hrv_toronto Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 Mr. Kaplan My question is how is Oakville in second place with 33 points and Croatia in third with 44 points. That does not make any sence. PLAYOFF RACE Team GP PTS 1. Serbia 19 46 2. Oakville 21 33 3. Croatia 20 44 4. Laval 22 31 5. Italia 20 29 6. Brampton 19 28 7. Windsor 19 27 8. St. Catharines 21 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 The league is anti-Croatian. It's true. It's been done on purpose to hold back the Croatian people. Keep fighting the good fight Hrvat!!! Just out of curiosity, would you have been asking if the Serbs were in 3rd with more points than Oakville? [)] Seriously, it's like the NHL and NBA. The division winners are seeded 1-2-3 (1-2 in NBA) for the playoffs, no matter the points. The CSL should aim to be different, even from North American soccer, and go to a single table and no playoffs. I think it would give it a little more "street cred" among those who fancy themselves as enlightened soccer fans. Sure, your typical sports fan would be confused, but I'm pretty sure the nine people at the game the other night were all soccer fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSL Commissioner Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 HRV Toronto, Similar to Major League Baseball, or the NHL for instance, division winners are ceded #1 and #2 (even if they don't finish 1/2 in overall points). This puts the maximum emphasis on divisional rivalries. Furthermore since the semi-finals is held at a neutral site (North York), there is a minimal advantage from coming 3rd vs 2nd. Elias, 1. Using a single table is non condusive to playoff races. North American fans in every league get excited about the playoff build up. In fact in MLB, they have inreased playoff teams to 8 and will likely join other leagues - soon at 16. 2. As to the fans, the league average attendance (300-400) is up more than double from last year. Over the course of the season, over 50,000 people will have attended CSL games (yes some games have less than 100 and this a major problem - but we are moving in the right direction). Thanks Cary Kaplan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 Head in the sand. That "more than double" increase has probably come from the Serbian (and Croatian) teams. The median would be much more significant in this case. How about that game a few weeks ago with, what? 10 fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSL Commissioner Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 Daniel, North York, Brampton, London, Portuguese, Italia, Croatia, St. Catharines and Laval (8 of 10) returning clubs have inreased their attendance this year. The 'Median' attendance has more than doubled this year. Cary Kaplan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 What is the median paid attendance this year and what was it last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalkanBoy Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Richard What is the median paid attendance this year and what was it last year? Mr. Commissioner I would be intrested to see a break down of attendance for each game is that possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 We're talking about such small numbers here that things like "doubling" don't count for much. 40 to 80? I know that there's some PR going on (and I guess it's the league's role to put a positive spin on things), but I don't enjoy getting marketing-speak under the guise of an honest discussion. The CSL is shambolic (It should change that name, too, to something more representative) and I'm curious as to its purpose now that the calibre of the actual teams has been shown (against amateur competition). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 The ethnicity issue aside, an issue by the way that I could not care less about, I think we need to give this league and its owners some credit. After all, the league is at least attempting to create a cross country entity resembling major junior hockey and running an open cup competition (although only Ontario teams, save Laval) enter. These are two things that most of us on this board have been saying we need and are hoping for. Now I have only been to one game this year so I am probably not doing my part to support the league either, but they have the right idea regardless of the way, and the speed at which, they are going about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Ivan After all, the league is at least attempting to create a cross country entity resembling major junior hockey.... Debatable IMO. Quite possible that they need to pay lip service to that as a stated goal to be sanctioned as a pro league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 Frankly with the direction the CSL is moving I can't see that model working anywhere else in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Take out the Dynamites and all you have is a semi-pro Ontario-only league with sub-100 crowds. Sounds like the LSEQ/AMSL/BCSA to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Some PCSL and Vancouver Metro Soccer League Premier Division games draw bigger crowds than it appears many CSL games do. Probably better soccer too, or at least every bit as good :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T5 Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Richard Some PCSL and Vancouver Metro Soccer League Premier Division games draw bigger crowds than it appears many CSL games do. Probably better soccer too, or at least every bit as good :-) Bigger crowds, better soccer, and no ethnics. Sounds too good to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 quote:Originally posted by T5 Bigger crowds, better soccer, and no ethnics. Sounds too good to be true. ICSF Inter, Vancouver Croatia, Indo-Akal FC, Sikh Temple and New Westminster Khalsa? http://www.icsf.ca/ http://www.croatiasc.bc.ca/ http://www.akalfc.com/ http://sikhtemplefc.com/ and there is even a Serbian White Eagles in the VMSL lower divisions:- http://pipkedj.tripod.com/orlovi/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 BBTB, we don't let simple things like facts get in the way around here. This here is like Fox News Canada. Speaking of Fake News, I consider myself a conservative for the most part, but I don't understand how anybody can watch Fox News without putting a fork through their eyeballs... just to stop the pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 "Conservative" in Canada and the US doesn't mean the same thing. I mean, the biggest party in the past century in Canada has been the "Liberal" party, a *word* which is essentially used as an insult in the States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Daniel Take out the Dynamites and all you have is a semi-pro Ontario-only league with sub-100 crowds. Sounds like the LSEQ/AMSL/BCSA to me... Of course, non of the latter three call themselves a national league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard ICSF Inter, Vancouver Croatia, Indo-Akal FC, Sikh Temple and New Westminster Khalsa? http://www.icsf.ca/ http://www.croatiasc.bc.ca/ http://www.akalfc.com/ http://sikhtemplefc.com/ and there is even a Serbian White Eagles in the VMSL lower divisions:- http://pipkedj.tripod.com/orlovi/ Of course, you don't bother the check the rosters to prove your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 I hope noone has a problem with having these guys involved with one of Canada's top soccer league:- http://www.akalfc.com/player%20profiles.htm if you do it really is time you finally accepted and embraced what this concept is all about:- http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/multi/what-multi_e.cfm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 quote:Originally posted by DoyleG Of course, you don't bother the check the rosters to prove your point. While I'm not enamoured with the playing up of the ethnicity in sports, the CSL ethnic teams are not exclusionary as far as players are concerned. If that's the point you're trying to make (which it seems you are). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Rudi While I'm not enamoured with the playing up of the ethnicity in sports, the CSL ethnic teams are not exclusionary as far as players are concerned. If that's the point you're trying to make (which it seems you are). The CPSL ethnic teams are far more exclusionary than the examples that BBTB brings up in other parts of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 quote:Originally posted by DoyleG The CPSL ethnic teams are far more exclusionary than the examples that BBTB brings up in other parts of the country. Perhaps you're right. I don't pay much attention to the league. I guess I'll see for myself first hand when I go to the SWE/Croatia match, but from reading Robin's game recaps in passing, the names on ethnic clubs are far more diverse than I expected them to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 I suspect it would be unlawful in Canada for any such club to be exclusionary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 They aren't. But it's just that when the coach speaks Serbo-Croatian or Chinese or whatever, and all the players are from that one place, there isn't a great incentive for players from elsewhere to join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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