Crazy_Yank Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 I support all concacaf teams except when they play the US. To use an American football analogy, I'm a die hard Iowa Hawkeyes fan. They are one of the top teams in the Big Ten, and the entire country. I always root for other big teams when they aren't playing Iowa. In soccer I root for the concacaf sides because I believe there is some very good soccer being played here. Our soccer is a lot better than anyone gives us credit for. We have 3 teams who can beat anyone. We have up and comers like Canada, Jamaica, and Honduras who seem to get better every year. This is a very exciting time for concacaf soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Rollins1555362254 Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 That's how I think Crazy Yank (I even cheer for Mexico - although its hard sometimes)...especially with soccer where we need all the respect we can muster. I actually watched the USA-Portugal WC game at a youth hostel with a bunch of Irishmen who were baffled by that fact that I was cheering for the States. They assumed that all Canadians would cheer against the dreaded Americans. Don't know if I'm normal though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Rollins1555362254 Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 That's how I think Crazy Yank (I even cheer for Mexico - although its hard sometimes)...especially with soccer where we need all the respect we can muster. I actually watched the USA-Portugal WC game at a youth hostel with a bunch of Irishmen who were baffled by that fact that I was cheering for the States. They assumed that all Canadians would cheer against the dreaded Americans. Don't know if I'm normal though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_Yank Posted October 3, 2003 Author Share Posted October 3, 2003 quote:Originally posted by MediaGuy That's how I think Crazy Yank (I even cheer for Mexico - although its hard sometimes)...especially with soccer where we need all the respect we can muster. I actually watched the USA-Portugal WC game at a youth hostel with a bunch of Irishmen who were baffled by that fact that I was cheering for the States. They assumed that all Canadians would cheer against the dreaded Americans. Don't know if I'm normal though.... I've found that most Canadian soccer fans root for the US. I wonder why they thought you'd root against us? The only real sports rivalry we have is hockey and you guys always beat us at that. Hopefully soccer can develop a heated rivalry between our nations. I've thought the US and Canada should play at least 3 friendlies a year. P.S. I only root for Mexico when they're playing a non concacaf opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bob Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Well, for USA - Portugal I'd root for the Americans. Seriously, I've always been a fan of the little countries that always suck, and CONCACAF has their share of those guys...your Costa Ricas, your El Salvadors (I think they're in CONCACAF, but whatever), those guys. I typically don't cheer -agaist- the bigger CONCACAF countries like Mexico and the States except when they're playing a team I like more, but I wouldn't say I cheer for them either. Unless they're playing Brazil or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Can't cheer for Mexcio no matter who they play. Usually hope for the US and the rest of CONCACAF to do well, but there are a handful of European teams that I have a soft spot for: Holland, Denmark, Scotland & Poland whom I will cheer for ahead of any CONCACAF nation except Canada. I generally like to see CONCACAF temas do well and hope to see the entire region continue to improve across the board (or at least the top 10-12 teams). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulV Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 For whatever reason, I personally find it hard to actively support teams or countries that I don't have any personal connection with. I have nothing against the other CONCACAF nations, but I've really only travelled in Canada and the U.S. (and a very brief visit to Mexico). I've done more travelling in Europe, and have family connections there (albeit distant), so I tend to follow Europe more closely in tournaments like the World Cup. Occasionally, a team that I don't have any connection with will win me over due to a particular player or team play (eg. Cameroon). I also have a personal rule to always support New Zealand in any sport. :-) So, anyway, I'm happy to see the smaller Central American or Caribbean nations do well but probably not particularly due to the fact that they're from CONCACAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 I want the CONCACAF teams to do well at the World Cup, but it's usually tough to cheer for them. I did cheer for the US against Portugal, but I was actively hoping they'd get thrashed in their other two games. I usually don't have trouble cheering for Mexico at the Cup and in Japorea I supported Costa Rica ahead of everyone else. I don't cheer for them in anything else though, if say we're knocked out of the Gold Cup, I don't care who wins (besides I guess hoping someone from our confed actually wins tha damn thing). It's only at the World Cup that i bother to worry about how our reputation will stand. cheers, matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobe_z Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Being one-third of http://www.fifaconcacaf.com I pretty much cheer for all the CONCACAF countries. Mexico and USA are usually last resort on my list though.. and only when they're playing non-CONCACAF countries. Possibly the only time I'd cheer for another country against CONCACAF would be Korea due for family relations (but that didn't stop me from relishing our victory over them in Gold Cup 2002, nor the infamous coin toss in 2000...