. Players like Eddie Johnson, Landon Donovan, Freddie Adu, Juan Francisco Palencia and Juan Pablo Garcia make a lot more money than he does. The competition for those top MLS roster spots is very fierce, however. It was unfortunate that there was no Canadian team around when he left college because the Metrostars were limited in what they could do for him financially given that he was a foreign player and most of their money for that goes on guys with a name from European soccer like Youri Djorkaeff or with an appeal to the Hispanic immigrant demographic like Amado Guevara. Sad for you to think that MLS would rate Oliver Occean on the same level as those you mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 quote:Originally posted by DoyleG Sad for you to think that MLS would rate Oliver Occean on the same level as those you mention. You should maybe check a dictionary for the meaning of "if". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 BBTB has a point here. A guy like Occean got stiffed pay-wise because he was not American and not and 'draw'. If TFC were around when Occean was coming out of school, it is plausible that a young Canadian hotshot like him would get more of a fair shake from a Canadian club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Rudi BBTB has a point here. A guy like Occean got stiffed pay-wise because he was not American and not and 'draw'. If TFC were around when Occean was coming out of school, it is plausible that a young Canadian hotshot like him would get more of a fair shake from a Canadian club. All the credits goes to the Metrostars for drafting him, no one had him on their radar before the draft (and he was a very unpopular third round pick among the fans). Maybe TFC would've drafted him but let's remeber that he only had one cap with our youth teams (an U-23 friendly against the USA in 2002). Today, I don't see him coming back since he must have a very lucrative contract with Lillestrom even if he's not playing that much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 quote:Originally posted by loyola Maybe TFC would've drafted him but let's remeber that he only had one cap with our youth teams (an U-23 friendly against the USA in 2002). Today, I don't see him coming back since he must have a very lucrative contract with Lillestrom even if he's not playing that much... If the Metrostars hadn't taken him to Spain for the preseason tournament Odd Grenland would never have seen him so he owes his European career to MLS to a significant extent. The Metrostars wanted him badly by all accounts but their hands were tied by the fact he was Canadian. Hopefully if that scenario ever crops up again TFC would find it easier to find the money to keep him given that most of their cap space will be for Canadians. Lillestrom are not one of the traditional bigger city clubs in Norwegian terms. They are a bit bigger than Odd Grenland but not quite up there with the likes of Brann Bergen, Rosenberg Trondheim and Valerenga Oslo:- http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/current/avenor.htm http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/2000/avenor.htm I'm a bit skeptical on this 300k number that has been quoted in this thread. Suspect the main attraction of the move would have been that there was less danger of relegation with Lillestrom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 He was making 120k (plus car and apartment) during his rookie season with Odd. 300k sounds about right for a player who went to a club a proven scorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Daniel He was making 120k (plus car and apartment) during his rookie season with Odd. 300k sounds about right for a player who went to a club a proven scorer. Bear in mind that the Nordic countries have high taxation levels and costs of living relative to elsewhere so clubs there need to go the extra mile to make sure the take home pay is competitive with what happens elsewhere. Beyond that I'm skeptical because there are almost no players on that kind of money in Scotland these days once you move beyond Rangers, Celtic and Hearts to clubs that are comparable to Lillestrom and the SPL is usually seen as being a bit of a step up from Norway (longer season, more sponsor and international television interest etc) although admittedly not as much as it used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueviking Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 Norway’s top income tax rate is 49.3% (this has actually gone down 2% in the past 2 years) Canada's top income tax rate is 46.4% not a big difference....playing for FC Copenhagen is another story. http://www.worldtaxpayers.org/statmarg.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 The Norwegian tax rate may be only slightly higher than Canada's but the cost of living is probably double (excluding housing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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