sstackho Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 I just saw a clip from the new Argos' owner, talking about wanting to build a new stadium in association with the Canadian Soccer Association. He talked about how soccer was a growing sport blahblahblah and how the only outdoor stadium available to the team right now is in Edmonton. No word on where the money for the stadium would come from (would the government pitch in money to help the Argos build a stadium?) Still, things are looking up for those of us living here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydog2006 Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 The goverment will not help out for one very big reason.When calgary ottawa,vancouver,edmonton were all seeking help and it did look like there was going to be a deal via the goverment lending these teams some cash.There was an outcry from toronto saying that they would not agree to such a deal.It is a deal they should have gone for each team was only asking for 1 million each to fix there buildings.And now it is toronto who needs help like i said they should have gone for it.So the cash is going to have to come from elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franky Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 what are you talking about?????? the federal government did not want to lend a helping hand to PROFESSIONAL teams in general because then you will have every bloody sports team dubbed "pro" asking for handouts. However, if you loook carefully, the governmentS - (meaning) city, provincial and federal would kick in a building fund towards any sports recreational facility whether public or private. GM Place got it, ACC got it, the Molosn Centre got it. But, to give tax payers monies to pro clubs did not make sense, however, there were serious attempts to exempt them from certain taxes (i do not know the full extent to that) Therefore, i'm sure these guys will fork over monies to build a stadia, heck, entice some sponsor to brand its name (couldn't care) and if the governmentS are offering monies for the project whether it be $100,000 or $10,000,000 these guys will gladly accept it either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Keay Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Franky what are you talking about?????? the federal government did not want to lend a helping hand to PROFESSIONAL teams in general because then you will have every bloody sports team dubbed "pro" asking for handouts. However, if you loook carefully, the governmentS - (meaning) city, provincial and federal would kick in a building fund towards any sports recreational facility whether public or private. GM Place got it, ACC got it, the Molosn Centre got it. But, to give tax payers monies to pro clubs did not make sense, however, there were serious attempts to exempt them from certain taxes (i do not know the full extent to that) Therefore, i'm sure these guys will fork over monies to build a stadia, heck, entice some sponsor to brand its name (couldn't care) and if the governmentS are offering monies for the project whether it be $100,000 or $10,000,000 these guys will gladly accept it either way. Exactly... as a note, and was mentioned on one of these thousands of Voyageurs boards before, David Miller, current pollsters pick in the Toronto mayoral election said on Off The Record on TSN that he was fully behind funding for a stadium, just not a stadium owned by the Argos. He mentioned it would/should be for Football, Soccer, Rugby and Cricket. Basically, he said he wouldn't give cash to only the Argos for a new stadium, but said a new stadium in Toronto was needed and would be municipally pushed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I read in the paper (Toronto Star) that all 5 mayoral candidates are in favour of a new soccer/Argos stadium, except for one guy (Jakobek I think) who said he was in favour but also wanted to look into adapting the Skydome for soccer & "American Football". However, I believe this guy is last in the polls, so his comment will hopefully be irrelevant. IIRC though, most of the money in that CSA plan was to come from the Prov. & Fed. government in any event. Sounds encouraging though, because its difficult to see this stadium getting built without the Argo's on board as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torontosupport Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Aha! I was wondering where that money came from. Once again, hockey gets the attention of chequebooks, but few possible supporters. Not to insult the AHL or anything, but we already have a pro hockey team. I struggle to call the Toronto Lynx a soccer team, by comparison. We need one of those. p.s. I'll watch the Roadrunners anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrek Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Vote Miller!