RS Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Robert The game against TFC was in no way similar. There was no pressure on Montreal. They played like there was no pressure for half an hour, and then all of a sudden the whole output of the team changed. That is where I question the validity of this result. If the tapes of all of the matches in this championship were to be reviewed by an independent and knowlegeable committee, there is no question in my mind that they would agree that the last hour of the final match was FIXED! *YAWN* No pressure? TFC had at least four or five very good scoring chances that were either saved or went just wide of the post/crossbar. Yes, the pressure mounted more towards the end when Toronto realized they had a shot of actually winning by the requisite margin, but none of that had to do with the game being fixed. If the game was fixed so that TFC would advance, why did Frei have to make two very good saves within the last ten minutes of the game to preserve the result? Why did /montreal bother going forward at all after TFC threw everyone except Garcia and Serioux into the attack? If, as you say, an independent committee reviewed the tape, they'd find that the players Montreal had out there were out of their depth and that Toronto were a team hellbent on winning by at least four. Dos Santos gambled, and lost. The Impact's pride took a huge hit, and they learned that they are not nearly as deep a side as their fans have been boasting on this board for months previous. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Impact Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Hey Robert why not ban the whitecaps, for not even being able to exert some revenge playing The Impact 48 hours, and losing 2-1. Where's the pride in that? Dos Santos did exactly what any qualified coach would do in resting his healthy players, for the game that mattered. TFC Scored 6 goals on a defence composed of Djekanovic, Gatti (midfielder) Sakuda(midfielder) Mayard(called up) and DeRoux (midfielder). Braz, Pizzolitto, ZanZan were all not available, And Pesoli just got back from injury. Add Matt Jordan in nets, and you would have a different result. That being said, TFC deserved the championship, they did what they had to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portuguese Sensation Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 I'm sorry but this is a terrible idea. There was absolutely no evidence that Montréal conspired with Toronto FC to "throw" the game. They made their decisions based on the fact that they valued a win in the domestic league more than the CCL. If this were to go ahead, then would we change league rules as well? Take the EPL for instance... if Man Utd has already wrapped up the title and are taking on a team on the brink of relegation - chances are they'll play their reserve squad. Let's say the other team wins and avoids relegation in the process. Does the team that DOES get relegated demand that Man Utd get banned for a year for fielding a subpar team? Of course not... Watching that Impact / TFC game, Montréal certainly had more than enough chances where they could have added a second goal. They just didn't finish. PS - The Saskatoon scenario sounds wicked awesome, though the field at Griffiths Stadium isn't regulation size from what I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piltdownman Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 ^Teams were screaming about Manchester United playing their reserves against Hull. There was talk about sanctions, but then Manchester United still beat Hull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 quote:Originally posted by piltdownman ^Teams were screaming about Manchester United playing their reserves against Hull. There was talk about sanctions, but then Manchester United still beat Hull. There were talk about the relegation clubs possibly going to Court with that "full strenght" notion. The FA never talked about possible sanctions for Man U. They knew very well that it would be impossible to have a favourable ruling for that paragraph. The possible interpretation for that notion (full strenght) is so large, it's ridiculous. There's no way the CSA should sanction Montreal in this instance when the players MDS selected were all in the 26 man Montreal Impact roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted July 3, 2009 Author Share Posted July 3, 2009 The "no pressure" referred to the fact that Montreal had nothing to lose in this match, since they had already bbeen eliminated at this point. It didn't refer to the enormous and well-known pressure that the oh-so powerful attack of the TFC is famous for. quote:Originally posted by Rudi *YAWN* No pressure? TFC had at least four or five very good scoring chances that were either saved or went just wide of the post/crossbar. Yes, the pressure mounted more towards the end when Toronto realized they had a shot of actually winning by the requisite margin, but none of that had to do with the game being fixed. If the game was fixed so that TFC would advance, why did Frei have to make two very good saves within the last ten minutes of the game to preserve the result? Why did /montreal bother going forward at all after TFC threw everyone except Garcia and Serioux into the attack? If, as you say, an independent committee reviewed the tape, they'd find that the players Montreal had out there were out of their depth and that Toronto were a team hellbent on winning by at least four. Dos Santos gambled, and lost. The Impact's pride took a huge hit, and they learned that they are not nearly as deep a side as their fans have been boasting on this board for months previous. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Robert The "no pressure" referred to the fact that Montreal had nothing to lose in this match, since they had already bbeen eliminated at this point. It didn't refer to the enormous and well-known pressure that the oh-so powerful attack of the TFC is famous for. Right. Mock TFC when you're the one worthy of the mockery in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greek_irishman Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 I was at this game and I froze my balls off in the freezing rain, the Impact played horribly but I don't believe there were any conspiracy's involved in this match, TFC beat them fair and square and this ban is very stupid!!!! Go Impact!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Robert The "no pressure" referred to the fact that Montreal had nothing to lose in this match, since they had already bbeen eliminated at this point. It didn't refer to the enormous and well-known pressure that the oh-so powerful attack of the TFC is famous for. Nothing to lose? Playing at home in front of YOUR fans, in front of YOUR team owner, on NATIONAL TV and with a chance to spoil the day for your most loathed rival? I guess RESPECT doesn't count for much some places. [}] The ban is a bad idea but the Voyageur's Cup games are as important as any league game because it is OUR LEAGUE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Impact Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 quote:Originally posted by tmcmurph Nothing to lose? Playing at home in front of YOUR fans, in front of YOUR team owner, on NATIONAL TV and with a chance to spoil the day for your most loathed rival? I guess RESPECT doesn't count for much some places. [}]The ban is a bad idea but the Voyageur's Cup games are as important as any league game because it is OUR LEAGUE! How was the Respect the Whitecaps showed their Fans, when they had the chance to exert revenge facing the Impact less then 48 hours after the TFC game? Not much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Mr.Impact How was the Respect the Whitecaps showed their Fans, when they had the chance to exert revenge facing the Impact less then 48 hours after the TFC game? Not much better. At least the Caps played hard the whole game and didn't fold like a cheap lawn chair in the second half! The Caps owner didn't have to apologize to the fans or go into the dressing room and chew out the players. And kudos to Mr Saputo for doing that by the way! It shows he has some integrity and expects better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldtimer Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 Teams fielding "B" teams happens around the world with teams in Montreal's situation. Even big clubs like Manchester United have done it. Really the only way to prevent situations like this are to: (1) Avoid fixture congestion (why was there a USL-1 match 2 days after) (2) Change the format of the competition (so only meaningful matches are played). This will only work when there is more than 3 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted July 7, 2009 Author Share Posted July 7, 2009 What was the attendance figure for this Proud team that evening? On T.V. at least, the majority of the multitudes that did show appeared to be wearing TFC colours. How does the Impact owner rate this coach over the one he just replaced? After the last two times I've seen the Impact on National T.V. they don't have much business being there. quote:Originally posted by tmcmurph Nothing to lose? Playing at home in front of YOUR fans, in front of YOUR team owner, on NATIONAL TV and with a chance to spoil the day for your most loathed rival? I guess RESPECT doesn't count for much some places. [}] The ban is a bad idea but the Voyageur's Cup games are as important as any league game because it is OUR LEAGUE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trident Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Robert What was the attendance figure for this Proud team that evening? On T.V. at least, the majority of the multitudes that did show appeared to be wearing TFC colours. How does the Impact owner rate this coach over the one he just replaced? After the last two times I've seen the Impact on National T.V. they don't have much business being there. We know you're hurt, Bobby, but there weren't more TFC fans than impact fans there. maybe by the end, because most didn't want to see a trophy ceremony. But I didn't hear you complaining when Montreal was on international tv during the LdC run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuff Zed Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Can't ban Montreal cuz then the TFC couldn't get into the CL. The Caps have proven year after year that they can easily handle the likes of the TFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 quote:Originally posted by Nuff Zed Can't ban Montreal cuz then the TFC couldn't get into the CL. The Caps have proven year after year that they can easily handle the likes of the TFC. You have to love the baiting attempts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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