Grizzly Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Ok about time for this since we are supposed to have a new coach by the end of the month and there are absolutely no rumours lets hear some predictions. My prediction is Mitchell even though it seems like the timing is poor in regards to the U-20 WC. The last press release implied it wasn't going to be Hart and as cynical as I am about the CSA I can't see them hiring Hart. Likewise the total lack of rumours/signs of a search seem to point to it being an internal candidate of which only Mitchell seems to be a decent choice. Someone has to be making the Bermuda selections. Maybe they will surprise us and have been in top secret negotiations with a big name coach but if so the CSA guys should be hired by CSIS because whatever their failings as soccer managers they sure can keep a secret. Anyway bring on the rumours/wild speculations and predictions. Maybe that master predictor wildboy will decide to weigh in with another $200 bet to choose some coach who hates Hirschfeld! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Ricardo Lavolpe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 I am now convinced that its not Mitchell. Otherwise why make the anouncement at this time. The biggest priority right now for the CSA is the U20 team. There would be no point in tacking on extra senior duties for Mitchell when your faced with an important U20 event that is only a few months away whereas South Africa 2010 is in three years. Plus how would Mitchell juggle the comittments for Gold Cup preparation along side the U20 WC this summer. I thought that Mitchell had it in bag but when I heard that they were going to make the announcement so soon, I believe that it wont be him. If it were to be Mitchell, why not wait until Sept or October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 I think it will be Mitchell with Hart's interim status extended until August. Hart will then replace Mitchell as the U-20 coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coup franc Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Hi guys, 1st time poster, but very long time lurker (going back to the GC 2000, believe it or not ). I was watching "Extra time" this morning on GOL TV, hosted by Lee Godfrey. Lee announced that rumour was Rene Simoes, brazilian coach, formely coaching Jamaica, T&T, Honduras and the Bazilian NWT, amongst others, was the CSA's choice for our new MNT's coach..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 quote:Originally posted by coup franc Hi guys, 1st time poster, but very long time lurker (going back to the GC 2000, believe it or not ). I was watching "Extra time" this morning on GOL TV, hosted by Lee Godfrey. Lee announced that rumour was Rene Simoes, brazilian coach, formely coaching Jamaica, T&T, Honduras and the Bazilian NWT, amongst others, was the CSA's choice for our new MNT's coach..... Could they afford Rene ? It would certainly raise the profile of the senior World Cup team, which was a stated objective of Linford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANC2 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 Simoes would be a popular choice with his credentials. Simoes has been around with rather mixed results. After Jamaica where he took them to te WC and then did not do well with his second attempt. He went to T&T and had a hard time in T&T. He coached the U17's & did not win a game with their U17's. Took over the seniors in the Hex & then made a bold move with the senior team dropping Yorke and Latapy. Since then he has been coaching Women I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 I am predicting it will be someone I've never heard of before. I can't say who in particular, because if that was the case, I'd have heard of them. Because of the timing I also don't think it would be Mitchell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest speedmonk42 Posted March 10, 2007 Share Posted March 10, 2007 If the announcement is at the end of March, that only leaves a four month crossover for the U20's and the Seniors. It would seem insane to miss the Gold Cup though. Hell it's not like our senior coaches actually pick the team, the pro teams that our players play for do. Maybe the CSA will announce some kind of new high tech coaching tool, tele-coaching. Coaches will be able to actually coach up four teams at once anywhere in the world. I think Simoes would be a disaster. I'll be honest, I can't give you any concrete reason why, it's just my gut reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
behrouz Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Simoes was in Iran for almost a year .he took charge of under 23 ,for Asian game which his team got third place and that consider as disaster for Iran football .Iran football federation didn’t extend his contract for Olympic qualification .i don’t think he can take Canada to world cup, I believe European coach is a better option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Gut feelings aside, I don't think there's any question the RS's credentials surpass both Mitchel and Hart, both professionally and internationally. Are we only picking from these three ? Surely there must be some other established coaches that applied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 quote:Originally posted by behrouz Simoes was in Iran for almost a year .he took charge of under 23 ,for Asian game which his team got third place and that consider as disaster for Iran football .Iran football federation didn’t extend his contract for Olympic qualification .i don’t think he can take Canada to world cup, I