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 quote:Originally posted by torontosupport Aha! I was wondering where that money came from. Once again, hockey gets the attention of chequebooks, but few possible supporters. Not to insult the AHL or anything, but we already have a pro hockey team. I struggle to call the Toronto Lynx a soccer team, by comparison. We need one of those. p.s. I'll watch the Roadrunners anyway. The Leafs play hockey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Mr. Knight weighs in: http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/columnist.jsp?content=20031031_113824_5736 Basically questioning the effect of Ontario's deficit on any provincial funding for a Stadium venture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Seemingly very good news in Nov. 6th Toronto Star (here): See paragraphs about half-way down: ........................... Up in Ottawa, it was music to Kevan Pipe's ears. Pipe, the COO of the Canadian Soccer Association, said he has been in discussions with Cynamon for a year regarding a soccer/football venue for Toronto. The CSA has already unveiled its model, including a preferred site at Exhibition Place, a couple of long field goals away from the Liberty Grand where the Argos announcement went down. "We're on track to have things all lined up (financially) in the spring of 2004," Pipe said. "We'd like to see the facility ready for the 2006 season, and our drop-dead date is July 1, 2007, the opening of FIFA's under-21 finals." All this is dependent on completing a complicated partnership between three levels of government, the Argos and the CSA. The Argos remain as tenants at the SkyDome, where they averaged about 15,000 fans this season, the league having taken over ownership of the club from Schwarz in late July. ............................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Well, if that's the case it is good news indeed - surprising that Pipe was in discussion with the new Argo owners before they were the new owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franky Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 well, i know of three of the five strong mayoral candidates that would be in favour of pushing for a stadia soccer/football/rugby. Actually, John Tory would be your BEST elected mayor because his involvement with the CFL in the past as acting interim commissioner (i think?? thats what he held). the others were Miller and Nunziata, however, Barbara Hall would be all for it because of the 'soccer mom' factor and Jakobek, well, he hasn't impressed anyone, so far and i really cannot comment on any of his intentions. Also, i totally forgot about the Ricoh Coliseum which received countless public funds, really nice renovations, however, cannot really speculate whether Toronto will be gung ho over this team, the other night, fans were torn b/w supporting the Roadrunners and/or the baby buds from the rock. Anyways, again, time will tell about the interest in the Roadrunners team. Some may say that, since they can't afford the Toronto "CORPORATE" Maple Leafs, heck, lets watch the next best thing, but i find that hard to fathom. Hey G-L, i find that an intereesting point you make, about how the CSA has been having discussions with Cynamon, well before they are even considered a candidate for the Argos ownership. SideNote; my CFL MVP goes out to CFL Commissioner Tom Wright for salvaging the errr.. Ti-Cats and the goodship Argos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 During the election Dalton Maguinty stated on Off the Record that he was against putting public funds towards a stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franky Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 someone told me the same thing about Dalton???? i hope he changes his stance on this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Can the mods please explain why a CFL / Toronto municipal politics story is taking up space in the 'Canadian National Teams' section? Inquiring minds (from outside of the COTU) want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Ed Can the mods please explain why a CFL / Toronto municipal politics story is taking up space in the 'Canadian National Teams' section? Inquiring minds (from outside of the COTU) want to know. Three separate threads were started on this topic, one in each section. There were no responses in the General Discussion thread, there were a couple of responses in the Canadian Leagues thread, and there were many responses in the National Teams thread. Therefore I decided to close off the other threads and leave the one in the National Teams section (call it natural selection ). However, I agree that the National Teams section is not the best place for this topic and so, after leaving it for a day or so in that section, I have since moved it to the General Discussion section. I didn't want to do this right away because I thought someone else might create yet another thread in the National Teams section while the Argo stadium news was still "hot". As we try to categorize topics we have a hard time figuring out where some of them should go (eg. stadium topics could logically fit under all three sections). Therefore, we have to put up with the occasional multiplicity of threads on the same topic and topics posted in the wrong section. In general I try to balance moving threads around with usability (eg. if it is unclear where a topic should go and many people are responding to it in a section which may not be the best one for it, then I'd rather leave it there than move it and confuse people). It may be easier if we add a couple of sections so that each one has a more specific theme, but, as I said just the other day in some other thread, I think most people are against this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sstackho Posted November 7, 2003 Author Share Posted November 7, 2003 I am against more forums. I would actually prefer one single forum (like the old board), because we don't have so many topics as to make it unmanageable. BTW, I started the topic in "Canadian National Teams" because that certainly seems the most appropriate place to me... That forum is for "Discussion about the Men's and Women's Canadian National Soccer Teams", and I'm talking about where the Men's and Women's Canadian National Soccer