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 It's always fun to cheer for the under dogs, but most CONCACAF sides don't appeal to me. I'll watch most of the USA matchs that are broadcast but turn off the audio for the odvious reasons. Now that you got me thinking, Geezus, maybe somewhere deep down in my ultra-nationalist, socialist, frozen Canadian soul I am desplaying a kinship for our fellow colonists. Yikes. All other CONCACAF sides can rot in hell.[}] Wheeeh. There. That feels better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Cheeta I'll watch most of the USA matchs that are broadcast but turn off the audio for the odvious reasons. I hear ya! Three minutes into the China-Canada WWC match I switched from ESPN to the spanish commentary (even though I don't understand a word of Spanish). Anywho, I always cheer for Concacaf teams unless its the U.S., in which case I will cheer against them no matter who they're playing. - Go GERMANY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 i rarely cheer for a concacaf over anyone else....i did cheer for portugal over usa. i can't cheer for the big bad machine. i like the people, don't like the policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Hi, I will support every CONCACAF team except T&T and Jamaica. I can’t support T&T because of that prick, Jack Warner, and Jamaica because they are not a real team and I hate the whole pseudo Jamaica lifestyle co-opted by every dope smoking white Rasta. Go to Kingston and see how Ja it is, brother. The Jamaican and Trinidadian people are fine, no problem there. I support the USA as I feel that their success will benefit Canada in the long run. I have no problem with Mexico, except Azteca. They rest are all fine by me. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABuffalo786 Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Geez, I guess we've become the England to your Scotland. [Nelson Muntz] HA-HA!!! [/Nelson Muntz] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 I like to see our region do well, but I will always cheer for an underdog within this region when one of them are playing the US, Costa Rica or Mexico. I will cheer for the US Men's Team--never, never the Women's--in international play, but I would cheer for France and Germany and Scotland over the US any day. It is often difficult to cheer for anything that comes out of the US simply because the lack of humility its teams/players etc often display. For instance, in the 1996 Summer Olympics, I believe, Canada's 4x100 relay team won the gold, but despite finishing second--by a decent margin--the US team and media went around claiming they were "the best and fastest in the World." Even when the US loses, they think they've won. Vietnaam was a roaring success. The war of 1812 another superb feather in the cap for US moral sentiment. (The US attacked the not-yet-confederated colonies of what would soon become Canada with an army 8 times larger than what we could muster, with the full intention of conquering the entire region, but instead ended up with Lake Michigan and portions of the other Great Lakes. A great victory, indeed). Anyhow, to get back to the point, I do want CONCACAF to do well simply because it benefits Canada in the long run. Yes, this may seem mercenary, somewhat "American", but whoever said Canadians were a bunch of "really nice, socialist softies" hasn't spent enough time looking at the truth. (And, by the way, socialism is anything but soft. Though I am sure good Ol' Boy, Doyle G, will want to rip into that claim with some "hard-nosed" Alliance pragmatism..) Crazy Yank--I am glad you post here. Us Canucks need to see that many Americans are actually very cool, very humane etc. The dude from Buffalo--yes, in many ways we are Scotland to your England--for better and for worse. Actually, the majority of the British living in this country--and who helped form it--are not in fact English, but Scottish. Right down to the folks who run our national soccer association. vive le Canada!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 I have a problem with Mexico, El Salvador, T&T, & Guatemala generally. The El Salvadoreans at the last GC were very rude and kept saying "Canada sucks" even though we beat Costa Rica. Guatemala, well in 1988, since they upset us in WCQ 1990, were pricks (bags of piss, the Pesch flag incident, etc.). And Mexico, well, Azteca attitude and the diving, and how they were in Toronto (WCQ 2000)... I've no problem with anybody, especially the people. Only if they're disrespectful. But incidents like the cocky T&T players when they eliminated us in August 2000, well, I was glad they were LAST in the hex. I will cheer for Costa Rica since they match up well with us and the fans are great sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Oh yeah, and I'll cheer for the Americans (except against us) since they generally are supportive of us, and the fact that my cousins are Americans too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueviking Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 sorry to break in on this american love fest. Call me narrow minded, but i dont cheer for the united states in any sport. Its like cheering for the new york yankees all the time. What's the point if you know that they are going to always win. Americans do nothing but win at whatever they do. They are by far the largest(first world)and most powerful country on the earth. It is a natural human instinct to cheer for the underdog. The United States is never the underdog in any sport. Even soccer, a sport that 95 percent of Americans ridicule and have no interest in, the national