Soccer_Josh Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 <center>Gold Cup - USA 2005 First Round, Match 3Canada vs. CubaTuesday, July 12, 2005 6:00 PM PDT / 7:00 PM MDT / 8:00 PM CDT / 9:00 PM EDT / 10:00 PM ADT / 10:30 PM NDT Gillette Stadium, Foxboro Television (According to Sportsnet's site) LIVE</u> Sportsnet West Digital and Sportsnet Pacific Digital •Galavision – 6pm PT/7pm MT/8pm CT/9pm ET (LIVE) Local TAPE DELAYS</u> · Sportsnet East and Ontario: 1 AM EDT / 2 AM ADT / 2:30 AM NDT · Sportsnet West: 11 PM MDT / 12 AM CDT · Sportsnet Pacific: 11 PM PDT Live Text Updates From official Gold Cup site Voyageurs real-time chat (login under your forum name using the top box and top "Login Now" button; do not use the two lower boxes, do not enter your forum password anywhere) </center> ------------------------------------------------------- Probable Starting Line-up – CANADA: 1–SUTTON Greg; 2–BRAZ Adam; 3–POZNIAK Chris; 4-MCKENNA Kevin; 5–GERVAIS Gabriel; 6–BERNIER Patrice; 9–GERBA Ali; 10–OCCEAN Olivier; 12–GRANDE Sandro; 13–HUTCHINSON Atiba; 14–DE ROSARIO Dwayne Subs: 7–HUME Iain (Inj.); 8–SERIOUX Adrian (Susp.); 11–BRENNAN Jim; 15–SIMPSON Josh; 16–LEDUC Patrick; 17–PETERS Jaime; 18–DODDS Rhian; 33–FRANKS Mike Injuries – HUME (quadriceps – questionable) Suspensions – SERIOUX (sent off 9/7/04 vs. USA) ------------------------------------------------------- As Canada heads into their final group match at the 2005 Gold Cup, is their a clear cut chance for Canada to advance. Group A Panama-4pts Honduras-4pts T&T-2pts Columbia-0pts *Canada has to hope for a draw or win for Columbia against T&T* Group B USA-6pts Costa Rica-6pts Canada-0pts Cuba-0pts *Canada MUST</u> beat Cuba to have a chance...if a lose or draw...Canada is out* Group C South America-4pts Jamaica-4pts Mexico-3pts Guatemala-0pts *Jamaica must beat Mexico for Canada to have a chance* - edit title only, to broaden discussion : mod - edit title again to make this the pre-match thread, because that's essentially what it is! :-) : other mod okay Mr. Fussy, you're the boss!: first mod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Group C would be a desperate chance of a desperate order, as Mexico has a huge GD advantage. The only practical result to advance would be for Colombia to edge Trinidad earlier on Tuesady night, and then we would know exactly how much we would have to beat Cuba by. Not only that, Canada will have to hammer Cuba, and beat them by at least 2 goals, and probalbly 3 or more (a lot more if Colombia only ties Trini). We would need a go for broke formation for any chance of this. I say go for the sky or go down in flames. Something like: ---------Sutton Bernier--McKenna--Simpson -------Grande---Hutchinson-- Peters----- DeRosario----Brennan ----Hume-------Occean Desperate times call for desperate measures. We would be very susceptible on the counter-attack, but we could see what exactly what kind of cloth our clearly new number one goalkeeper is made of. Cuba would be happy with a bare win or tie, so we can't play into their game plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derosario23 Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 how does it work in the event of a tie of points the team who scores the most goals advance or is it the goal difference that counts i forgot cause columbia would have to blank trinidad and tobago then all we would need is 3 points and thats it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Goal difference, then total goals. If Colombia beat Trinidad 1-0, for instance, Colombia would be: 3. Colombia 3 GP 1 W 0 D 2 L 2 GF 3 GA -1GD 3 PTS Canada is now -3 in goal differential, with no goals, so if we then only beat Cuba 2-0 we would be tied in both departments, and it would go to a drawing of lots. If we then instead beat Cuba 3-1 we would be even on goal differential but would advance on goals scored. If Colombia tie Trinidad 0-0, Trinidad would stand: 3. Trinidad & T 3 GP 0 W 3 D 0 L 3GF 3GA 0 GD 3 PTS Canada would then need to beat Cuba 3-0 for the opportunity to draw lots against Trinidad. If Canada beat Cuba 4-1 we would be euqal on goal difference, but advance on total goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derosario23 Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 quote:Originally posted by beachesl Goal difference, then total goals. If Colombia beat Trinidad 1-0 for instance, Colombia would be: 3. Colombia 3 GP 1 W 0 D 2 L 2 GF 3 -1 3 Canada is now -3 in goal differential, with no goals, so if we then only beat Cuba 2-0 we would be tied in both departments, and it would go to a drawing of lots. If we then instead beat Cuba 3-1 we would be even on goal differential but would advance on goals scored. so this is our best