Mexicano Americano Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Hello, Mexico fan here. I always like to read what the opposition is thinking and I am definitely not here to talk trash or anything like that. I am rooting for Canada to advance instead of Honduras or Jamaica. While playing in Chiapas doesn't give Mexico the same type of home field advantage that they'd have at Azteca, I think it will still be pretty strong. The stadium in Chiapas is one of the crappier ones in Mexico. And the fans in Chiapas should be pretty vocal. It's more like playing in Central America with the extreme weahter and dilapidated stadium. It will be extremely hot and humid. Mexico has played games there before and done well. I don't know much about Canada's roster other than De Rosario and Onstad since I'm from the U.S. and I've seen them play in MLS. Both are pretty damm good. I am assuming they'll be part of Canada's starting 11? Here's to a good game tommorow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieeatworld Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 hey guy. Welcome to the board! thanks for the info on Chiapas and the kind words. Ive actually played and talked to alot of people from mexico online on fifa 08 and they were all pretty cool guys.. anyways heres to a good match today! p.s. Santiago Munez is my hero! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 You won't be seeing Onstad starting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante79 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 welcome amoung us! we just hope to see a good game tomorrow, or actually tonight since its 3am now! I heard it will be hot and humid tonight in Chaipas, anyways we'll see what happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Hey welcome to the fourm. This will likely be our roster for the game tonite. Lars Hirschfeld | G | Edmonton, AB | ROM / CFR Cluj Pat Onstad | G | Vancouver, BC | USA / Houston Dynamo Jim Brennan | D | East York, ON | CAN / Toronto FC Julian de Guzman | M | Scarborough, ON | ESP / Deportivo La Coruna Dwayne De Rosario | M/F | Scarborough, ON | USA / Houston Dynamo Rob Friend | F | Kelowna, BC | GER / Borussia Mönchengladbach Ali Gerba | F | Montréal, QC | ENG / Milton Keynes Dons FC Richard Hastings | D | Vancouver, BC | SCO / Inverness CT Iain Hume | F | Brampton, ON | ENG / Barnsley FC Atiba Hutchinson | M | Brampton, ON | DEN / F.C. København Dejan Jakovic | D | Etobicoke, ON | CRO / Red Star Belgrade Ante Jazic | D | Bedford, NS | USA / Los Angeles Galaxy Mike Klukowski | D | Oshawa, ON | BEL / Club Brugge KV Kevin McKenna | D | Calgary, AB | GER / 1. FC Köln Issey Nakajima-Farran | M | Calgary, AB | DEN / FC Nordsjælland Olivier Occean | F | Brossard, QC | NOR / Lillestrøm S.K. Adrian Serioux | D/M| Scarborough, ON | USA / FC Dallas Paul Stalteri | D/M | Brampton, ON | ENG / Tottenham Hotspur In terms of the starting 11, your probably going to see something like this ---------------------Lars Hirchfield----------------- Paul Staltari---Richard Hastings---Adrian Serioux----Mike Kulkowski Issey Nakajima---Atiba Hutchionson--Julian De Guzman--Dwayne Derosario -----------------Rob Friend----Ian Hume What is the Mexican starting 11 looking like with the absence of Pardo and Salicido? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-toronto Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Is this picture telling us who the starting 11 are? 10 players not including Lars. Looks like Friend and Brennan are starters for this game if the picture is to be believed. sep 9 on the csa site. http://canadasoccer.com/eng/index.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 That's Issey with his hands clasped behind his back, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca That's Issey with his hands clasped behind his back, I believe. If that picture holds true, my predicting starting line-up looks correct (except Brennen for Kulkowski). I think it's important to get a guy like Nakajima in the line up because he can take on defenders. Brennen will bring some experience back to the side as well. Question is--who's the guys behind Mitchell? It looks too short to be McKenna and too tall to be Hume. Surley isn't Gerba or Occean Perhaps it's Jazic?....mabye Kulkowski? Wouldn't say it's Jakovic.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denis Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 I can't see Kulkowski not starting. He's been the best performer in the back line and Brennen would not be an upgrade at that position. I'd like to see Hasting replaced however. We know Brennen can play CB, wonder if Kulkowski could move to CB and then push Brennen to LB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Obinna If that picture holds true, my predicting starting line-up looks correct (except Brennen for Kulkowski). I think it's important to get a guy like Nakajima in the line up because he can take on defenders. Brennen will bring some experience back to the side as well. Question is--who's the guys behind Mitchell? It looks too short to be McKenna and too tall to be Hume. Surley isn't Gerba or Occean Perhaps it's Jazic?....mabye Kulkowski? Wouldn't say it's Jakovic.... I am pretty sure that's Klukowski. We could be looking at the same back four, then Brennan out left, Issey out right with De Ro, De Guzman and Atiba in the middle. Or perhaps switch Issey with De Ro out wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 quote:Originally posted by denis I can't see Kulkowski not starting. He's been the best performer in the back line and Brennen would not be an upgrade at that position. I'd like to see Hasting replaced however. We know Brennen can play CB, wonder if Kulkowski could move to CB and then push Brennen to LB? Really! I have been a big proponent of his in the past and still think that he is an excellent player. But quite honnestly, from what i have seen in two games, I think he is more suited to be a central defender instead. He just doesn't possess the pace and mobility thats required in the modern game for that position. He has shown a willingness to come fwd and thats good, but not much materializes when he does. Good offense ( goals ) often starts from the back. Brennan has always been very dependable defensively. And he has shown to be much more effective comming fwd. Has scored for TFC and has created ( with nice pin pointed crosses ) goals for Canada. I am at a loss as to why he has not started in two games for Canada. Brennan's exclusion from the starting line up and the fact that Sutton did not start in the first game has me wondering if DM has a bias against a particular MLS team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Is the game gonna be shown on any of the television networks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Sportsnet... all of them (live). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexicano Americano Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 To answer Obinna's question, I think you'll see the same starting 11 for mexico that played against Honduras and Jamaica, with the exception of Salcido and Pardo of course. You may see Torrado who plays at Cruz Azul in Mexico, take over for Pardo and probably see Aaron Galindo, who plays for Eintracht Frankfurt in Germany, take over for Salcido. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denis Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Free kick Really! I have been a big proponent of his in the past and still think that he is an excellent player. But quite honnestly, from what i have seen in two games, I think he is more suited to be a central defender instead. He just doesn't possess the pace and mobility thats required in the modern game for that position. He has shown a willingness to come fwd and thats good, but not much materializes when he does. Good offense ( goals ) often starts from the back. Brennan has always been very dependable defensively. And he has shown to be much more effective comming fwd. Has scored for TFC and has created ( with nice pin pointed crosses ) goals for Canada. I am at a loss as to why he has not started in two games for Canada. Brennan's exclusion from the starting line up and the fact that Sutton did not start in the first game has me wondering if DM has a bias against a particular MLS team Guess well find out tonight as Brennen appeartly will start LB and Klukowski in the center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb of Mtl Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 wow this mexican fan doesnt even live in CANADA and he treats us more respect that our opposition that LIVES IN CANADA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexicano Americano Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 Seb of Mtl: I am a U.S. Citizen, born and raised but my parents are Mexican and when it comes to Soccer, I am 100% Mexican. I cringe when I see the behavior of some Mexican fans (and Central American fans - since we get lumped together) here in the U.S. More than anything, the behavior of these fans is because of Socio-Economic factors, and not due to the fact that they are Mexican, Honduran or whatever. I suspect it's kind of the same thing in Canada, but here in the U.S., the majority of immigrants are not really educated and this is reflected in the way they support their teams. I've been to Mexican National Team and Mexican league games here in the U.S. and also in Mexico, and I can tell you that the Mexican fans are much better in their actual country, then they are here. The folks who behave poorly are really a small segment of their respective country's population and not a reflection of the entire fan base. I felt compelled to respond because I understand there were some unfortunate incidents at your game with Honduras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 ^ A friend of mine with the RCMP said that 90% of the crack dealers in Vancouver (Van. East side) are Honduran. The socio-economic argument, I'm afraid, is probably more true than one would like to admit in wealthy countries such as ours. The other factor: sometimes we all misbehave a little when we are on holiday and drunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexicano Americano Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 Well, hell, at least they're not Mexican...lol. But seriously, I truly feel the socio-economic factor is the primary reason. For instance, I've been to the World Cup in France and Germany, and the majority of Mexicans that followed, are fairly wealthy, upper-class and from Mexico. It's not like gardners and dry-wallers can afford the trip. These are the type of Mexicans that would look down at my family for having emmigrated to the U.S. and would assume my family immigrated illegaly, even though they didn't! For the most part (NOT ALL CASES) immigrants to any country are not the cream of their original country's crop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Well, in Canada that is not quite the case. For over a hundred years, the 'cream of the crop' so to speak, whether it was from England or the rich British subjects running away from the Yanks and moving north, ran eastern Canada. Same could be said about BC. Not so much the Prairie Western where the Ukrainians, for example, were truly the most destitute of immigrants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 ^^ Ed, most of the Greeks and Italians (mostly from the south) came because they couldn't find work in their home countries. No one would ever claim the Irish were the cream of the crop either. I think the phenomenon that mostly well educated immigrants get in to Canada is quite recent. And that's from us stealing us the cream of the crop from India, Eastern Europe and wealthy Hong Kong-ites getting out of Dodge before the commies take their loot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 ^^ Good point, and since I've Frog in my blood, I'll add that a good many of the early French immigrants were not particulary well off either. Most were farmers looking for a better life, better opportunity--some fleeing religious persecution (only to find more of it in Quebec). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Mexicano Americano To answer Obinna's question, I think you'll see the same starting 11 for mexico that played against Honduras and Jamaica, with the exception of Salcido and Pardo of course. You may see Torrado who plays at Cruz Azul in Mexico, take over for Pardo and probably see Aaron Galindo, who plays for Eintracht Frankfurt in Germany, take over for Salcido. If i'm not mistaken, I watched Galindo in the Honduras Mexico Gold Cup game--he deffinatly isn't a bad player and wasn't out of place by any means, so Mexico might not lose much at left back (Although I have never seen Salcido play, I'm just assuming his quality based on his club--PSV). I don't recall ever seeing Torrado play, so how do you rate him compared to Pardo? I get the impression he's your top center midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexicano Americano Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 You're right, Pardo is one of our better players, definitely the best midfielder we have. Torrado is decent though not on the same level as Pardo. His best soccer was back in 2002 when he really played well against Italy in the WC. He had a brief stint in Europe after that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Again, thanks for the info. Interesting about Torrado. If his best soccer was 2002, does that mean he's an older player? Because he played in the 2002 WC, he will bring experience to the side, Regardless of his age. Another question, who starts up front for you guys? I know you have alot of options--Vela, Bravo, Nery, Blanco, Bogetti(he still with the team)? I haven't seen Vela play before, but I have seen Nery(Man City player i think), he impressed me ALOT, dangerous player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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