Cowards (Inter Milan cancel friendlies in England)

[andyb]

Inter milan were due to go to england to play a series of pre season friendlys and they have backed out.That is so gutless,giving into terroism.

[youllneverwalkalone]

Change your name to "Provincial Milan"

[Bertuzzi44]

quote:Originally posted by andyb

Inter milan were due to go to england to play a series of pre season friendlys and they have backed out.That is so gutless,giving into terroism.

vote conservative much?

[andyb]

Nope never,so what your saying is that only socialists give in to terrorists?

Ken livingstone is not a conservative and nobody has spoken out against them more or in a better way and told them they will never win no matter what they do.

Terrorism 1 Football 0 after this shocking decision.

[Bertuzzi44]

quote:Originally posted by andyb

Nope never,so what your saying is that only socialists give in to terrorists?

Ken livingstone is not a conservative and nobody has spoken out against them more or in a better way and told them they will never win no matter what they do.

Terrorism 1 Football 0 after this shocking decision.

No actually I'm saying you sound very ignorant.

This idea that the world is black and white, or, as Mr. Bush puts it, 'good versus evil' is absolutely ridiculous.

Terrorists are freaks no doubt about it, but to make comments like 'they hate freedom' and to say things like 'they will never win' conveniently bypasses the necessary analysis as to the root of the violence.

And, by calling Inter Milan ‘cowards’, are you only upholding the inept ‘them versus us’ mentality.

..anyways...

[andyb]

The latest is that they have decided to go to england and for that i applaud them for thinking it through.

I still think it would of sent out the wrong message if they had not gone and i am willing to say that i was a little hasty.

[Loud Mouth Soup]

Sorry, Bertuzzi, but they are cowards.

And no-don't go putting words in to my mouth that I'm someone who believes in some us-vs-them arguement as you seem to think.

Australia seemed pretty confident in letting their cricket matches continue. Not a peep from them.

Inter blinked when the bad men said 'boo'.

[Elias]

A little dose of reality, cancelling a silly meaningless GAME doesn't mean anything.

Accepting national ID cards (like the Brits are about to) is gutless, giving in to terrorists.

I guess the cards would have prevented the bombs from going off or something.

[Massive Attack]

Is shooting an innocent, defenceless, Brazilian 5 times in the head from close range also giving in to terrorism?

[Ashton Gate]

Inter tour back on after rethink

Sports minister Richard Caborn has confirmed that Inter Milan will tour England as originally scheduled.

Inter were criticised for scrapping the four-game tour over security fears, but Caborn has since held talks with Italian sports minister Mario Pescante.

"It is very important that life goes on and sport is at the forefront of that," Caborn said.

"In London we had Grand Prix athletics and cricket this weekend. It's business as usual. We make no concessions."

The Italian club said there had been a misunderstanding and insisted they had taken their initial stance so as not to "further stretch the already severely occupied security services".

The Italian ambassador in London, Signor Giancarlo Aragona, told BBC Sport that the tour would go ahead, with the team due to fly into London on Sunday.

He added Inter had been involved in discussions with security services over the safety of the trip.

"There was some confusion, they wanted to make sure the conditions on both sides were correct. They wanted to check the feasibility," he said.

Inter are scheduled to play Leicester at the Walkers Stadium on Monday and Foxes chief executive Tim Davies said he welcomed the Italian club's decision.

"We have received reassurances from Inter that the game will now definitely take place," he said.

Inter are then scheduled to play Crystal Palace on Wednesday, Norwich on Friday before rounding off their brief tour at Portsmouth on Sunday.

Leicester were investigating the possibility of compensation given Inter's cancellation would have cost them over £250,000.

Portsmouth have already sold 12,500 tickets for their game and Crystal Palace had organised the fixture to celebrate their centenary.

All four clubs expressed their anger at Inter's decision, with Norwich's chief executive Neil Doncaster accusing them of "giving in to terrorists".

Palace chairman Simon Jordan and Portsmouth counterpart Milan Mandaric previously registered their unhappiness with Inter.