Teams are going to play! Seems relevant to me! The General Discussion board is more for non-Canada news, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franky Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 hmmmm....maybe, it is in relation to the DISCUSSIONS B/W THE CSA AND THE NEW OWNERS OF THE ARGOS THAT CAUGHT THE INTEREST OF SOME. CSA BEING THE ORIGINAL PLANNER TO A SOCCER/FOOTBALL/RUGBY SPECIFIC STADIUM AND YES, UNFORTUNATELY, IT INVOLVES T.O. POLITICS, AS WELL. oooops...did i hit the cap lock????? Ed, not trying to be a stick in the side, but i see this too often that gets annoying at times, if you have nothing to contribute about the discussion at hand then don't ante up your pennies. Let the moderators decide what is best for the board. Believe me, i had the same notion in mind, that three threads were started, i don't know? was it intentional or unintentional? who cares! it gets rectified in the end in a perfect world. i hope there isn't any faux-pas here. If we see the CFL getting their act together, then so can soccer. If, both football and soccer can benefit from these outcomes then it affects all aspects of our game, whether it be the national team, professional teams or just a plain 'ole general discussion. Do you have anything positive to add to this topic OR is it going to be the old tiring, nauciously, annoying, lets bash anything east of Winnipeg and west of the Maritimes attitude over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrek Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Believe me, i had the same notion in mind, that three threads were started, i don't know? was it intentional or unintentional? who cares! it gets rectified in the end in a perfect world. i hope there isn't any faux-pas here. Amen! Let's not get picky about things here. After all, Calgary isn't an expansion team dammit! It was there last year, Edmonton is an expansion team. Lets just leave it as it is people. Who cares if 3 topics get started, as long as they end up as one. I know that some of you have a vendetta against Toronto and the new board, so let's just drop it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewsome Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 According to the CSA website, they are looking to the 3 levels of government for abour $62.5 Million and the surface is proposed as FIFA approved turf. see the link for the latest...http://www.canadasoccer.com/eng/stadium/index.asp?sub=7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Ryan Keay Exactly... as a note, and was mentioned on one of these thousands of Voyageurs boards before, David Miller, current pollsters pick in the Toronto mayoral election said on Off The Record on TSN that he was fully behind funding for a stadium, just not a stadium owned by the Argos. He mentioned it would/should be for Football, Soccer, Rugby and Cricket. Basically, he said he wouldn't give cash to only the Argos for a new stadium, but said a new stadium in Toronto was needed and would be municipally pushed. For that many sports, they would have to look at a stadium with a grass oval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 quote:Originally posted by DJT Three separate threads were started on this topic, one in each section. There were no responses in the General Discussion thread, there were a couple of responses in the Canadian Leagues thread, . Thats why we need to get rid of the initial three discussion categories ( ie.: Canadiansoccer, general discussions, pro soccer). Why is it necessary to split things up this way. This is an interesting thread BTW. But this it is the first time that I have seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Franky Do you have anything positive to add to this topic OR is it going to be the old tiring, nauciously, annoying, lets bash anything east of Winnipeg and west of the Maritimes attitude over and over again. No Franky, I do not have anything positive to add to this topic. Sorry I interrupted the cartwheels in your basements over the new stadium being built any day now. Just the type of mindless enthusiasm that Kevan Pipe needs to stay in office another 20 yrs. Cheers to you. All is good. God bless the CSA's rectilinear structure proposal in Hogtown. God bless Colin Miller. God save the Queen too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northboys Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 Hey Franky, he's right. You seem to have forgotten that Ed is Canada's eminent unbiased source for Canadian soccer analysis. Remember his allusions of Ryman League player-led grandeur for the Storm? --- Honestly, we mean neither harm nor insult Ed. You don't have to lighten up if you don't want to. But you've been pissy since the Storm's collapse and you taking out on the board is getting pretty old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 quote:Originally posted by northboys Hey Franky, he's right. You seem to have forgotten that Ed is Canada's eminent unbiased source for Canadian soccer analysis. Remember his allusions of Ryman League player-led grandeur for the Storm? --- Honestly, we mean neither harm nor insult Ed. You don't have to lighten up if you don't want to. But you've been pissy since the Storm's collapse and you taking out on the board is getting pretty old. Hardy Har. I prefer to p*** and moan on this board as a healthy counterbalance to the many post-Viagra-like bunny hoppers who frequent here. PS - I wasn't overly undone by the 'Storm collapse' but thanks for your concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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