believe European coach is a better option Welcome back brother, it's been a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 At the time of hearing of the appointment of our previous two head coaches, I recalled a feeling of optimism and satisfaction. But with Simoes ( if it does turn out to be him)I get a sense of nervousness. From what I know of his track record, I just dont see anything in his background that is "awe inspiring". It looks like they were looking for a "turn around " specialist, but Simoes doesnt remind me of Bora Milutinovic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Oranje Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Yes, I agree Simoes doesn't fit for me too. On top of that, the fact that Simoes gave an interview in January saying that he wasn't looking for a job and that his daughter was ill makes me think that his name was raised by someone and the rumour has developed from there. Brazilians typically are very family oriented. I find it very difficult to see how someone with Simoes' strong religious beliefs and family issues can move so quickly to a coaching opportunity like the one here in Canada. But who knows? Maybe there is something that I am missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zedsdead Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Hello Gents, was domw in Florida last week and stopped by the TFC training camp to watch there game versus Creighton and asked Pozniak who he thought the next MNT coach would be. His response was one of Hart, Mitchell or Simoes. Just my opinion but judging from his response I got the feeling that Rene would be the next coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 I like Simoes for maybe four impelling reasons. 1-We can afford him. 2-He is not Mitchell or Hart, he is new, so the message is clear: fresh start. 3-He is not altogether unknown, he has experience, he has been in our region, he has footballing ideas. 4-He applied, meaning he actually wanted to leave his home in Brazil and come to coach soccer in Canada. Have to admire that. I think we are going to have fun with him and classify for the HEX for sure, playing well and enjoying ourselves. As a team of our calibre should at least up to that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 I agree that Hart selecting the team does not mean a whole lot. Equally, agree with Jeffrey, on Simoes, especially #2. I can see Mitchell as the "Mister" one day, but not today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georg Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 If Simoes is the next coach, will he be a full time coach? As winter arrives will he stay in Canada or head south until maybe June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted March 13, 2007 Author Share Posted March 13, 2007 I think Simoes would be a good choice, maybe not without some risk but most of the non-risk candidates are probably out of our budget range. He doesn't have Bora's track record but he also doesn't have Bora's salary demands and his track record is still pretty decent. If Morgan is telling the truth about Hart making the selections it doesn't rule out Hart but probably rules out Mitchell as he could make the selections just as easily as Hart. The fact of Simoes daughter being sick may not preclude him moving to Canada and may even be an advantage. Remember Romario played in Miami partly because his sick daughter would receive good medical care in the US. Simoes may not have wanted to move his family to Iran but may be willing to move to a country that has good health care. Simoes has limited experience as a club coach so while he claims he is getting offers they may not be from countries that he wants to move his family to. Living and working in Toronto where his family lives with the odd road trip is a far cry from working in Tehran and returning to visit his family every few months. While Canada may not be attractive as a soccer nation there are many things that are attractive about the Canadian lifestyle and standard of living and this is an advantage in attracting a good coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Oranje Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 First off, if the choice was Hart or Mitchell, why wait until the end of March to make the announcement? They are already employees and they are Canadians. If there were reasons to wait to have them take over, they could be given in an announcement. For that reason, I do believe that the CSA is hiring a foreign coach. On Simoes, the sick child is only one of a few reasons that lead me to be a little surprised (the reality would be the choice of taking the family to Canada vs leaving them in Brazil while coaching elsewhere). While I am not in a position to say anymore, my questions involve a similar candidate who I know has applied. The question is how do you narrow the list of candidates to a list of three that includes only one of the two? I suppose withdrawal or salary demands may be possibilities but it still makes me wonder if the rumours are almost true but without a key element of truth. Simoes may still have been chosen because of superior CONCACAF experience but the other guy has had more success so there is still a question in my mind. Also, if a Brazilian Coach was not looking, he would not have known about the Canadian coaching position because it wasn't being advertised. Simoes says in an interview at the beginning of January that he wasn't interested in another coaching position. My question is how long would it take for him to become aware of the Canadian opportunity and to decide that he was going to apply? Say