"You have to take into consideration people's safety but they are not going to be in the West End (of London)," said Jordan.

Mandaric added: "No directive has come from the Home Office advising it is unsafe to travel and Portsmouth is a provincial city with lovely people."

[andyb]

I started this but it seems to be now a thread to have a dig at brits....

firstly Candians have photo ID its called a driving license go anywhere and they will ask you for it to prove who you are so thats the same thing is it not?

Secondly to have a sly dig at the unfortunate shooting of the brazillian guy is a cheap shot.........he when asked to stop,hurdled the pay barrier and ran into a underground train and with the present climate was a tad foolish.

I would not have wanted the responsibilty of having to make the decision if he was carrying explosives or not and willing to detonate them,would you?.

[Elias]

It wasn't a dig at Britain. It was a lets have a little perspective. So I guess you could take it as a shot at you.

There's a huge difference between driver's license and passports and the national ID cards. The difference is in the information they store, what they keep track of, and potential abuses.

As for the Brazilian, the story so far makes no sense at all. Why were they following him (he left an apartment building under surveillance is not an answer)? Why did he run? Why didn't they stop and search him before he reached the subway if they were suspicious? I wonder if the story would have been the same had it turned out he was a muslim?

The cops situation is obviously a situation nobody wants to be in, but I do NOT want cops shooting first, asking questions later. This ain't some wild-west B movie. I know option number 2 is a lot scarier, but so is reality.

[Ashton Gate]

Citizenship and Immigration recently undertook a thorough research initiative aimed at better understanding attitudes towards the issue of creating a national identity card for Canadians and the use of biometrics by governments. The research consisted of two parallel studies, one of the general population and the other of small, medium and large business owners across the country.

The results show that the vast majority of Canadians view the fraudulent use of identification documents as a problem in Canada. This perception appears to be the key driver of support for a new ID card and for the use of biometrics by the federal government. Opposition is higher for a mandatory card than for a voluntary card but overall results are consistent, with those in favour outnumbering opponents by a margin of 2:1.

While those who support the introduction of a card far outnumber opponents, those opposed seem more entrenched in their views. Survey data demonstrates that exposure to pro/con arguments on biometrics had a significant impact on support for the idea of a national ID card.

Although the majority of Canadian businesses support the idea of ID cards, this support is largely tepid and highly malleable. As in the general population survey, they admit very limited awareness of biometric technology. Yet, when supplied a definition, are largely supportive of its use to control identity fraud, illegal migration and abuse of government services. In fact, 4 in 5 believe it is likely all Canadians will have at least one biometric ID somewhere to verify their identity by the end of the decade.

Concerns centre on the potential reduction in personal privacy, the high cost of implementation, the ability of criminals to counter the technology and, likely related to privacy concerns, the potential for the government to misuse personal information.

Acceptance is highest with respect to using biometrics in passports, for screening job applicants who have access to sensitive information or who work with children, to facilitate airport check-ins and to prevent the abuse of government programs.

Source: Excerpts taken from Flash Report

Biometrics/National ID Card, Citizenship and Immigration Canada.

[Ashton Gate]

After perhaps fortuitously not subbing into an abysmal Norwich pre-season effort vs Southend Utd, maybe Jim Brennan will get a game vs Inter next week:

Latest news from Norwich's website

INTER TOUR SET TO GO AHEAD

NORWICH City understands that Inter Milan are set to go ahead with their tour of England, including this Friday evening's friendly match at Carrow Road.  Following pressure from the English and Italian governments it seems that Inter Milan have decided to reverse their decision not to visit the UK due to fears over security.

Over 14,000 tickets have already been sold for this Friday's game at Carrow Road and tickets will remain on general sale throughout the week.  Tickets are available by calling the ticket office on 0870 444 1902 or by calling in person to Carrow Road or the Canary Store, Castle Mall.

In addition to playing the Canaries, Inter will also honour their commitments to Leicester City, Crystal Palace and Portsmouth Football Clubs.

