jaydog2006 Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 There will be 19 teams in the usl this year. 01 A-League Team 12 W-League Teams 01 Psl Team 04 Pdl Teams =16 teams Now the fun starts there are 3 spots could ottawa,hamilton,calgary be thoses 3 other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydog2006 Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 Originally posted by jaydog2006 There will be 19 teams in the usl this year. 01 A-League Team 12 W-League Teams 01 Psl Team 04 Pdl Teams 18 teams Now it seems like ottawa and hamilton will not happen this year i have heard the 19th will be calgary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 How can Calgary be an "expansion" team - they've been in the league already for two years. I don't think change in name or ownership qualifies a team as being expansion if they are already in the league (and I don't recall the Whitecaps being called an expansion team when they switched names & owners a few years back). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David C. Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Wouldn't Edmonton be the A-League expansion team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydog2006 Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 The calgary club will be an expanson team.In this case they ownership did not change hands the team folded.And the new owners are expected to be granted a brand new team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Your usage of the terms "folded" and "expansion" are not colloquial, to say the least. Or if you are simply using the language the league is using, it is they who are using the terms bizarrely (or incorrectly). For all intents and purposes, the league can not (and will not) be seen to expand into Calgary for the upcoming season when there has already been a team there past two years. By folding, the common understanding there is that a team disappears altogether, rather than find new owners without missing any time in the league, which is what will happen with Calgary, has happened with Montreal & Vancouver, as well as Toronto & Hamilton in the CFL. In each case the league ran the team until new owners could be found after the old ones left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Montreal and Vancouver did not fold. The league kept these team afloat until new owners were found. I do not know what the situation is in Calgary, perhaps they will "fold" the team as to make it a whole fresh entity or new "franchise". Just like Milwaukee Wave United was an expansion team and not associated with Milwaukee Rampage. Vancouvers name change can not be used as an example for anything here. A new owner came in (who shall remain unnamed), bought the club and changed it's nickname in the offseason. It still remained the same club (or franchise) as it was before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamiltonfan Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 hamilton could never well be that 19th team. Have there been other talk outside of canada for an a-league team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Krammerhead Montreal and Vancouver did not fold. The league kept these team afloat until new owners were found. That's what G-L said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Rudi That's what G-L said I was agreeing! [] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrek Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Yeah I'd have to agree with GL. Calgary isn't an expansion team, they were already there last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Not that it matters but if the previous club in Calgary folded, as I understand it, any new Calgary based club wouldn't be commited to the previous Storm contracts or depts. The old club, it's depts and commitments died, is gone, and the new club if it receives approval starts fresh from square one in a city that dosen't currently have a club even though it did have one last year. Thus an expansion team in a community which had A-League footy the year before. Could be wrong but I don't remember this being the case in Vancouver anyway. Wheeh. Bull**** logic. Lawyer talk? Or more likely the recognisable zig-zag thought process seen in pre-teen arguments explaining unfinished homework lessons, incompleted chores, so on, so forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franky Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 what is Edmonton considered the original six?????[)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrek Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 When you expand, you expand onto new territory. Calgary is not new territory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercanuck Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 From www.uslsoccer.com USL AOM starts Friday 120 clubs to meet at the Annual Operations Meeting this weekend -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tuesday, November 4, 2003 TAMPA, FL -- United Soccer Leagues will hold its Annual Operations Meeting this coming weekend as its teams come together to plan for the 2004 season at the Hilton in Clearwater Beach, Florida Friday, November 7 to Sunday, November 9. Team representatives from 120 teams in the A-League, Pro Soccer League, Premier Development League and W-League, which is entering its 10th Anniversary season, will meet to work on details for the upcoming season such as league regulations and schedules. Among the attending will be representatives from 19 expansion clubs in the four leagues, including the previously announced Edmonton Aviators of the A-League and Harrisburg City Islanders of the PSL. Among the 12 expected new W-League teams will be Western Mass, Richmond, West Michigan, Sudbury, Edmonton Aviators, Detroit Jaguars. The Ajax Orlando Prospects will be one of four projected expansion clubs in the PDL along with provisional clubs from last year Abbotsford Rangers and Jersey Shore Boca, who will be full official members in 2004. Also on the agenda for the AOM is the annual presentation of seasonal team awards such as Organizations and Executives of the Year. In addition, USL will hold the Second Annual Hall of Fame ceremony Friday evening, inducting the previously announced six Builders (Brian Davidson, Tom Engstrom, Neil Farnsworth, Bill George, Chuck Jacob, Manuel ‘Buzz’ Lagos), two Coaches (Buzz Lagos, Bill Palladino), two Players (Mark Baena, Kim Wyant) and six 10+ Clubs (Cape Cod Crusaders, Des Moines Menace, Long Island Rough Riders, Minnesota Thunder, Montreal Impact, Seattle Sounders). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercanuck Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 From www.uslsoccer.com USL AOM starts Friday 120 clubs to meet at the Annual Operations Meeting this weekend -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tuesday, November 4, 2003 TAMPA, FL -- United Soccer Leagues will hold its Annual Operations Meeting this coming weekend as its teams come together to plan for the 2004 season at the Hilton in Clearwater Beach, Florida Friday, November 7 to Sunday, November 9. Team representatives from 120 teams in the A-League, Pro Soccer League, Premier Development League and W-League, which is entering its 10th Anniversary season, will meet to work on details for the upcoming season such as league regulations and schedules. Among the attending will be representatives from 19 expansion clubs in the four leagues, including the previously announced Edmonton Aviators of the A-League and Harrisburg City Islanders of the PSL. Among the 12 expected new W-League teams will be Western Mass, Richmond, West Michigan, Sudbury, Edmonton Aviators, Detroit Jaguars. The Ajax Orlando Prospects will be one of four projected expansion clubs in the PDL along with provisional clubs from last year Abbotsford Rangers and Jersey Shore Boca, who will be full official members in 2004. Also on the agenda for the AOM is the annual presentation of seasonal team awards such as Organizations and Executives of the Year. In addition, USL will hold the Second Annual Hall of Fame ceremony Friday evening, inducting the previously announced six Builders (Brian Davidson, Tom Engstrom, Neil Farnsworth, Bill George, Chuck Jacob, Manuel ‘Buzz’ Lagos), two Coaches (Buzz Lagos, Bill Palladino), two Players (Mark Baena, Kim Wyant) and six 10+ Clubs (Cape Cod Crusaders, Des Moines Menace, Long Island Rough Riders, Minnesota Thunder, Montreal Impact, Seattle Sounders). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercanuck Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 The Candian presence in the USL looks stronger heading into 2004. A-League: Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto, Montreal PDL: Abbotsford, Calgary?, Thunder Bay W-League: Vancouver, Edmonton, Ottawa, Toronto, Sudbury. With all that there are still rumblings out of Winnipeg, Ottawa and Hamilton on the mens side. Did I miss anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercanuck Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 The Candian presence in the USL looks stronger heading into 2004. A-League: Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto, Montreal PDL: Abbotsford, Calgary?, Thunder Bay W-League: Vancouver, Edmonton, Ottawa, Toronto, Sudbury. With all that there are still rumblings out of Winnipeg, Ottawa and Hamilton on the mens side. Did I miss anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarnCherry Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Jarrek When you expand, you expand onto new territory. Calgary is not new territory Actually not always. Like I said above Milwaukee Wave United was an expansion team, because the team that came before them, the Milwaukee Rampage actually did fold. Same territory, new owners, different team. Calgary on the other hand, never folded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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