chance or trinidad tie 0-0 :)groups c theres no way jamaica will beat mexico so i guess well know our fate tomorow night lets just hope we can pull it offf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Wouldn't a win be worth more than 3 draws (if T&T draw)? Man, that "handball" against CRC is looking even worse now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Daniel Wouldn't a win be worth more than 3 draws (if T&T draw)? No, the regs don't differentiate between match points (see regs in blue on first post in Sched and Results sticky). In some tournaments before they made a win worth three points in the early 90's, a win sometimes counted for more than two ties in tiebreak, but never since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desigol Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 What Canada needs is Motivation. I think Costa Rica and the USA were in another level, but Canada are after revenge over 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrepid_ Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 We need to beat Cuba by 2 goals. We need Colombia to beat T&T by exactly 1 goal. And we need to win the coin toss. Realistically this is the only way we will advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 quote:Originally posted by intrepid_ We need to beat Cuba by 2 goals. We need Colombia to beat T&T by exactly 1 goal. And we need to win the coin toss. Realistically this is the only way we will advance. Realistically, 1-0 for Colombia and 2-0 for us. But we've had luck with the coin toss and we can't be lucky forever. Possible IMO: 1-0 for Colombia and Canada leads Cuba 2-1 with 10 to go. Either they go for the tie and we counter and score to go through, or we push and they counter to tie it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canso Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 "we can't be lucky forever" I'd say we're due for some luck after these first two games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Yeah, I meant for tiebreaking . I have no confidence we'll even get there, though . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timotas Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 So what are exactly Canada's chances of getting into the next round? Slim to none? Because this will really put a downer on the Cuba game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intrepid_ Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Probability of beating Cuba by 2 goals (considering how often we score 2 goals): 8% (I'd say this is generous) Probability of Colombia beating T&T by exactly 1 goal: 25% Probability of winning the coin toss (50%) So our probability of advancing to the next round is 1% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 quote:Originally posted by intrepid_ Probability of beating Cuba by 2 goals (considering how often we score 2 goals): 8% (I'd say this is generous) Probability of Colombia beating T&T by exactly 1 goal: 25% Probability of winning the coin toss (50%) So our probability of advancing to the next round is 1% Nice *scientific* method for the first two... [] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 I'd put our probability of winning the coin toss as higher than 50%, considering our history with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Leduc isn't starting, is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VI Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 I would like to see a more offensive approach. We need to get more Canadian shirts in the box on the offense. Lets make the odds of getting the right bounce more in our favour. That is hard to do unless you have speed on the outside. Here is my arm chair line up. -----------Sutton Braz--Gervais--McKenna--Brennan Peters--Grande--Hutchinson--Simpson ---------Hume--DeRosario When we go forward lets risk it and go with numbers. Make Simpson and Peters use their pace. ps I know Hume has a questionable quad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 Telefutura, the US latin channel, has announced today that two Cubans on the Gold Cup squad have defected, the names to be announced tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I hope it's the keeper, Molina I think, he's very good. As for the second one, let's hope it's one of their starter in midfield or defense.