City Chief Executive Neil Doncaster commented: "We are delighted that government pressure appears to have brought this chaotic episode to a satisfactory conclusion.  It is important that the game goes ahead, not just because of the importance of a strong pre-season campaign, but also because of the inconvenience that would otherwise have been caused to our supporters.  It is also important because of the message it sends out to the wider world.  We now look forward to what should be a hugely enjoyable match this Friday and to welcoming Inter Milan back to Carrow Road for the first time since 1993."

[amacpher]

quote:Originally posted by andyb

Secondly to have a sly dig at the unfortunate shooting of the brazillian guy is a cheap shot.........he when asked to stop,hurdled the pay barrier and ran into a underground train and with the present climate was a tad foolish.

A tad foolish, perhaps. But its a situation that happens probably around every 30 minutes of every day in every major city in the world.

I'm not saying that that's ALL the Brasilian did to set the cops off, I'm saying that BETTER NOT have been all the Brasilian did to cause that kind of reaction. And I'm even one who believe that police should be more suspicious of people who look muslim. But that suspicion shouldn't lead to police acts that go any further than stopping a guy and seeing what he's carrying.

[amacpher]

quote:Originally posted by andyb

Secondly to have a sly dig at the unfortunate shooting of the brazillian guy is a cheap shot.........he when asked to stop,hurdled the pay barrier and ran into a underground train and with the present climate was a tad foolish.

A tad foolish, perhaps. But its a situation that happens probably around every 30 minutes of every day in every major city in the world.

I'm not saying that that's ALL the Brasilian did to set the cops off, I'm saying that BETTER NOT have been all the Brasilian did to cause that kind of reaction. And I'm even one who believe that police should be more suspicious of people who look muslim. But that suspicion shouldn't lead to police acts that go any further than stopping a guy and seeing what he's carrying.

[Massive Attack]

Actually, the act against the Brazilian on the tube/subway, coupled with the general acceptance of it in the public frightens me much more than any recent terrorist act.

[Massive Attack]

Actually, the act against the Brazilian on the tube/subway, coupled with the general acceptance of it in the public frightens me much more than any recent terrorist act.

[youllneverwalkalone]

It's a tragedy the guy's dead but I'd like to give the English cops the benefit of the doubt. They've been fighting terrorism for generations and despite Daniel Day Lewis movies and Pogue songs to the contrary, I believe they generally know what they're doing.

This may be harsh, but anyone with half a brain who's been to London knows you need to be mindful of your rocksack in and around the tube. And this was the case long before recent attacks.

[youllneverwalkalone]

It's a tragedy the guy's dead but I'd like to give the English cops the benefit of the doubt. They've been fighting terrorism for generations and despite Daniel Day Lewis movies and Pogue songs to the contrary, I believe they generally know what they're doing.

This may be harsh, but anyone with half a brain who's been to London knows you need to be mindful of your rocksack in and around the tube. And this was the case long before recent attacks.

[DJT]

quote:Originally posted by Massive Attack

Actually, the act against the Brazilian on the tube/subway, coupled with the general acceptance of it in the public frightens me much more than any recent terrorist act.

I feel the same way. Talk about the terrorists winning! This is perfect from their point of view. Never mind Inter and other such trivialities.

As for the question of why the man ran, I'd like to know how the police identified themselves to him. As I understand it, they were wearing plain clothes. In that case, if they could mistake him for a terrorist then I find it completely feasible that he could mistake them for something else.

[Ashton Gate]

Latest BBC Reports:

Police shot Brazilian eight times

Mr Menezes had been in London for more than three years

The man mistaken for a suicide bomber by police was shot eight times, an inquest into his death has heard.

Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder, at Stockwell Tube station, south London, on Friday.

Det Insp Elizabeth Baker revealed the details at a hearing in London.

Security sources said Mr Menezes had an out-of-date visa, but his family denied this. Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said he believed he was legally in the UK.

Mr Menezes' cousin, Alex Pereira, who is based in London, said the police would "kill thousands of people" if they were not held accountable for what had happened at Stockwell.

He said: "They just kill the first person they see, that's what they did. They killed my cousin, they could kill anyone."

