River City Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 STARTUP 1,000 seat stadium $10,000 Fee REVENUES YEAR 1 YEAR 2 YEAR 3 Sponsorship 5,000 5,000 5,000 Tickets 9,700 10,000 10,000 Merchandise 1,000 1,000 1,000 Parking/Concessions 3,000 3,000 3,000 Camps/Clinics 5,000 5,000 5,000 Net Revenue 23,700 24,000 24,000 EXPENSES YEAR 1 YEAR 2 YEAR 3 League Fees 5,000 5,000 5,000 CSA Fees 1,000 1,000 1,000 Player Insurance 2,000 2,000 2,000 Coach Salaries 5,000 5,000 5,000 Office Salaries 5,000 5,000 5,000 Payroll Taxes 1,000 1,000 1,000 Team Equipment 3,000 2,000 2,000 Game Day Operations 1,000 1,000 1,000 Travel Cost of Buses Advertising 1,000 1,000 1,000 Merchandise 1,000 1,000 1,000 Printing 1,000 1,000 1,000 Camps/Clinics 1,000 1,000 1,000 Office Expenses 1,000 1,000 1,000 Misc 1,000 1,000 1,000 Stadium Rental 5,000 5,000 5,000 Net Expenses 34,000 33,000 33,000 Potential Profit Loss -12,300 -11,000 -11,000 Breakdown of Ticket Sales 10 games(Year 1) Type----Per Game---Total----Price/Tic---Revenue Single--90----------900-----5-----------4,500 Season--100---------100-----40----------4,000 Group---30----------300-----4-----------1,200 Totals--220-----------------------------9,700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 I haven't viewed a single post on the 'Buy your own football team' thread, so I am really playing catch up. Pretty busy right now, but I am interested in the Prairie concept. I think a Prairie Super League is the way to go. We will talk more later...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aljarov Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Any reason why you think an amateur PDL team would bringi n 3x that of a semi-pro CSL-equivalent side? PDL has only 8 home games. Home many in this incarnation>? Obviously, I'm an advocate of the idea...so just asking questions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aljarov Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Any reason why you think an amateur PDL team would bringi n 3x that of a semi-pro CSL-equivalent side? PDL has only 8 home games. Home many in this incarnation>? Obviously, I'm an advocate of the idea...so just asking questions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
River City Posted July 3, 2008 Author Share Posted July 3, 2008 For the PDL numbers, I copied them straight out of the USL franchise information booklet. I went as conservative as possible with these numbers to show what a bare bones operation would look like. Can a team draw more than 100 people a game? I'd say so, but with that as the base, I think it's workable. Obviously there's room for all sorts of shenanigans....if I were running the Edmonton team as an example, I'd cut the coaching salaries to zero but let them run all coaching camps and clinics and keep the profits. Maybe a small percentage would go back to the team....depends what's negotiated. As well, I would use the players as ticket sellers and let them keep a percentage of any tickets they sell. They wouldn't have to go on the streets or anything, but just selling to their friends, family, etc. There's always one guy who'd sell hundreds of tickets, while the most of the rest wouldn't bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 One thing for the PDL, the season does not work for the Canadian Prairies. It starts too early and ends too early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
River City Posted July 17, 2008 Author Share Posted July 17, 2008 http://www.edmontonsun.com/Sports/Soccer/2008/07/17/6180736-sun.html ANOTHER KICK AT SOCCER By BRIAN SWANE, SUN MEDIA Thursday, July 17, 2008 Edmonton is being targeted for a Canadian Soccer League team. The Eastern-based CSL announced its desire to establish a west division with six teams in the Prairie provinces. Investors are being sought for expansion franchises, valued at $150,000 each. CSL Commissioner Cary Kaplan says local groups have shown interest in his minor pro league, adding, "it's very premature, early stages, but they are legitimate." In the next month, the league will meet with prospective owners before deciding whether to proceed with expansion, which would occur for the 2009 or 2010 season. Because the league will not have inter-divisional games, Kaplan says, at least four or five teams are needed to make a west division feasible. Calgary, Edmonton, Regina, Saskatoon and Winnipeg are key markets, with Brandon, Lethbridge and Red Deer also possible franchise locations, says Kaplan. The Canadian Major Indoor Soccer League, a four-team prairie circuit that includes the Edmonton Drillers and is headed by local businessman Mel Kowalchuk, was approached about expansion by the CSL, Kaplan says, but declined involvement. "I think they're planning to grow it over many more years ... so that's OK," says Kaplan. "It's a big pie. We have a pretty specific plan that we think we're going to have a chance to be a truly national league with a real presence, and the invitation's open to those guys at any time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 I have to wonder whether this push by the CSL to sell it's grossly overpriced franchises isn't motivated in large part by the need to keep funding the cost of the league office and its employees. As a former franchisee (not soccer) sale of new franchises is typically a crucial element of any franchisor's financials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
River City Posted July 17, 2008 Author Share Posted July 17, 2008 Hey Richard, could it also be motivated by a desire to grow the greating league? Please don't hijack this thread with your anti CSL-rants. Keep your comments to the CSL Expansion thread on the 'Other Men's Leagues' section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 17, 2008 Share Posted July 17, 2008 ^ That's been my point all along - the cost to join the CSL is not justifiable - but many people here simply see me as anti-CSL, which I am not. I just do not see the return for the franchise fee investment and ongoing royalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 quote:Originally posted by dsqpr Richard, I'm new to the board so I don't have any pre-conceived notions about your agenda... Give it time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted July 18, 2008 Share Posted July 18, 2008 quote:Originally posted by dsqpr Richard, I'm new to the board so I don't have any pre-conceived notions about your agenda and I agree with your point regarding the franchise fee. Also, your comments seem to be right on-topic to me (sorry River City). For one he is trying to rid the world of football fans who drink and swear and otherwise have a good time at games. CSL franchise fees also seem overpriced to me though but if they can find clubs that will pay them and can set up a western Canada league then good for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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