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john tv Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 quote:Originally posted by loyola I hope it's the keeper, Molina I think, he's very good. As for the second one, let's hope it's one of their starter in midfield or defense.... Gentlemen, please believe in out guys,they will do their very best for us,they are the very best we have to offer and they have the best coach in Canada.It's a game so please lay of I love our players and they will do their very best.If you have any doubts please supply me with a extremely comprehensive plan backed up with a total analysis of our soccer system by province ,coaching and player development as well as an analysis of the old A league and European coaching systems and also include a thoudand other things that come in play.Gentlemen we are looking at the very best Canada has ever fielded, please love them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argh1 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 quote:Originally posted by john tv Gentlemen, please believe in out guys,they will do their very best for us,they are the very best we have to offer and they have the best coach in Canada.It's a game so please lay of I love our players and they will do their very best.If you have any doubts please supply me with a extremely comprehensive plan backed up with a total analysis of our soccer system by province ,coaching and player development as well as an analysis of the old A league and European coaching systems and also include a thoudand other things that come in play.Gentlemen we are looking at the very best Canada has ever fielded, please love them. Hey bro, I can't play to the level our team plays so who am I to speak dastardly of the players, coaches or management. This is soccer. No matter how much we want to be a world player we ain't. Gawd love'em this is a good team. The whole 2005 expierience has been one of under achieveing. (BLAME WHO) It's sooooo frustrating we have the talent. But a combination of bad ref'ing and lack of familiarity between players and as much as I like FY, bad coaching decisions has cost us games. We only have so many games as a squad. It's hard to get things right with the talent pool we have. Did Bircham say no or was he never asked? Cheers and Cheers to all that wear the LEAF. Now let's go get Cuba and even if we don't ......Proud of ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john tv Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 quote:Originally posted by argh1 Hey bro, I can't play to the level our team plays so who am I to speak dastardly of the players, coaches or management. This is soccer. No matter how much we want to be a world player we ain't. Gawd love'em this is a good team. The whole 2005 expierience has been one of under achieveing. (BLAME WHO) It's sooooo frustrating we have the talent. But a combination of bad ref'ing and lack of familiarity between players and as much as I like FY, bad coaching decisions has cost us games. We only have so many games as a squad. It's hard to get things right with the talent pool we have. Did Bircham say no or was he never asked? Cheers and Cheers to all that wear the LEAF. Now let's go get Cuba and even if we don't ......Proud of ya Thanks just had a dinner with my bank manager who paid, so I guess my right brain became the boss, however we must believe in our players hell come or high water.I wish our guys woud be part of this board and let us know how they feel,in fact I would love to read about their accomplishments abroad.There is this Finish player who just does that.So if any of our guys read our rags let us know,I am sure the young guys will read this first before they m.b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VI Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 quote:Originally posted by VI I would like to see a more offensive approach. We need to get more Canadian shirts in the box on the offense. Lets make the odds of getting the right bounce more in our favour. That is hard to do unless you have speed on the outside. Here is my arm chair line up. -----------Sutton Braz--Gervais--McKenna--Brennan Peters--Grande--Hutchinson--Simpson ---------Hume--DeRosario When we go forward lets risk it and go with numbers. Make Simpson and Peters use their pace. ps I know Hume has a questionable quad. Just thinking about this more and remembering the guys playing in England are just starting their pre-season so maybe they don't have the legs to go 90 at the kind of pace we need. Maybe only use each of them for a half game. Why not use Poz as left back? Then use Simpson like FY has been using Peters. This would maintain some pace through the whole game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 According to the Neil Davidson article in another thread, this is Canada's Probable line up (I might have the wingers wrong, I am dislexic): -----------Sutton Braz--Gervais--McKenna--Pozniak --Hutchinson--Grande--Bernier ---------DeRosario -------Gerba--Occean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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