Brazilian media reports say British human rights lawyer Gareth Peirce is acting as the family's legal adviser, amid reports that they are considering suing Scotland Yard.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) will investigate the shooting.

Nick Hardwick, head of the IPCC, said the commission needs to find out the truth of what happened "to ensure it can never happen again".

He said that "if people haven't acted in accordance with the law and their training" they would be held accountable.

Mr Straw met Brazilian Foreign Minister Celso Amorim in London, where they discussed the return of Mr Menezes' body to Brazil.

Both Mr Straw and Mr Amorim said they believed he was living in the UK legally - though there are reports that his precise immigration status is still being checked..

"I haven't got any precise information on his immigration status, my understanding is he was here lawfully," Mr Straw said.

The Home Office could not confirm his immigration status but said they were looking into it "as a matter of urgency".

Meanwhile, detectives are still hunting for the men who attempted to blow up three London Tube trains and a bus last Thursday.

A total of five people have been arrested in connection with the attempted bombings and the police have named two suspects: Muktar Said-Ibrahim, 27, also known as Muktar Mohammed-Said, and Yasin Hassan Omar, 24.

Tony Blair said he was "desperately sorry" an innocent man had lost his life.

The prime minister said it was right for Britain to express its "sorrow and deep sympathy" to Mr Menezes' family.

But he said the police must be supported in doing their job.

He added that they would have been criticised had the suspect turned out to be a terrorist and they had failed to take action.

London Mayor Ken Livingstone described Mr Menezes as a "victim of the terrorist attacks".

He said: "Consider the choice that faced police officers at Stockwell last Friday - and be glad you did not have to take it."

On Friday morning, Mr Menezes had left his flat in Tulse Hill and boarded a bus towards Stockwell Tube station.

He had been followed by police, who had his block of flats under surveillance.

When he was challenged by police in the Tube station, he fled, reportedly leaping the ticket barrier.

If you are going to have a war on terror, you have got to use brains to fight it not just brute force

Over the past year there have been an increased number of immigration checks at Tube stations - a policy widely reported in Brazilian papers in London.

Police chased him on to a Tube train where he was shot dead.

In Brazil, relatives are demanding answers as to why Mr Menezes ran and why he was shot by police.

Cousin Maria do Socorro, speaking before his immigration status had been questioned, said she thought the police had acted "like amateurs".

She told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "If you are going to have a war on terror, you have got to use brains to fight it not just brute force."

Ms Socorro said the family were considering suing over the shooting.

Friends of Mr Menezes in London said he had recently returned to Brazil for eight months to be with his father, who was being treated for cancer.

Fausto Soares, 26, said Mr Menezes had been sending money to pay for the treatment and was concerned how the family would now cope financially.

BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw said the type of visa Mr Menezes had been given would normally be valid for one-and-a-half to two years.

He said Mr Menezes had not renewed the visa, adding: "That wouldn't explain why he was shot, but it might provide an explanation as to why he ran away - if that is indeed what he did do."

[Ashton Gate]

Leicester 1-2 Inter Milan

Inter Milan recorded a comfortable victory over Championship side Leicester on Monday in the first game of their four-match tour of England.

Santiago Solari and Lampros Choutos scored for Inter, with Chris O'Grady slotting a late penalty for the hosts.

The Italians originally cancelled their trip because of security concerns in the wake of the London bombings.

But they were convinced to travel and will also play Crystal Palace, Norwich and Portsmouth before heading home.

Inter took the lead in spectacular style after 26 minutes when Solari slotted the ball past Paul Henderson afre being set free by a cute backheel from Choutos.

The Italian giants increased their lead when the unmarked Choutos chested down a cross from Giorgios Karagounis just after the half-hour mark and lashed the ball home.

Leicester's goal came in the 87th minute when Leonardo Bonucci was ruled to have barged Mark De Vries in the box, allowing substitute O'Grady to score from the spot.

Inter have made the journey to England without 11 of their top players, among them Alvaro Recoba, Edgar Davids and Juan Sebastian Veron.