mlsintoronto Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 At some point in the next 24 hours, you all will be able to go to www.torontoprosoccer.com and vote for your choice of: Toronto FC Inter Toronto FC Toronto Northmen FC Toronto Nationals Toronto Reds or Other. At some point in the future we'll all laugh about the chain of events that led to the very passionate opinions on Inter. There is an explanation for the things that are registered vs don't need to be registered vs can't be registered... Suffice to say that many keyboard strokes were wasted on this issue! The site will be up until April 30, I think. You can also get your name on the list for ticket info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 quote:Originally posted by mlsintoronto At some point in the next 24 hours, you all will be able to go to www.torontoprosoccer.com and vote for your choice of: Toronto FC Inter Toronto FC Toronto Northmen FC Toronto Nationals Toronto Reds or Other. At some point in the future we'll all laugh about the chain of events that led to the very passionate opinions on Inter. There is an explanation for the things that are registered vs don't need to be registered vs can't be registered... Suffice to say that many keyboard strokes were wasted on this issue! The site will be up until April 30, I think. You can also get your name on the list for ticket info. Can't access the site. Which is a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcaout Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Wow MlsinT.O. closing the show with the choose your own adventure option. Well I just got through all 9 pages, and I agree with a lot of what I read. Inter does pander to Euro-team/some Italians. But as pointed out that's the route MLS is taking these days, copying other teams names or pushing for an ethnic support. I don't like Inter, City, United, Real, Orient, or whatever they've all been done, and to use any of them would be copying. I also think its unfortunate that people would not go because of the name. So my solution, which I feel really represents the polyethnic, creative, energtic and passionate character the Toronto Soccer Scene seems to have is go by what name you like. If you and your 15 buddies are huge AC fans, don't skip the games, you 15 dudes call them AC Toronto. Make T shirts in the team colours (Blue and white surely) and instead of the logo MLSE chooses make your own, or adapt the logo so instead of "Inter" it says "AC" everything else could probably be the same. Use chants that don't play up the "Name" but the city, the colours, the players, other truely unique and characteristic aspects of what the team really is. If you had different supporters groups supporting the Toronto MLS team in there own ways, using the soccer culture they are comfortable with, that they love then in the stadium you would have what I feel is likely a more truthful, colourful, representation of the soccer scene and the city. You can call yourselves international or diverse or whatever but this would make your team without a recognized name the only one in the world. So people would probabily just call it Toronto. And I think Toronto as a team name is great. But if you must call it something else then do so, its your team call it what you like, just make sure you support it and if making the team more 'you' is what you need to do, then do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 quote:Originally posted by G-Man Can't access the site. Which is a shame. He said "at some point in the next 24 hours", and he said that just a couple of hours ago. <mod> Also, Jeffrey's objections to your earlier comments are valid. Please refrain from such comments. </mod> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 quote:Originally posted by DJT He said "at some point in the next 24 hours", and he said that just a couple of hours ago. <mod> Also, Jeffrey's objections to your earlier comments are valid. Please refrain from such comments. </mod> Noted. I promise not to mock the looks of Italian women. I just hope the days of posting images of young nubile females within threads are also a thing of the past. What's worse, describing an image of an aging Italian widow or posting softcore porn? And why advertise something when it's not ready? sorry to say but it's pretty bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 quote:Originally posted by G-Man Noted. I promise not to mock the looks of Italian women. I just hope the days of posting images of young nubile females within threads are also a thing of the past. What's worse, describing an image of an aging Italian widow or posting softcore porn? And why advertise something when it's not ready? sorry to say but it's pretty bush. WTF??? I agree, Hollywood should stop advertising movies that aren't ready..