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Villareal let them off too easily, should really have taken the win in their first appearance in Champions. Considering they were bought for some 150,000 CDN dollars just 8 years ago, and the town has 45,000 workers, quite a success story.

Hector Font, the mid who replaced Riquelme, is the only member of the team actually born in Villareal.

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How come every time I read something negative against ManUre. I wanna start a ......Cristiano Ronaldo is a useless showboating arse-pick thread. Ronaldo should pay Lyon's Juninho to take lessons on how to play mid-field ;)

Oh, yeah and Rooney needs to do some growing up.

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rooney was stupid. but how anyone can say he is overrated is beyond me.

look at how he tore apart france in the world cup at 18! look at his goalscoring record. look at how many goals he directly creates. rooney is not overrated.

but he is a dumbass.

ronaldo is doing just fine - but i don't think he should have played considering his father passing away. park or giggs would have been preferred...especially in an away match such as this.

0-0 is good considering.

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quote:Originally posted by bettermirror

ronaldo is doing just fine - but i don't think he should have played considering his father passing away. park or giggs would have been preferred...especially in an away match such as this.

0-0 is good considering.

Awright now I feel like an insensitve bafoon. Didn't pick up on the news about his Dad [B)]

Still don't like him as a player ...can't wait 'till he matures and starts playing like a man and stops the cross over steps and the diving. Will admit the play acting is much less since his first year at ManUre.

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here are Rooneys' stats... make up your own mind if he is overrated... personally I think he is, considering he Plays for manchester U and England... two very good teams coached by experianced coaches...


Squad profiles

Player name: Wayne Rooney

Date of birth: 24 October, 1985

Nationality: English

Position: Striker

Height: 1.78

Overall career totals

app. as sub goals yellow Red

Total (Club) 125 (35) 36 29 2

League 100 (32) 28 25 1

FA Cup 10 (0) 3 2 0

League Cup 8 (3) 2 1 0

European/Others 7 (0) 3 1 1

International career totals

app. as sub Goals Yellow Red

England 26 (3) 10 4 0

England U19 0 (0) 0 0 0

England U17 0 (0) 0 0 0

taken from BBC Sport


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Rooney over rated? Probably depends who you talk to I guess. But he is just such a stupid kid it's sadly entertaining. In truth I think everyone's terrified that the brat is destined to self destruct and end up one of those "could have been"s. Mucking about the Prem. for years with the occasional flash of brilliance but otherwise living off his name. Washed up by 20 something.

Maybe he's just got some energy to spend before he grows into a man. Just hope it doesn't take too long and do too much harm.

Not a big Ronaldo fan. But could become one. England has done him far more good than harm. Maybe in a couple more seasons, we'll see. Hmph. Another kid...

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Rooney receiving advice for anger management

· PFA outlines counselling options for errant striker

· Ferguson asks his United players to help their No8

Daniel Taylor

Friday September 16, 2005

The Guardian

Wayne Rooney is already seeing an anger-management expert and the Professional Footballers' Association last night told Manchester United that other options are available to the combustible forward, including "lifestyle coaching" at Tony Adams' Sporting Chance clinic. Joey Barton, a serial offender at Manchester City, has already benefited from professional counselling and the PFA believes Rooney could improve with external help.

"[He has] great talent and you don't want to see it wasted for the sake of poor temperament," said Gordon Taylor, the PFA's chief executive. "There is a much broader use of counselling and psychology among footballers these days, particularly for those who find themselves in difficult situations on and off the field. Clinics such as Sporting Chance can help."

Rooney can certainly use Barton as a prime example of someone for whom specialised help has worked, although it will not be easy to convince Sir Alex Ferguson that one of his players could spend worthwhile time in a centre set up to treat players suffering from depression, alcoholism and other addictions.The indications are that Ferguson and his colleagues have decided they have sufficient experience of handling volatile players to deal with Rooney in-house.

That process began with United's manager angrily remonstrating with the teenager in the dressing-room after Wednesday's game at Villarreal and it continued yesterday when the club fined him a fortnight's wages for the red card he was shown after he had sarcastically applauded the referee Kim Milton Nielsen for booking him.

Ferguson's tactic is to adopt an aggressive stance followed by a period of arm-round-the-shoulder consolation and the likelihood is that he will not be swayed by the PFA, despite Taylor's observations that Rooney could improve as a footballer and as a man. "The essense of psychology or counselling is that it has to be wanted by the individual or pressed upon them, as with Joey Barton," said Taylor. "Joey is seeing the benefits of regular meetings with a counsellor and we have also done some successful work with Richard Dunne, who then went on to become Manchester City's player of the year."

