Trillium Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Based on Four Nations results ... how far will Canadian women drop in the Fifa rankings ? We tie number sixteen and thirteen and we are in in nine, combined with a significant defeat to number two .. will we drop to eleven or further ? Is two ties and loss success in this tournament ? Does style of play have any importance, in that we were not trying to adopt a new style should we have been more successfull ? Sinclair was named player of the year by CSA on womens side, did she perform at that level or is she at risk of being a non-starter in qualifications due to her poor effort in China ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Trillium Based on Four Nations results ... how far will Canadian women drop in the Fifa rankings ? We tie number sixteen and thirteen and we are in in nine, combined with a significant defeat to number two .. will we drop to eleven or further ? Is two ties and loss success in this tournament ? Does style of play have any importance, in that we were not trying to adopt a new style should we have been more successfull ? Sinclair was named player of the year by CSA on womens side, did she perform at that level or is she at risk of being a non-starter in qualifications due to her poor effort in China ? Good points and questions. Sinclair's game contribution appears to be minimum at present, unmotivated, unfit, who knows. Nobody is talking. It is a concern when she is still the captain and I wonder what kind of leadership, if any, is she providing in the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny63 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Staying as number 9 in new March ranking. 7 extra ranking points. http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/ranking/lastranking/gender=f/fullranking.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superfan Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Sinclairs performance has been sporatic at best with only a highlight when playing lesser teams. She is a Pellerud puppet who garnered the armband by default instead of by superior performance and leadership ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan68 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 What do you people want? Sinclair was the NCAA player of the year her final year at Portland. She's a good player who unfortunately cannot carry the whole team. She needs another quality forward so she can't be taken out of the game by agressive marking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superfan Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 So are you saying that there isn't another "quality forward" on the team to play up with her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan68 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 Well, suggest someone who has had Sinclair's success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superfan Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 Charmaine Hooper X 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Robinson has looked pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Brittany Timko can score goals. And what happened with Aysha Jamani, did she vanish or was she cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan68 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 question? How many players on the Canadian roster would make the U.S. team? How many would start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superfan Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 That is a very, very good question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Que Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 For her age, no Canadian is even close to Sinclair in terms of her accomplishments. Not even close. Timko had several dominant years with Nebraska and was outstanding at U19's, but somehow hasn't made the transition to the senior team star (yet). If she could just get that first goal. Thorlakson. Well she had 2 really dominant years with ND. She was great in the 02 jr WWC and could of been perhaps the difference maker with the 04 jr WWC, but she was busy being brilliant with ND as mentioned. Bad timing there. She has done even less at the Senior level (But I'm still hopeful). Schmidt and Robinson are still to young to compare. Check back with them in 3 or 4 years. I hope by then they do exceed Sinclair's many accomplishments. It would be a good thing for Canada. If Sinclair played for the States she would probably have 200 goals by now and the US would of won the last World Cup. Instead she plays for some very ungrateful Canadian fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 quote: If Sinclair played for the States she would probably have 200 goals by now and the US would of won the last World Cup. Fly that up the USA boards and I think you'll discover the difference between ungrateful and reality. I think over the long run we could place maybe one or two on the U.S. roster, pretty much what you would statistically expect given their population and climate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan68 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 I think Vic is being very realistic. Based on numbers of players (and to a certain extent climate)we can not use a US model and hope to be competative much above what we are now (9th in the world). We have been stable in the rankings for a time and inorder to improve we need to get more players into the program to increase the level of competition for positions on the team. This can only start at the grass roots level perhaps 10 or 11. Players at this level need to be identified and provided with good coaching (mentoring) and brought together (often) so that the cream will rise to the top. We need indoor facilities that can train for the outdoor game and use the indoor game only for conditioning and