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayWay Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 quote:Originally posted by mcaout Wow MlsinT.O. closing the show with the choose your own adventure option. That's awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayWay Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 quote:Originally posted by mcaout I also think its unfortunate that people would not go because of the name. So my solution, which I feel really represents the polyethnic, creative, energtic and passionate character the Toronto Soccer Scene seems to have is go by what name you like. If you and your 15 buddies are huge AC fans, don't skip the games, you 15 dudes call them AC Toronto. Make T shirts in the team colours (Blue and white surely) and instead of the logo MLSE chooses make your own, or adapt the logo so instead of "Inter" it says "AC" everything else could probably be the same. Use chants that don't play up the "Name" but the city, the colours, the players, other truely unique and characteristic aspects of what the team really is. If you had different supporters groups supporting the Toronto MLS team in there own ways, using the soccer culture they are comfortable with, that they love then in the stadium you would have what I feel is likely a more truthful, colourful, representation of the soccer scene and the city. You can call yourselves international or diverse or whatever but this would make your team without a recognized name the only one in the world. So people would probabily just call it Toronto. And I think Toronto as a team name is great. But if you must call it something else then do so, its your team call it what you like, just make sure you support it and if making the team more 'you' is what you need to do, then do it. Aside from the obvious exaggeration, I actually kind of agree with this. And this is why I like Toronto FC. It's clean, fairly classy, but most importantly, it's a blank slate that fans can project their own identities on. This can be ethnic identity, national identity, or just stylistic preferences. The important thing is it leaves it up to the fans. This reminds me of these Jewish Hab fans I saw a while back who had made shirts with the "CH", but inside the logo they had inserted Hebrew text that spelled out the name of the team. I thought it was really neat how they had applied their own cultural traditions to the team. It's appropriate too, since Jews have always constituted one of Montreal's major cultural communities since the early mid-1800's, so it was a reflection of how that community is an entrenched, permanent part of Montreal civic culture and life while still a distinct group. It's like a manifestation of the multicultural idea: diverse groups come together to contribute to and build one community with a common civic identity in the centre while still retaining distinct cultures. In this case, the Habs acted as a symbol of that unified centre. It was like order from chaos. On the other side of the fence, it'd be terrible if MLSE decided to just pander to one ethnic group and thus create a static and limiting official image when this team could possibly act as a unifying force for all the soccer-loving cultural communities in Toronto. Let the Italians call it AC Toronto, or the Portuguese the Samba Boys. The important thing is it all traces back to the same reference point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcaout Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Jayway thank you for your imput but just want to be clear on two things: 1. I support the fan lead evolution of the name to Toronto. That is because it would be the only common link between all the various names and simultaniously the definitive embodiment of the supporters, team, management, city and everything related to the MLS team. 2. I was not at all exaggerating but dreaming of a post-modern soccer team, apart from anything seen before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayWay Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 quote:Originally posted by mcaout 2. I was not at all exaggerating but dreaming of a post-modern soccer team, apart from anything seen before. Do you think Michael Ondaatje would endorse our team? Maybe we can have an Ondaatje Theme night. On this day the second half can be played first and half-time can be held sometime following pre-game warm-ups. Finally, the game will end in an ambigious draw, providing little satisfaction and few answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 quote:Originally posted by loyola WTF??? I agree, Hollywood should stop advertising movies that aren't ready..... Ha, yeah... MLSE should also not announce anything more about the team until Opening Day of 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 quote:Originally posted by loyola And why advertise something when it's not ready? sorry to say but it's pretty bush. WTF??? I agree, Hollywood should stop advertising movies that aren't ready..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 I see www.torontoprosoccer.com is now open for business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest speedmonk42 Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Hmmm I can't seem to make the form submit, or there is no indication that it has submitted. Not sure if it is me, or how the thing works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 quote:Originally posted by G-Man This is a league that controls players contracts from a central office. That once moved it's star player (Donovan) from San Jose to LA without consulting fans on whether their franchise player should be re-assigned to it's biggest rival! Thanks for the history lesson. You forgot the part where Donovan left MLS for Bayer Leverkusen. I'm not going to respond to the other stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 quote:Originally posted by speedmonk42 Hmmm I can't seem to make the form submit, or there is no indication that it has submitted. Not sure if it is me, or how the thing works. hopefully you didn't provide any real info on yourself. cause right now, someone might have your IP address, service provider, home address, phone numbers, email account. and add that up with a real name...and some bad intentions. It's funny what people will give away to a stranger on the internet, but not on a street corner. and Rudi..some more history...Donovan signed with