msilverstein47 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 a bit of a detective story...but I kinda like the return of the Fusion... http://americansoccernow.com/articles/will-david-beckham-name-team-miami-fusion-fc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Really? Because I sort of thought that particular vessel crashed, burned, and left no survivors. Funny isn't it how history's disasters manage to echo through time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finchster Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Pro sports in Florida is terrible, most of the teams are at the bottom half of attendance and revenue in every league. NHL team values rank (per Forbes) Florida 23 Tampa 29 MLB Miami 26 Tampa bay 30 NBA Miami 7 Orlando 15 NFL Miami 16 Jacksonville 31 Aside from the Heat, Florida is a terrible place for pro sports, I don't think the Fusion will do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Pro sports in Florida is terrible, most of the teams are at the bottom half of attendance and revenue in every league. Including the Heat, Florida is a terrible place for pro sports, I don't think the Fusion will do well. Fixed your post. The Heat is 7th mostly because they have the best and most marketable team in the league. Before the decision, they had the top scorer of the league and a playoff team and the team was drawing flies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 So what is the problem with Florida then? Too much nice weather means everyone always has something better to do, or what is it? Either way, Orlando City had some pretty good numbers in USL Pro (for the tier) last season, and the influx of a BUNCH of Florida teams at the same time could create some rivalries I wouldn't count this one dead until the box is open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finchster Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Fixed your post. The Heat is 7th mostly because they have the best and most marketable team in the league. Before the decision, they had the top scorer of the league and a playoff team and the team was drawing flies. Yes, it is rather modern the Heat are are rated so highly correct. So what is the problem with Florida then? Too much nice weather means everyone always has something better to do, or what is it? Either way, Orlando City had some pretty good numbers in USL Pro (for the tier) last season, and the influx of a BUNCH of Florida teams at the same time could create some rivalries I wouldn't count this one dead until the box is open. The biggest problem is College Football and NASCAR are the big things in that state. Not to mention many seniors who don't care about sports and transplants from other states or areas that only care when their home team shows up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 The Fusion were doing reasonably OK the first time around from what I remember. The problem was that the I/O that they had wasn't in the same wealth league as Lamar Hunt and Philip Anschutz and couldn't afford the cash calls the league was making to keep the franchises that were still playing in huge NFL and college football stadiums afloat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 The biggest problem is College Football and NASCAR are the big things in that state. Not to mention many seniors who don't care about sports and transplants from other states or areas that only care when their home team shows up. Possibly, but I think the demographics have changed a lot since they last tried it in Miami. Even higher latino population, for example. Not only that, but the league has grown making soccer more attractive in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 The Fusion were doing reasonably OK the first time around from what I remember. The problem was that the I/O that they had wasn't in the same wealth league as Lamar Hunt and Philip Anschutz and couldn't afford the cash calls the league was making to keep the franchises that were still playing in huge NFL and college football stadiums afloat. Miami was playing at Lockhart stadium had the best eam in the league and was 9th out of 12 teams in attendance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Miami was playing at Lockhart stadium had the best eam in the league and was 9th out of 12 teams in attendance That's like TFC playing at Ivor Wynne in Hamilton to put things in perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillium Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 a bit of a detective story...but I kinda like the return of the Fusion... http://americansoccernow.com/articles/will-david-beckham-name-team-miami-fusion-fc http://factfinder2.census.gov/bkmk/table/1.0/en/DEC/10_DP/DPDP1/0500000US12086 Some reading of the demographics of Miami and some extrapolations lead me to believe Miami is in fact a small market for MLS, that combined with per capita income levels .... well its makes having 30k stadium not viable, and I wonder if they can sustain 20k stadia on a ongoin basis. Almost 900,000 Miami residents claim Cuban descent, hispanic yes, but not from a soccer nation. The numbers of second or third generation persons in the above 900k may well have some interest in soccer, but I suspect its a lot less then market in Toronto. A demographic comparison of the two populations reveals a lot for anyone willing to do some reading and make some assumptions. I actually think a second MLS or NASL franchise in Toronto can be more successfull as a cash machine then a Miami soccer franchise even if its made "hip" by having Beckham and friends investing. All that said a SSS in downtown on waterfront at the Cruise Port may well work, but its not going to be Seattle or Portland type market. Per capita income Toronto [TABLE=width: 0] [TR] [TD]2012 Per Capita $[/TD] [TD=align: right]37,613[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Per capita income Miami/Dade $21,044 source ( http://www.bestplaces.net/economy/county/florida/miami-dade ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingback6 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Pro sports in Florida is terrible, most of the teams are at the bottom half of attendance and revenue in every league. NHL team values rank (per Forbes) Florida 23 Tampa 29 MLB Miami 26 Tampa bay 30 NBA Miami 7 Orlando 15 NFL Miami 16 Jacksonville 31 Aside from the Heat, Florida is a terrible place for pro sports, I don't think the Fusion will do well. And where exactly are Orlando City FC on this list? They seem to have done pretty well for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKottonmouthed1555362307 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 And where exactly are Orlando City FC on this list? They seem to have done pretty well for themselves. Those are Forbes' numbers, I don't think Forbes rates Second Division North America clubs. I know in 2012 OCSC had about 3.5k season ticket holders in a 5.3k stadium, so not too bad. The only way Miami works out is if a quality rivalry can established between the two clubs in Florida, even then the fickleness of Florida sports fans is a very large risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 The Tampa Bay Bucs are missing from that Forbes list compiled by Finchster. They are 17th in value right behind the Dolphins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msilverstein47 Posted March 6, 2014 Author Share Posted March 6, 2014 more Miami Fusion talk... http://americansoccernow.com/articles/fusion-heats-up-could-this-be-mls-s-newest-logo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msilverstein47 Posted April 15, 2014 Author Share Posted April 15, 2014 opposition to SSS at Port of Miami... http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1786252/shipping-alliance-runs-ad-opposing-david-beckham-proposed-waterfront-mls-stadium?cc=5901 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msilverstein47 Posted May 7, 2014 Author Share Posted May 7, 2014 http://news.yahoo.com/miami-mayor-proposes-beckham-stadium-180634335--sow.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msilverstein47 Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/07/03/4217653/david-beckham-group-expected-to.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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