team somehow ranks higher than 200 other nations and are right with countries in which the sport is a religion. How can you support a national team that is better than almost everyone in the world, in a sport that means nothing to the people who live in that country? Call it jealousy or whatever you want. I can not support a team that has all the advantage. In all sports, it is the rest of the world trying to catch up to the americans, because they have such a massive population and economic base to draw from. Cheering for them is like cheering for the bully who steals the lunch money of the computer nerd every day at school. I just can't do it simply because i happen to live next to them. Nevermind the fact that they are always the favourite in every sport they they participate in, American athletes in general rarely practice any level of humility or respect for athletes of any other nation. I cant watch their track athletes posing at the finish line in complete disrespect for everyone else, one more time. I know those are different sports, but they act that way in every sport including soccer. Look at their hockey players. They are all the jerks in the NHL (roenick, modano, hull, tkachuk). This isnt a coincidence. They are brought up to belive that they are the best in the world and they act like it. The typical American attitude is that they are the best (which they usually are) and if they are not, then it is obviously not something worth being the best in, and they make fun of it. It is a navel gazing nation that has very little interest in the rest of the world (not just sports). Dont get me wrong, I think in general American people are warm hearted and well meaning people, as a group. I respect many things about them and their society. I have many American friends, who I love. It is not their fault that they are the only super power on earth. But they are. It is for this reason that they act the way they do and they are the dominant player in every sport that they play. Proximity is the only reason that i can see any Canadian supporting an American team. That isnt enough for me. There needs to be more reason for me to support a team. Respect for CONCACAF is not nearly enough reason to override these other factors. In general i support whoever is playing against the americans...I dont care who it is. I know that I will be called petty and jealous for saying these things, but if you think about it, it is the opposite. i am not seduced by the romance of the most powerful nation on earth. Look beyond the bright lights and you will see that there are many other nations who deserve your support ahead of our powerful brothers. Support countries who have a love for the game, not just a love for winning. a great Winnipeg band once said.... I don't need your war machines I don't need your ghetto scenes Coloured lights can hypnotize Sparkle someone else's eyes Now Woman, get away from me American Woman, mama let me be begin insults here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueviking Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 geez...now i feel bad...i was just reading the posts on other topics from the american's on this board ...they all seem like really nice guys. sorry....nothing personal. you guys have an excellent highway system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 quote:Originally posted by trueviking How can you support a national team that is better than almost everyone in the world, in a sport that means nothing to the people who live in that country? Errr... the U.S. is a LOOOOONNG way from being "better than almost everyone in the world" in soccer. Sucking in the sport for 100 years, having 2 good games and then sucking for another 16 months doesn't make them "better than almost everyone in the world" in soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueviking Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 ranked 11th out of 204 is better than almost everyone else in the world. FIFA thinks that only ten country's national teams are better than the U.S. and 193 teams are worse. in my books top 5 percent, is better than almost everyone else. they are ranked higher than italy. last month they were higher than england. facts are facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 quote:Originally posted by trueviking ranked 11th out of 204 is better than almost everyone else in the world. FIFA thinks that only ten country's national teams are better than the U.S. and 193 teams are worse. in my books top 5 percent, is better than almost everyone else. they are ranked higher than italy. last month they were higher than england. facts are facts. Except that the FIFA rankings is not a fact! It's just a BS-formula put together by some guys with too much spare-time on their hands. The rankings are not even used for things like seeding in major international tournaments or even in qualifying for major tournaments, which should tell you that even FIFA thinks they are meaningless! Like I said in another thread, I stopped paying attention to these dumb rankings around 1999 when I discovered that the Dutch team wasn't climbing up the rankings at all despite drawing back-to-back games against Brazil (and in Brazil), and the U.S. was beating up on scrub teams and rocketed up the FIFA rankings past Holland (despite coming off a dead-last finish in the 1998 WC while Holland kicked arse in that World Cup). So if you say the US is now ahead of Italy, it wouldn't surprise me and I'll just laugh cuz it only proves how stupid those rankings are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABuffalo786 Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 quote:Originally posted by trueviking sorry to break in on this american love fest. Call me narrow minded, but