the end of January? Now, what is the probability of having two Brazilian Coaches of similar stature apply at the same time (the other guy applied at the end of January) for a job in Canada that wasn't advertised? I guess we will know soon enough and for me, something isn't fitting yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I know this may sound like anathema, but I am not really against a national team coach not living in Canada. At least I am not obsessed by it. Just like we have players in other countries, our coach could live elsewhere as well, at least part time. As long as he was still doing his job. The only problem with this for me is that I would accept a coach living in Europe, going to see games with our player pool every weekend, getting out to the spots where we historically have never sent our coaches (Greece, Norway, Spain, Czech Republic). Living in Brazil there would not be too much to do I admit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkhs Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 I think every men's side has two choices: do we want to hire a WC specialist, like Milutinoviæ or Hiddink; or, do we want to try to find a long-term program builder, like Morten Olsen? (The third choice, which Canada tends to make, is to go for someone who is neither[:I]) I must admit that I was hoping for an Olsen-type, someone who would influence the program from the youth system on up. I feel like Simoes would be more like a low-rent Hiddink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted March 13, 2007 Author Share Posted March 13, 2007 quote:Originally posted by gkhs I think every men's side has two choices: do we want to hire a WC specialist, like Milutinoviæ or Hiddink; or, do we want to try to find a long-term program builder, like Morten Olsen? (The third choice, which Canada tends to make, is to go for someone who is neither[:I]) I must admit that I was hoping for an Olsen-type, someone who would influence the program from the youth system on up. I feel like Simoes would be more like a low-rent Hiddink. I think we clearly need a type 1 WC coach who can get immediate results from the talent we have. The type 2 role can be filled by the technical director. A bonus if we get 2 in 1 but the youth development and talent has increased greatly in the last 10 years without a corresponding increase in national team performance. In fact, I think the thing that would most increase our youth development is if the Men's national team qualified for the WC so that Canadians could see that we not only have a team but also one that can compete on the world stage. We currently have a very good talent level for qualifying from CONCACAF but they have underachieved for quite a while. The ideal would be a coach who could inspire the players to overachieve but given past performances I would almost be happy for someone who could just get them to perform at the level of their ability. I agree that we have largely had type 3 coaches that were neither good coaches for the Men's team nor good at building the program. This is due to our propensity to hire unqualified or underqualified coaches. In my opinion only Waiters was a true type 1 coach. Ossieck was a bit of a mix of type 1 and 2 but was ultimately more sucessful in program development than with the senior team results other than the Gold Cup victory. The other coaches have all been type 3, ie. bad results and no legacy, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANC2 Posted March 13, 2007 Share Posted March 13, 2007 quote:Originally posted by gkhs I think every men's side has two choices: do we want to hire a WC specialist, like Milutinoviæ or Hiddink; or, do we want to try to find a long-term program builder, like Morten Olsen? (The third choice, which Canada tends to make, is to go for someone who is neither[:I]) I must admit that I was hoping for an Olsen-type, someone who would influence the program from the youth system on up. I feel like Simoes would be more like a low-rent Hiddink. Hiddink was paid 2.5 million by Australia, just for your information. With Canada's entire budget for all National Teams at 5 million. As someone said "no money, little games, no league, no real desire to make the senior mens team the flag ship" Who in their right mind would take the job. Jamaica, Guatemala, Trinidad, El Salvador all operate with bigger budgets. You know why they do not spend equal amonts on their womens' program. Those countries like most of the World right or wrong do not concern themselves with women soccer. Don't execute the messenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 CSA still searching March 13, 2007 TORONTO (CP) -- The president of the Canadian Soccer Association says the search for a head coach continues. GolTV reported that 54-year-old Brazilian Rene Simoes, former coach of Jamaica and Trinidad and Tobago, has won the job. The Globe and Mail also pointed to Simoes. "We're still going through the interview process," Colin Linford said Tuesday. "We don't have an announcement to make yet." Asked if they had chosen a coach, Linford said: "No, we're still looking." Canada has been without a permanent coach since Frank Yallop stepped down last June to take over the Los Angeles Galaxy of MLS. Stephen Hart has served as interim coach. The CSA is also looking for a chief executive officer and technical director. After a period of relative inactivity, the Canadian men will be back in action this summer at the Gold Cup. Canada also has a friendly in Bermuda on March 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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