Part of the issue is that Ferguson remains very much an old-school manager in an age when there is more sympathy for the pressures on young sportsmen and help is readily available. He has the technology to study the exact distance Rooney runs in every match, the speed at which he strikes the ball and the percentage of successful passes he completes. There is no computer, however, that can get inside Rooney's brain and after 30 years in management Ferguson believes he is as well equipped as anyone to "retain [Rooney's] good habits while eradicating the bad ones". United employed a sports psychologist during Steve McClaren's time as assistant manager but the role was vacated when he left.

It is enough for Ferguson that the 19-year-old occasionally has one-on-one sessions with Jeannie Horsfield, an anger-management counsellor. Few players have been on these courses and fewer still have admitted it publicly. Andy Morrison, the former Manchester City centre-half, is one. Football Federation Australia, meanwhile, insisted on Frank Farina undergoing counselling after he clashed with a television reporter, an incident that required police intervention, during his term in charge of the national team.

"It's a case of prevention is better than cure," says Morrison. "I was at Huddersfield, regularly in trouble, when someone advised me to do something about my temper. You can't take a notepad on the pitch and write down: 'Careful, you're starting to get wound up!' But you can work at handling it, and that's a start."

Rooney's own problems have become a recurring theme, both for club and country, and Sven-Goran Eriksson must have winced from his position in the VIP enclosure at El Madrigal. The England coach has once had to substitute Rooney before half-time to save him from being sent off, and he gave serious thought to doing it again midway through last week's defeat at Windsor Park.

At club level Rooney is also responsible, unofficially, for the Football Association implementing a new law that allows referees to send off players who swear at them. In February even the worst lip-reader would have been taken aback by his sustained verbal attack on Graham Poll during United's game at Arsenal. Even when he scored his goal-of-the-season volley against Newcastle United in April, he had spent the previous few moments screaming abuse at Neale Barry.

"His temperament is always there to be questioned because he plays on the edge," Rio Ferdinand said yesterday. "He wouldn't be the same player if you took it away. I know that's a cliché, but it's true."

Other team-mates have trotted out similar lines, but research in psychology has shown that a footballer's rage, when it goes too far, almost always leads to a drastic decline in concentration and performance. Roy Keane, for one, will back that up, and Ferguson wants the United captain and his other experienced players to help Rooney manage his temper. United face a potentially explosive match at Liverpool on Sunday and the one certainty is that Rooney needs to learn fast.

Catalogue of shame

December 26, 2002

Birmingham 1 Everton 1

Rooney's first red card follows a foul on Steve Vickers in a Premiership match at St Andrews. A week later, as the new year opens, a fifth booking of the season condemns him to a four-match ban. Is then booked in his next match, an FA Cup defeat at Shrewsbury. Finishes the 2002-03 season with as many goals as bookings - eight. There is more seasonal angst at Old Trafford on Boxing Day 2003, when Rooney, still with Everton, lunges at Cristiano Ronaldo and is shown a yellow card. A couple of minutes later his rant at officialdom is only calmed down by a then England team-mate Nicky Butt, playing for Manchester United at the time.

November 17 2004

Spain 1 England 0

Rooney is substituted a minute before half-time in a friendly international in Madrid, having been booked for pushing the home goalkeeper Iker Casillas and appearing to be on the verge of committing a further offence that would have led to a red card. Boxing Day 2004 finds Rooney, by now with Manchester United, again failing to display any festive spirit as he is charged with violent conduct after shoving Bolton's Tal Ben Haim in the face. He is banned for three matches. In February 2005 his reputation takes another nosedive as he reportedly swears over 100 times at the referee Graham Poll during United's 4-2 victory over Arsenal.

September 7 2005

N Ireland 1 England 0

Booked for a foul on Keith Gillespie and kicks the ball at David Healy, missing him, in a World Cup qualifier in Belfast. Picks up a yellow card for his conduct and sarcastically applauds the referee. The England captain David Beckham intervenes and pulls Rooney away, and harsh words are exchanged. After a couple more borderline challenges which see the 19-year-old lucky to escape a second yellow, the row continues with Beckham in the dressing room at half-time. The assistant manager Steve McClaren is reportedly also given a mouthful when he tries to calm things down. Sven-Goran Eriksson eventually restores order.

September 15 2005

Villarreal 0 Man Utd 0

Dismissed during Manchester United's goalless Champions League draw in Spain for sarcastically applauding the hard-line Danish referee Kim Milton Nielsen, who had cautioned him after a sequence of three quick fouls, the last on the Spanish side's theatrical defender Quique Alvarez. This latest sending-off takes the 19-year-old England forward's club-career record of misdemeanours to two red cards and 32 bookings in a 125-match career. He has scored 37 goals in all competitions for two clubs in that time.