i dont cheer for the united states in any sport. Its like cheering for the new york yankees all the time. What's the point if you know that they are going to always win. Americans do nothing but win at whatever they do. They are by far the largest(first world)and most powerful country on the earth. It is a natural human instinct to cheer for the underdog. The United States is never the underdog in any sport. Even soccer, a sport that 95 percent of Americans ridicule and have no interest in, the national team somehow ranks higher than 200 other nations and are right with countries in which the sport is a religion. How can you support a national team that is better than almost everyone in the world, in a sport that means nothing to the people who live in that country? Call it jealousy or whatever you want. I can not support a team that has all the advantage. In all sports, it is the rest of the world trying to catch up to the americans, because they have such a massive population and economic base to draw from. Cheering for them is like cheering for the bully who steals the lunch money of the computer nerd every day at school. I just can't do it simply because i happen to live next to them. Nevermind the fact that they are always the favourite in every sport they they participate in, American athletes in general rarely practice any level of humility or respect for athletes of any other nation. I cant watch their track athletes posing at the finish line in complete disrespect for everyone else, one more time. I know those are different sports, but they act that way in every sport including soccer. Look at their hockey players. They are all the jerks in the NHL (roenick, modano, hull, tkachuk). This isnt a coincidence. They are brought up to belive that they are the best in the world and they act like it. The typical American attitude is that they are the best (which they usually are) and if they are not, then it is obviously not something worth being the best in, and they make fun of it. It is a navel gazing nation that has very little interest in the rest of the world (not just sports). Dont get me wrong, I think in general American people are warm hearted and well meaning people, as a group. I respect many things about them and their society. I have many American friends, who I love. It is not their fault that they are the only super power on earth. But they are. It is for this reason that they act the way they do and they are the dominant player in every sport that they play. Proximity is the only reason that i can see any Canadian supporting an American team. That isnt enough for me. There needs to be more reason for me to support a team. Respect for CONCACAF is not nearly enough reason to override these other factors. In general i support whoever is playing against the americans...I dont care who it is. I know that I will be called petty and jealous for saying these things, but if you think about it, it is the opposite. i am not seduced by the romance of the most powerful nation on earth. Look beyond the bright lights and you will see that there are many other nations who deserve your support ahead of our powerful brothers. Support countries who have a love for the game, not just a love for winning. a great Winnipeg band once said.... I don't need your war machines I don't need your ghetto scenes Coloured lights can hypnotize Sparkle someone else's eyes Now Woman, get away from me American Woman, mama let me be begin insults here... First of all as stated before, the FIFA World Rankings are utter garbage. If you want any idea of where we are, I would say the USA is one step behind the Irelands and Cameroons of the footballing world. Secondly, I can see where you come from with your "Anyone but the USA" setiment. If I wasn't American, I'd probably dislike the USA to some degree as well. The only problem I have with your first post is that you mentioned that our Soccer players suffer from the same arrogance problems our runners and hockey players do. The actions of some of our athletes at the Athletics World Championships in France this summer were inexcusable and disgraceful to this country. Being a Sabres fan, let me tell you that I absolutley detest the current members of our national Hockey team (save Drury ). I just don't understand where the contempt for our national football team comes from. From what I can tell, these guys are pretty decent and they aren't blinded by celebrity like some of our athletes are. When we beat Portugal at Japorea, I know DeVos made a backhanded comment about the USA, but I thought he was just poking fun. Did our boys do something to Canada that I'm not aware of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueviking Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 i agree FIFA's rankings are bogus. that's another argument completely. however...The U.S. was top eight in the world cup only one year ago. a goal away from top four. cant argue with those results. a lot of teams that we all believe are better than them are ranked lower and did not reach the same level that they did on the biggest stage of all. thats two pretty solid reasons for my statement that they are better than most countries in the world. seems like it cant be true eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueviking Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 sabuffalo...i agree, the soccer players certainly are not as bad. i guess i tend to paint them with the same brush as other american athletes. i often listen to the comments of the players and coach and interpret them as arrogance. This might be because i have a tainted perspective from athletes in other sports however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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