Bayern when he was 17. So what's the point? he wasn't signed with the MLS. And had he been, the MLS would have gotten any transfer fees and not his MLS club. So the fans of that MLS club, had he been signed, would have lost the best young American player of his generation and not even gotten the cash to reload it's roster. [xx(] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 quote:Originally posted by speedmonk42 Hmmm I can't seem to make the form submit, or there is no indication that it has submitted. Not sure if it is me, or how the thing works. Did you fill in all the required fields on the form part to the right? Required fields are marked with an asterisk. Without doing so it won't accept your vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadian_bhoy Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 they should have called the team the Toronto St Pat's. inter toronto is a really cheesy really bad name...St pat's is good b/c it has something to do with toronto. MLSE dropped the ball huge on this one...I won't support inter italian community of toronto fc (no offense to italians) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest speedmonk42 Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 hopefully you didn't provide any real info on yourself. cause right now, someone might have your IP address, service provider, home address, phone numbers, email account. ------------------ Well that info has been given out soooo many times it must be accessible in hundreds of different ways. My email address combo is now very very old. It is possible, but man if you are going to go to the work of pilfering such information there has to be better places than the 50 or so you might get from this forum. I can't say I am too concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 quote:Originally posted by G-Man So the fans of that MLS club, had he been signed, would have lost the best young American player of his generation and not even gotten the cash to reload it's roster. [xx(] I wasn't aware that the fans were entitled to any money in regards to transfer fees. [8)] By buying into MLS, each investor /operator knows the single entity set up of the league, as each investor owns a piece of that entity. The league gets the transfer money, the team gets an allocation to use on another player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Rudi I wasn't aware that the fans were entitled to any money in regards to transfer fees. [8)] By buying into MLS, each investor /operator knows the single entity set up of the league, as each investor owns a piece of that entity. The league gets the transfer money, the team gets an allocation to use on another player. but in the MLS supporters are supposed to support their teams even if the league deem that another market needs a winner more. it's the anti-league or the closest thing to communism in pro sports. it's no longer, what's good for my club, but what's good for the league. There's a reason why KC is **** and LA isn't. Why Salt Lake will never win a cup and why larger markets will have rosters that favour their chances... I doubt any real football nation would stand for it. Imagine the NHL run that way. And in the end, the supporters groups who wear scarves and spend thousands on face painting supplies will always get the shaft. I'll stick to supporting the USL. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 I will vote for an other: Toronto City. Of all the names heard on these boards, and after musing for a long while, I think it is the best. It's enduring, it is clear, it has history without referencing clearly a single club. I was not sure at first, but I have been convinced, those defending it here have done a good job. I seriously doubt anyone in greater TO would mind either. Of the others suggested on the site, I think Northmen is useless, I have stated my opinion about Inter, think Reds is not appropriate for TO. If any Toronto FC would be acceptable. I also like the Blizzard, it is a great name, but since it seems they have decided against it from the start, I won't waste my vote on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 quote:Originally posted by G-Man There's a reason why KC is **** and LA isn't. Current MLS standings</u> KC Wizards 3-0-0 9pts LA Galaxy 1-1-1 4pts MLS Cup Winners</u> 4 - DC United 2 - LA Galaxy 2 - San Jose Earthquakes 1 - Kansas City Wizards 1 - Chicago Fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Rudi Current MLS standings</u> KC Wizards 3-0-0 9pts LA Galaxy 1-1-1 4pts MLS Cup Winners</u> 4 - DC United 2 - LA Galaxy 2 - San Jose Earthquakes 1 - Kansas City Wizards 1 - Chicago Fire We'll see where they sit in September. A few trades should help the slumping larger markets. And by the way-- San Jose is a huge market with some 10 million living in a 50KM radius. So in 10 years, the 4 largest markets have won 9 of 10. All we need is New York with a title. Funny how Columbus isn't in that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 quote:Originally posted by G-Man We'll see where they sit in September. A few trades should help the slumping larger markets. And by the way-- San Jose is a huge market with some 10 million living in a 50KM radius. So in 10 years, the 4 largest markets have won 9 of 10. All we need is New York with a title. Funny how Columbus isn't in that list. Neither is New York, New England or Dallas. Clearly MLS is holding those three small markets down. (DC is a much smaller market than either Dallas or Boston, btw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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