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I've never understood why refs allow players to curse them out on the field. I don't think football needs to go so far as to ban all swearing (didn't rugby do that?), but why give the players the power to threaten the officials? Is it because there's no clearly defined rules for "what is an insult?" and "what is a threat that warrants a red card?" I think this has got to stop because it just leads to more of the same sort of ego tripping bull**** the top flight leagues are already so full of.

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Guest Jeffery S.
quote:Originally posted by Soju

I've never understood why refs allow players to curse them out on the field. I don't think football needs to go so far as to ban all swearing (didn't rugby do that?), but why give the players the power to threaten the officials? Is it because there's no clearly defined rules for "what is an insult?" and "what is a threat that warrants a red card?" I think this has got to stop because it just leads to more of the same sort of ego tripping bull**** the top flight leagues are already so full of.

I see English refs are quite tolerant about language, in Spain that is not the case. You can get a red for an insult. I think the rules also state that a ref can card a player for disrespect towards another player, insulting another, not just physically fouling, is cause for a card. Is this correct?

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Rooney and Beckham nearly come to blows....

England rent by infighting

Beckham at centre of clubhouse rift


As the full extent of last week's near brawl in England's dressing room is revealed, it has become clear there's a war brewing for the heart of the squad. On one side stand the star captain and his adoring coach, on the other the rest of the team.

The infighting threatens to derail a strong favourite to win next summer's World Cup in Germany.

Fans who watched the 1-0 loss against Northern Ireland saw star striker Wayne Rooney's on-field explosion following a yellow card given for a foolish 41st-minute challenge. When captain David Beckham moved to calm the mercurial 19-year-old, Rooney reportedly told him to "f--- off" for his trouble. Defender Rio Ferdinand was similarly abused minutes later by his Manchester United clubmate.

The fireworks continued as the players entered the tunnel at halftime. Rooney muttered "flash b-----d" in the direction of the rock star captain. Beckham squared up to the Scouser pit bull in the dressing room and demanded an apology. But Rooney would not back down. The pair had to be forcibly separated by teammates.

The locker room disharmony spilled onto the field for the second half. England meekly surrendered a goal and the game to the 116th-ranked squad in the world. After the match, Rooney was called on the carpet by England assistant manager Steve McLaren. Again, he refused to be cowed.

Hours later, England coach Sven-Goran Eriksson hung the loss on his teen star.

"That was a stupid challenge, of course it was, and (Rooney) could even have been sent off for it," Eriksson said. "Unfortunately for him and for the rest of the team, after this accident we lost our spirit."

Rooney's anger was stoked by Eriksson's tactical experiments. After a humiliating 4-1 friendly loss to Denmark, the Swede switched his formation to an unorthodox 4-5-1.

Rooney was the lone striker two weeks ago in a lacklustre 1-0 win against Wales, but against Northern Ireland Michael Owen was pushed forward. Rooney was moved to left wing, where he struggled. His unhappiness showed. He isn't the only one unsettled by the changes.

"It's hard enough mastering one new position, let alone three in the same match," midfield star Steven Gerrard grumbled after the Wales match.

The clubhouse dissatisfaction is reportedly compounded by the fact that some players believe Beckham is pulling Eriksson's strings.

The 4-5-1 allows Beckham to perform as a holding midfielder, a position from which he can quarterback England's offence. He has long coveted the role for club and country. But Beckham's soft tackling, slowing legs and poor decision-making render him unsuited for the job.

Sir Alex Ferguson saw that. He declined to play Beckham in the centre of the park for Manchester United. That refusal was largely to blame for their famous falling out two years ago.

If the 4-5-1 must be used, Gerrard or Frank Lampard are more obvious candidates to organize the attack. But Eriksson's attachment to Beckham is well known. Beckham's drawing power makes him a clear favourite of Eriksson's bosses at the Football Association.

Owing to his celebrity, Beckham often chooses to make his own security arrangements and travel alone. "(Beckham) likes to be treated differently. And he is," the Guardian quoted an unnamed England player as saying.

For the past week, Eriksson has been forced to defend his tactics, his $8.6 million (Canadian) salary and his influence over his players. He's weathered the storm thus far, but his authority seems to slip daily.

In all likelihood, England will overcome Austria and Poland to qualify for next year's World Cup. But come next summer, the squad will be in greater need of Rooney's offence than they will of David Beckham's chalkboard experiments.

As long as Eriksson allows his most famous inmate to run the asylum, England's chances of World Cup victory are slim indeed.

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