individual skills training. We need to upgrade the Women's University game (more money, longer season etc) and make it a viable alternative to heading south. We need to encourage our best to continue to go south for training. Each $ spent on them south of the boarder is a $ saved for our internal program. We need to have a place for the women who are finished with their schooling to play. Either in N. America or in Europe perhaps with some $$ as a subsidy. Finally we need a CSA that can have the vision and the drive to accomplish great things and at the same time provide a few games here in Canada so the fans can see what a great game Women's Football is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 quote:Originally posted by terpfan68 I think Vic is being very realistic. Based on numbers of players (and to a certain extent climate)we can not use a US model and hope to be competative much above what we are now (9th in the world). We have been stable in the rankings for a time and in order to improve we need to get more players into the program to increase the level of competition for positions on the team. This can only start at the grass roots level perhaps 10 or 11. Players at this level need to be identified and provided with good coaching (mentoring) and brought together (often) so that the cream will rise to the top. We need indoor facilities that can train for the outdoor game and use the indoor game only for conditioning and individual skills training. We need to upgrade the Women's University game (more money, longer season etc) and make it a viable alternative to heading south. We need to encourage our best to continue to go south for training. Each $ spent on them south of the boarder is a $ saved for our internal program. We need to have a place for the women who are finished with their schooling to play. Either in N. America or in Europe perhaps with some $$ as a subsidy. Finally we need a CSA that can have the vision and the drive to accomplish great things and at the same time provide a few games here in Canada so the fans can see what a great game Women's Football is. Very well summarized and a realist set of points. The women program needs to forge ahead and make some changes. One point I would like to comment on is that one of ...players at this level need to be identified and provided with good coaching (mentoring) and brought together (often) so that the cream will rise to the top. Players at a young age (start of teen years) need to be mixed with more or equally talented players including older ones (mixed age teams). Almost all of the skill learning process and onset of confidence come from peer group dynamics, and not from coaches. As a matter of fact, the 'coach' is the least relevant part of the equation. One could say that NTC's fill some of the peer group learning, but it is marginal. NTC's are just that training centres. They are not stable teams. Never the same mix of players and always a struggle for placement. I am not advocating doing away with NTCs. They need to continue, but be in addition to and a complement to stable special select teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan68 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Like the idea of age advancement in youth leagues IF the player is good enough to be in the starting eleven. My daughters benifited from playing with/against boys/men. They increased their level of agression and their desire to win the 50-50 ball. They earned their share of fouls but as the saying goes "if the team is not getting some fouls they aren't playing hard enough." In the air they fought for every ball and often the two of them had more head balls than the entire rest of both teams. Agression is very hard to teach and that's something the women's game needs. Not cheap stuff but good hard play like the German team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superfan Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Aggressive, talented, physical style of play, senior players who have developed through the ranks, have international experience, that can be role models, mentors and motivators for the younger players coming up - gee that sounds like Hooper, Latham and Nonen who don't play for the team any more because according to Christine Sinclairs public rantings "WE DON"T NEED THEM". Well this is apparently what can happen to senior players over a discrepancy with a coach - rather than turf him like the US did with Ryan, lets let a coach thats not producing turf our players, doctors etc. Hey we are from Canada, lets constantly rebuild, its what we do best and it is the greatest reason/excuse any coach can have for poor performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Some great ideas there. I know the coaches in the CIS are looking to improve the professionalism in the Canadian game. And improvements there will definitely help. We don't do that badly at 10/11. It's more a few years after that we fall off. And it's always a delicate balance between the challenge of older age play and the discouragement of less success. And it takes a lot of one-to-one hands-on management to stay involved and make sure it works out. Aggression? If anyone thinks a women's soccer player doesn't need aggression, they only need watch a few of the matches in the last WWC. Shirt-pulling, feet flying, stitches, blood, tears, pain, agony. Paying the price is not gender specific. Yes, bad coaches are the least relevant part of the equation, but good ones can have extremely powerful roles. Although I am also as big a fan as you of peer group learning. But without a doubt the biggest obstacle we will have beginning next year as a country is no quality domestic (or N.A.) option after university. And if we don't resolve that as a country, we will free fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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