German... Brasil Final

[terpfan68]

I'm saying that passing among defenders inflates the overall possession statistics. They actually might have done better if they would have passed more while attacking the goal instead of using one on one individual play.

[The Ref]

quote:Originally posted by terpfan68

I'm saying that passing among defenders inflates the overall possession statistics. They actually might have done better if they would have passed more while attacking the goal instead of using one on one individual play.

Precisely the feeling I got, that Brazil played too much as a collection of egos trying to prove their individual skills rather than playing more as a team, like Germany did.

[amacpher]

quote:Originally posted by The Ref

Precisely the feeling I got, that Brazil played too much as a collection of egos trying to prove their individual skills rather than playing more as a team, like Germany did.

That's just how Brasilians learned to play. Men and women. Whether its a result of egos or not, its the style that works best for them. There is no soccer guidebook titled "This is how you win, no matter what type of players exist on your team"

[terpfan68]

It only works best if you have tried both styles and been more successful with one over the other. Have they tried any other approach?

The same arguement might be made for the Canadian team. We could try a possession game and if it wasn't an improvement then go back to direct style football.

[Canuck Oranje]

First of all, the men's and women's game in Brazil are miles apart. The men's game is traditional and wide spread. The women's game is probably less developed in Brazil than it is in Canada and very regional. The women's game in Brazil gets very little support, although that may change. The organized women's game in Brazil is strictly amateur and has little structure until the teen years in certain parts of the country and no structure in others.

Inflated egos typically develop when athletes get more attention than they deserve. I don't know how inflated egos would occur on the women's side of the game because very little attention is given to the women's game in Brazil (try finding information on the Women's National Team on the CBF website and compare that to the volumes available on the men's side).

On style of play, if a player develops a style of play with very little structure around her, it stands to reason that that her development and style of play would focus on her own skills (on top of learning the game through free play in 30 degree C heat). Then, the task as a coach is first to get these ladies to work together as a team. Only after that can you even try to develop a team structure and organize it. Changing the style of play would only happen logically further down the road.

It is almost the converse of the Canadian game where most girls likely begin playing organized soccer at 6-8 yrs of age and are coached to work in a structure rather than to rely solely on her own skills for success. The German and Scandanavian game is probably closer to the Canadian situation.

quote:Originally posted by terpfan68

It only works best if you have tried both styles and been more successful with one over the other. Have they tried any other approach?

The same arguement might be made for the Canadian team. We could try a possession game and if it wasn't an improvement then go back to direct style football.

[Trillium]

quote:Originally posted by Canuck Oranje

First of all, the men's and women's game in Brazil are miles apart. The men's game is traditional and wide spread. The women's game is probably less developed in Brazil than it is in Canada and very regional. The women's game in Brazil gets very little support, although that may change. The organized women's game in Brazil is strictly amateur and has little structure until the teen years in certain parts of the country and no structure in others.

Inflated egos typically develop when athletes get more attention than they deserve. I don't know how inflated egos would occur on the women's side of the game because very little attention is given to the women's game in Brazil (try finding information on the Women's National Team on the CBF website and compare that to the volumes available on the men's side).

On style of play, if a player develops a style of play with very little structure around her, it stands to reason that that her development and style of play would focus on her own skills (on top of learning the game through free play in 30 degree C heat). Then, the task as a coach is first to get these ladies to work together as a team. Only after that can you even try to develop a team structure and organize it. Changing the style of play would only happen logically further down the road.

It is almost the converse of the Canadian game where most girls likely begin playing organized soccer at 6-8 yrs of age and are coached to work in a structure rather than to rely solely on her own skills for success. The German and Scandanavian game is probably closer to the Canadian situation.

I think even outside the south of Brasil the womens game has good athletes... Its suprising the quality you can see playing 11 aside on the beach ...or seven v seven on smaller pitches.

The organized game for females seems to be well served in the colleigos the high schools... the private ones... which have lower middle class and up ... in the social scale students....seem to get good quality coaches, far better then many elementary or High Schools in North America.

I am pretty confident the brasilians will produce generation after generaton of good female players...they have a huge resource base to be developed.