Juby Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 TFC beat Philadelphia on a Danny K goal in the 88th, I don't get the channel so I'm looking forward to match reports. From the gamecast, Toronto clearly out shot Philly despite the lone goal. edit: How do I change the title, my bad for the spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Maybe change the thread title for those who haven't seen the game Good performance but I need to say Ryan Johnson is talented as hell but I'm not sure if he's selfish or just plain stupid sometimes, his decision making is awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 About f@#$ing time! K man to boot. Backs up his talk with a timely goal. Serves Nowak right for cheaping out on LeToux. We're happy to have him play for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 They should have won this game. The opponent was not that good and should have been down a couple of goals at half time but the missed chances kept Philly in the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyam Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Good performance but I need to say Ryan Johnson is talented as hell but I'm not sure if he's selfish or just plain stupid sometimes, his decision making is awful. Even before he arrived in Toronto, Ryan Johnson had among the worst strike rates in the league, certainly the worst strike rate among regular starters when he played for San Jose. Strike Rate is usually measured as the ratio between goals / shots. The statistical relationship between shots and goals is actually a low correlation, but players that have more shots score slightly more goals than those with less shots. Even still, looking at Johnson's strike rate, he was the worst performer early in the 2011 season before he came to Toronto, with a strike rate of LESS than 5%... that means, he could have taken 20 shots and still might not get a goal. Aron Winter's should really take a page out of Billy Beane's playbook. Koeverman's is still technically recovering. He also looks slow and lazy... but he puts ball in the back of the net at a good rate. Johnson does not. I'd be interested to know the strike rate of Alan Gordon compared to Ryan Johnson. Gordon has scored 3 straight clutch goals (game winners or game tying goals) for San Jose in the last three matches. http://www.sounderatheart.com/2011/4/6/2094798/stats-dropping-shots-on-goal-out-of-the-picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Ryan Johnson = Poor Man's Chad Barrett. Only younger, slower, and with a darker tan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Ryan Johnson = Poor Man's Chad Barrett. Only younger, slower, and with a darker tan. Johnson is a lot more talented than Barrett ever was, he's just a dumb footballer. He has a great combination of height, speed and dribbling ability, sure its not blazing speed but for his size it's all you can ask for. You can't fault his effort and passion either, he's always giving it his all but he ends up wasting his effort on selfish or stupid plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyam Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Johnson is a lot more talented than Barrett ever was, he's just a dumb footballer. He has a great combination of height, speed and dribbling ability, sure its not blazing speed but for his size it's all you can ask for. You can't fault his effort and passion either, he's always giving it his all but he ends up wasting his effort on selfish or stupid plays. I agree... But this is a results based business.... Effort is meaningless, you need to be a shark in front of goal. Barret put up a lot of effort too... You can have the athleticism, the look, strength and even work effort... But Billy Beane (Winters) needs players that can get on base (score goals). Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 I agree... But this is a results based business.... Effort is meaningless, you need to be a shark in front of goal. Barret put up a lot of effort too... You can have the athleticism, the look, strength and even work effort... But Billy Beane (Winters) needs players that can get on base (score goals). Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 Goals would be nice but the key is just getting Johnson to contribute to the team, this isn't baseball we need him involved in things that can't be measured... build up, smarts, movement. He could be an effective player he just needs to pick his shots better and not be a selfish prick, he'd have a lot more assists to show up on his stat page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyam Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Goals would be nice but the key is just getting Johnson to contribute to the team, this isn't baseball we need him involved in things that can't be measured... build up, smarts, movement. He could be an effective player he just needs to pick his shots better and not be a selfish prick, he'd have a lot more assists to show up on his stat page. Winters shouldnt use him as a centre striker, if his greatest attribute is something other than scoring... Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Winters shouldnt use him as a centre striker, if his greatest attribute is something other than scoring... Not to beat up on Johnson too much (just yet), I don't want to sound like I think he deserves to be crucified, but that's just it isn't it? Enthusiasm, no matter how contagious shouldn't be a singular enough reason to justify a place on a team's 1st 11. To be fair, things having gone such as they have so far I'm quite sure we haven't seen the best of any of the Toronto players, not by a long shot. Maybe Johnson will find his rhythm soon enough, maybe not, but Geezus if anybody out-there has played their way onto the bench so far this season it HAS to be Eckersley and Johnson. Johnson has to deliver the goods. He isn't making everyone else around him that much better with what he does. The good news is he's got a couple of weeks now to find his mojo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 He seemed to have his mojo during the Amway Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyam Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Goals would be nice but the key is just getting Johnson to contribute to the team, this isn't baseball we need him involved in things that can't be measured... build up, smarts, movement. He could be an effective player he just needs to pick his shots better and not be a selfish prick, he'd have a lot more assists to show up on his stat page. Hes a center striker, he needs to score. But his job and s to set up, then put him as a winger or attacking mid... Former Nottingham Forrest Manager Brian Clough effectively used the strike rate stat to recruit strikers... Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyam Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 He seemed to have his mojo during the Amway Cup. I dont think he ever had his mojo. Take enough shots he'll eventually score. The goals just fell in non league play. The guys strike rate has been bad since he was in san jose (below 5%). He has consistently had poor finosh through out his career. Winters really has to look at his long term stats and he'll find a poor history... Kik Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lattes Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 ^ RJ has a nice cross, I don't see why he doesn't live on the wing. For some reason he freaks out and misses shots he shouldn't. Maybe meditation would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Ryan Johnson = Poor Man's Chad Barrett. Only younger, slower, and with a darker tan. Um, Ryan Johnson is actually older than Chad Barrett. I think a more apt comparison (both being Jamaican) is Johnson is a bigger, slower version of Jeff Cunningham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Hes a center striker, he needs to score. But his job and s to set up, then put him as a winger or attacking mid... Former Nottingham Forrest Manager Brian Clough effectively used the strike rate stat to recruit strikers... Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 But if you're using those stats that isn't really fair because he has split time between the left wing (where he should be) and the centre forward position. FWIW he was scoring the most goals from the left wing spot at the beginning of the season when Koev was starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruud Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Boy - i'm just glad they got the win. The thing is that TFC midfielders also don't often look like scoring. Anyone see the salaries of the players in the MLS. I think this list is hilarious - like one big happy family. Some crazy low salaries for some guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyam Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 But if you're using those stats that isn't really fair because he has split time between the left wing (where he should be) and the centre forward position. FWIW he was scoring the most goals from the left wing spot at the beginning of the season when Koev was starting. The stat is based on a shots:goals ratio, not # of matches to goals. Based on this stat, it means hes miss firing both as a winger and a center striker. I still think the goals he does score are based on the law of average. Take 20 or more shots and eventually a couple squeek past keeper. It just happens to fall in a big tourny, but as a coach, u still cant rely on the guy. Chad Barrat scored more in Voyageurs and CCL (two goals against Montagua) play than in the league for TFC as well, and was always in the right place at the right time and found all sorts of creative ways to miss the net. Nobody apologized for him.... Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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