nawarr1975 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 if any one can tell me please who will be the referee for tonight big game in the CSL serbian withe eagles and toronto croatia, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Isn't it that Bosnian guy? Sorry, couldn't help myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Why does it matter who the referee is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Because it's expected to be a pretty heated game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawarr1975 Posted September 7, 2006 Author Share Posted September 7, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Daniel Isn't it that Bosnian guy? Sorry, couldn't help myself. Bosnian guy ... thats a good one for this game my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawarr1975 Posted September 7, 2006 Author Share Posted September 7, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Richard Why does it matter who the referee is? Richard...its only matter in this game man ?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Would it matter just as much if it were not two ethnic teams with a history of national friction and warring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawarr1975 Posted September 7, 2006 Author Share Posted September 7, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Richard Would it matter just as much if it were not two ethnic teams with a history of national friction and warring? thats why who is the referee dos matter very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Then such a situation should not be allowed to exist within a domestic Canadian league let encouraged as the CSL has done. This is not international soccer. That's exactly why I believe ethnic teams are a bad idea from the get go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakwood Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Richard Then such a situation should not be allowed to exist within a domestic Canadian league let encouraged as the CSL has done. This is not international soccer. That's exactly why I believe ethnic teams are a bad idea from the get go. Yeah, but ethnic teams are a bigger draw. And the bottom line is making money, something the Serbian team has done this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 They're still a bad idea because they foster ill-feeling and keep alive animosities and feelings that people supposedly came to Canada to escape. Exploiting this for financial gain is base and destructive to the Canadian larger social fabric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawarr1975 Posted September 7, 2006 Author Share Posted September 7, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Richard They're still a bad idea because they foster ill-feeling and keep alive animosities and feelings that people supposedly came to Canada to escape. Exploiting this for financial gain is base and destructive to the Canadian larger social fabric. any way, I am going now to see the game ,I will let you know about it soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawarr1975 Posted September 8, 2006 Author Share Posted September 8, 2006 quote:Originally posted by nawarr1975 any way, I am going now to see the game ,I will let you know about it soon Serbian white lost 3 - 0 to croatia, its first lost of the year so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakwood Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 The croatians were in total control all game...the Serbians only had one chance, a free-kick that hit the cross-bar. Again, the Serbian fans went over board and started yelling slurs and making monkey sounds when one of Croatia's black players was taken off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Breakwood The croatians were in total control all game...the Serbians only had one chance, a free-kick that hit the cross-bar. Again, the Serbian fans went over board and started yelling slurs and making monkey sounds when one of Croatia's black players was taken off. Haven't seen that much Serbian anger since the Kosovo conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSG Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 I have to agree with Richard and say that ethnic teams are a bad idea. If there is a lot of animosity between the various ethnic groups (eg: Serbians and Croatians) then it doesn't tempt the general public into taking in a game of an evening. However, the CSL (late 80's and early 90's) didn't exactly work either. It's difficult to know which way to go with domestic soccer in Canada. If the Serbian White Eagles are making money though, the more power to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 Yes, I agree completely with Richard. It is pure bush-league. Mind you, if the CPSL is happy getting a couple of hundred Serbs and Croats out to their matches, and has no interest in being taken serious as a viable national league, then the CPSL can fill their boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawarr1975 Posted September 8, 2006 Author Share Posted September 8, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Breakwood The croatians were in total control all game...the Serbians only had one chance, a free-kick that hit the cross-bar. Again, the Serbian fans went over board and started yelling slurs and making monkey sounds when one of Croatia's black players was taken off. yes ...serbian fan should be penalies and fine( by CSL) for their ( racism) behavior last game, things like this should not be happend in canada, I hope the referee will report what the serbian fan was yeling to the black croations player all the game ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanKeay Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 Ethnic teams are what makes this league survive. Im not saying there good and all.. but id rather see the CSL have 500 people to watch a game for Croatia and serbia... then 25 moms and pops watching the durham storm and london city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 quote:Originally posted by SeanKeay Ethnic teams are what makes this league survive. Im not saying there good and all.. but id rather see the CSL have 500 people to watch a game for Croatia and serbia... then 25 moms and pops watching the durham storm and london city If that's what works in Ontario, then I wish the CPSL all the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T5 Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 There's no real money in playing soccer here in Canada. If there were you would see real professional teams with Croations and Serbians playing side by side. One of the