puskas Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 While the other two group winners place third place teams. Not exactly fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSoccerFan Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Just another day in CONCACAF. Considering they hand pick the groups it's not surprising they'll do the utmost to have a Mexico v USA final since it's all about making money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puskas Posted June 7, 2007 Author Share Posted June 7, 2007 Similarly, in Europe one country could never get away with hosting the region's championships every single year. For similar reasons, the World Cup of hockey is a joke too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Because the 1/4s consist of: - 3 group winners - 3 2nd place teams - 2 3rd place teams So one winner HAS to play a 2nd place team! With our group being the easiest by consensus, can't say I'm complaining. We've seen much worse in this region. Count your blessings we don't have groups of 3 (!!!) and invited teams anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Well, if you want a have 1/4 finals you have to have one group winner playing a second team..... And I agree with this move from CONCACAF, matching the two best 3rd teams with the group of our #1 and 2 teams in the region. It's fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puskas Posted June 7, 2007 Author Share Posted June 7, 2007 It is a very subjective practice to name one group the easiest and then punish them with not getting a 3rd place winner in the elimination game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 I'm imagining a day when we have SSS in Vancouver and Montreal as well. Wouldn't Canada be the ideal hosts for this tournament? Or perhaps another question is why don't Columbus and Colorado host, in addition to Carson. These cavernous american football stadiums are no good. It could be a great tourney if they put some thought into it. I also don't mind the inivited nation, cause I have dreams of Canada in Copa America. I can't think of a better experience. It's a shame we didn't go to Columbia when we had the chance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Rollins1555362254 Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 quote:Originally posted by CanadianSoccerFan Just another day in CONCACAF. Considering they hand pick the groups it's not surprising they'll do the utmost to have a Mexico v USA final since it's all about making money. Well....Mexico and USA are the top two seeded teams in the region...CR is third, so it seems fair to me to have the third seed group have to play the second seed advancer. And if you can't beat the group B second place finisher you don't deserve to be in the semis anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puskas Posted June 7, 2007 Author Share Posted June 7, 2007 Really Media Guy? USA could easily lose to one of Trinidad, El Salvador, Guatemala then that Group B team that we should easily beat according to you would be the United States. Give your head a shake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks fan Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 If you want to be the best you're eventually going to have to beat the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadasBest Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 quote:Originally posted by puskas Really Media Guy? USA could easily lose to one of Trinidad, El Salvador, Guatemala then that Group B team that we should easily beat according to you would be the United States. Give your head a shake. The probability of the US losing to Guatemala, El Salvador, or Trinidad on home soil is quite low. The tournament has always been geared for a USA-Mexico showdown. It makes perfect sense to me that Canada's group play a 2nd place team. The best scenario would be to have a 16 team tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puskas Posted June 7, 2007 Author Share Posted June 7, 2007 'Eventually play the best', eventually is the key word. When you finished first you should eventually and not right away play the best. I think USA is in a fairly tough group and surprises could easily happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Moot issue, really. No matter what, Canada will have to beat the big teams to advance regardless of which round in the tournament. And yes, the tournament is geared for a USA-Mexico showdown, which is why they were not amused in 2000 when we won despite the odds against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 quote:Originally posted by puskas Really Media Guy? USA could easily lose to one of Trinidad, El Salvador, Guatemala then that Group B team that we should easily beat according to you would be the United States. Give your head a shake. Check out their recent results http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11758570&postcount=3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 I feel the draw is fine, seeds are based on past results and the US and Mexico have proven themselves to be the top 2 teams in the fed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puskas Posted June 7, 2007 Author Share Posted June 7, 2007 Thanks for proving my point, according to that website USA and Guatemala recently tied each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Why the debate??? It's like any other turnament in any other sports, you have to identify the best teams or players and give them a certain advantage..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan68 Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Look if we can't beat either Mexico or the US we don't deserve to be in the final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puskas Posted June 8, 2007 Author Share Posted June 8, 2007 Still only 1-0 for USA in about the 60th minute and now the Americans are playing with 10 players. Despite what people have said, the Americans are not a given to finish first but probably will. I think if say Canada goes 3-0 while USA wins the group with say a 2-0-1 or 2-1-0 record then Canada should play the third place team not USA. If Canada goes 3-0 and other teams do know then Canada deserves to avoid one of Mexico or USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 This supposed 'injustice' also use to occur when the World Cups involved 6 teams. Four of the 1st place teams got to play a 3rd place team in the knock-out stage. The 2 other 1st place teams had to play a 2nd place team in the 2nd round. I really don't think its that big of an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puskas Posted June 8, 2007 Author Share Posted June 8, 2007 Fair enough, it does not seem to be anything much for anybody else so I will drop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 quote:Originally posted by puskas Fair enough, it does not seem to be anything much for anybody else so I will drop it. Don't worry. It is a valid point to bring up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puskas Posted June 8, 2007 Author Share Posted June 8, 2007 I think it is way too early to speculate but I will anyway. It seems like Costa Rica is a better team than Trinidad, Guatemala and El Salvador so the door is wide open for us to get to the semis. Maybe a Mexico, USA, Canada and Costa Rica final four. If we can make it to the semis in the Gold Cup, then there is no reason we can't qualify to the World Cup. Again, still too early to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 quote:Originally posted by puskas Thanks for proving my point, according to that website USA and Guatemala recently tied each other. It was a 0-0 draw with the US dressing a young team and the Guates bunkering with Ruiz alone up top. Nothing to be proud of. Not to mention at the UNCAF they had trouble putting away Nicaragua and Belize. We're gonna win our group and win in the QF's so this is all trivial anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puskas Posted June 8, 2007 Author Share Posted June 8, 2007 Funny how people get way too high after a victory and way too low after a loss. Still too early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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