reason's ethnic players stick to their own nationality teams is the fact that they are pressured to do so by their own supporters including their parents, be they Italian, Croation, Serbian, Portuguese or any nationality that supports local clubs. It's the reality of soccer in Ontario. Maybe it's different in the West. It is very seldom that as youths these ethnic players play for other than their own clubs. It is a source of pride for club and the nationality. It is extremely difficult to field these ethnic players for teams that play in the higher level leagues (even though their parents realize it would be good for the player) such as the OYSL premier division. Their parents and their clubs would rather win the local recreation or district league than allow their better players to "move up". It hasn't changed in my lifetime and isn't about to soon. All on this board realize this as a fact of life. If you don't you're kidding yourself. So why now the disenchantment with the CSL following the pattern established? They are following the flow; going with what is; trying to establish a fan base; maybe the money will follow. I also would prefer to not have it as such, but if it moves the league forward and achieves some "success for soccer" in general, I'm all for it. JMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 quote:Originally posted by T5 There's no real money in playing soccer here in Canada. If there were you would see real professional teams with Croations and Serbians playing side by side. One of the reason's ethnic players stick to their own nationality teams is the fact that they are pressured to do so by their own supporters including their parents, be they Italian, Croation, Serbian, Portuguese or any nationality that supports local clubs. It's the reality of soccer in Ontario. Maybe it's different in the West. It is very seldom that as youths these ethnic players play for other than their own clubs. It is a source of pride for club and the nationality. It is extremely difficult to field these ethnic players for teams that play in the higher level leagues (even though their parents realize it would be good for the player) such as the OYSL premier division. Their parents and their clubs would rather win the local recreation or district league than allow their better players to "move up". It hasn't changed in my lifetime and isn't about to soon. All on this board realize this as a fact of life. If you don't you're kidding yourself. So why now the disenchantment with the CSL following the pattern established? They are following the flow; going with what is; trying to establish a fan base; maybe the money will follow. I also would prefer to not have it as such, but if it moves the league forward and achieves some "success for soccer" in general, I'm all for it. JMHO I don't see how holding players back from playing in higher levels "achieves success for soccer." It's just another reason why it stinks and is counter-productive. And no, it is not the same on the Prairies. Sure we have ethnic based amateur teams, but none that have large loyal followings. National champion clubs like Lucania and Sons of Italy are lucky to get 30 friends and family to watch their match. And they aren't watching because they are italian, they are generally watching because they have friends and family playing. And there's no more italians playing than scottish. I never saw anyone held back from playing with the Winnipeg Fury so they could play for their ethnic bush-league club. Do you think soccer fans in Winnipeg are interested in watching TO Croatia or Serbia, or Italia ? We have our own ethinc teams and nobody cares, so don't expect anyone to care about TO's. I can't think of anything more hated out here than a TO ethnic club. So if the CPSL wants to truly be a CSL, they can start acting like a true national league (as the CSL was), instead of another Ontario based ethnic league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Robin Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 Amato DeLuca was the referee. Best in the CSL ! See my detailed report in the Week 17 thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccerman2 Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 quote:Originally posted by T5 There's no real money in playing soccer here in Canada. If there were you would see real professional teams with Croations and Serbians playing side by side. One of the reason's ethnic players stick to their own nationality teams is the fact that they are pressured to do so by their own supporters including their parents, be they Italian, Croation, Serbian, Portuguese or any nationality that supports local clubs. It's the reality of soccer in Ontario. Maybe it's different in the West. It is very seldom that as youths these ethnic players play for other than their own clubs. It is a source of pride for club and the nationality. It is extremely difficult to field these ethnic players for teams that play in the higher level leagues (even though their parents realize it would be good for the player) such as the OYSL premier division. Their parents and their clubs would rather win the local recreation or district league than allow their better players to "move up". It hasn't changed in my lifetime and isn't about to soon. All on this board realize this as a fact of life. If you don't you're kidding yourself. So why now the disenchantment with the CSL following the pattern established? They are following the flow; going with what is; trying to establish a fan base; maybe the money will follow. I also would prefer to not have it as such, but if it moves the league forward and achieves some "success for soccer" in general, I'm all for it. JMHO They aren't fans.They are a fanatical group, (THE ULTRA-SERBS / www.ultra-serbs.com) which also have a club in London. Where ever the White Eagles Play, they will be there.A few weeks ago they removed a ton of vidio clips and pictures off their web site.I down loaded a few of them.They were brutal. Now all I have to do is find where I put them.When I do I'll post them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I thought the nationality of these children of immigrants whose parents push them into ethnic teams would be Canadian. If so many people think this ethnic structure is bad for the development of players and others think it is bad for Canadian unity et al then why is the CSL endorsing it so thoroughly by introducing their 'international division'? This is a complete endorsment by the CSL of the corrosive ethnic based soccer structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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