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  1. I don't think the Board makes much of a difference now that someone has grown a pair and actually made a move.
  2. WOW! Been out of the office all day so this is just sinking in! Happy B-Day gwallaca76. What a gift. Let's just hope this works out for the best.
  3. I'm not really concerned with what the teams are called, as they're overall ability is what counts. If Joe's Hamburger All-Stars can beat the Toronto Really Classy Named Guys, then that's all that matters.
  4. Actually, one of the teams in the AMSL is the Green and Gold. They are administered by the UofA as part of their overall CIS/AMSL/Academy program. IMHO, they could kick the crap out of Lethbridge. And beating Calgary wouldn't be that hard either. http://www.greenandgoldsoccer.com/nav01.cfm?nav01=18572&CFNoCache=TRUE
  5. Well, I think if we're going to eliminate options so as not to open the door to conflict and ridicule, then we should promptly shut down this forum and never talk out loud about professional soccer in Canada again! I would say that the Provincial teams should be ranked in the same category as the CIS. Just because someone had the grades to make it to the U of A, doesn't mean they can kick a soccer ball better than someone who didn't. The issue with the provincial leagues is that some of them are not as strong as others and we need to look at something to make them rankifiable. (Ok, I couldn't think of a word). Maybe their performance at nationals?
  6. the thread that will not die.... Here is Victoria's schedule in the AMSL for Outdoor 2005. As discussed many posts ago, I will start a new thread for the AMSL with their entire schedule once the league releases it. Date Time (all pm) Home Away Location May 29, Saturday 2:00 Victoria Scottish Victoria, Edmonton June 6, Sunday 3:00 Victoria Renegades Victoria, Edmonton June 12 Saturday 2:00 Victoria Ital Canadians Victoria, Edmonton June 19 Saturday 2:00 Renegades Victoria Great Chief, Red Deer June 26 Saturday 2:00 Callies Victoria Broadview, Calgary June 27 Sunday 2:00 Villians Victoria Broadview, Calgary July 7 Wednesday 5:30 Green & Gold Victoria Foote Field, Edmonton July 10 Saturday 3:00 Victoria Croatia Victoria, Edmonton July 11 Sunday 2:00 Victoria Dinos Victoria, Edmonon July 18 Sunday 2:00 Scottish Victoria Ellerslie, Edmonton July 24 Saturday 12:00 Dinos Victoria Broadview, Calgary July 25 Sunday 2:00 Croatia Victoria Soccer Centre, Lethbridge August 10 Tuesday 7:00 Victoria Green & Gold Victoria, Edmonton August 14 Saturday 2:00 Victoria Villians Victoria, Edmonton August 15 Sunday 2:00 Victoria Callies Victoria, Edmonton August 18 Wednesday 7:00 Ital-Canadians Victoria Clarke Stadium, Edmonton
  7. Based on the SWOT analysis done earlier and taking into account all of the discussion since, I have finally put (almost) everything together and am pasting it below. Please remember that before PHASE FOUR occurs, PHASE THREE has to work and the clubs have to be ready to make the jump, otherwise, the whole thing will die. STRENGTHS: 1) Good organizational infrastructure across Canada ie. provincial and local associations 2) Talent base 3) Strong existing Clubs that are ambitious 4) First world economy, capitalist society 5) Strong sports coverage across Canada (media) 6) Strong University league in place(amateur league for draft purposes) 7) Proliferation and acceptance of field turf, season extension. 8) Visibility of Global leagues strengthen case for TV deal WEAKNESSES: 1) Weak national association 2) Weak public (media) image of sport 3) No identifiable Owners with deep pockets for a full fledged national league 4) Weak track record of paid attendance 5) Lack of identifiable and inexpensive facilities 6) Lack of identifiable revenue streams for Clubs 7) Short season 8) Part-time players have limited availability due to 'real work' commitments 9) Volunteer Management may not be capable or have required skills OPPORTUNITIES: 1) Creation of strong regional leagues to serve as second division is feasible and will provided the immediate base for any future 'National League' 2) 2007 will provide buzz, but action needs to be taken (if MLS had waited a year to launch it would have lost any momentum the WC 94 provided) 3) league could obtain marketing databses through soccer schools and combined efforts with local associations 4) Get markting mentorship from NHL. NHL offseason = Soccer season. If Yankees and Man U can be partners.... 5) Import of reserve talent from other leagues 6) Corporate involvement in league through ownership packages as well as exclusive sponsorships to each of the 10-14 teams. Each team would have one corporate logo on their jersey and other merch, every stadium would have field level signage exclusively from the 10-14 sponsors (so they could be seen on TV, newspapers etc.), logos at official league events, and on national broadcasts (this game has been brought to you by...). They could be sold with 5 year terms at $500,000 a piece ($100,000 per year) like stadium naming rights. $5 million in revenue right there. 7) Creation of official Voyageurs/Local Organizing Committees/Ultra groups to get involved locally, lobby businesses and media and help sell tickets. Possible incentive - Sell 10 tickets and get one free 8) Each team to have territorial rights so that they may market their teams as they wish, tailoring it to the local conditions and not concerning themselves with other teams 9) Adidas, Nike, Puma, etc might be interested if a watertight business plan and stability are offered 10) Linkage with Foreign Clubs to nurture talent, sponsorship and mentorship 11) Linkage with existing A-League Clubs as it wold provide them with better control of talent development THREATS: 1) Existing associations may not be keen to support any new ventures as they prefer to extend their own influence and power 2) No guarantee of a TV deal or positive media coverage. How much coverage did the Aviators and Mustangs receive locally? 3) Startup costs will undoubtedly keep many groups at bay 4) Competition fom MLS, A-League, and Europe (keeping talent) 5) American influence on our infrastructure. Canadian League vs. MLS 6) Competition with CFL for entertainment dollar, TV deal PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR THE RESHAPING OF CANADA'S SOCCER STRUCTURE PHASE ONE - VOYAGEURS AWARDS 1 - The Voyageurs Cup It will continue to be awarded to the overall winner of the USL matches between the three Canadian teams. 2 - The Voyageurs Ranking List A ranking system will be setup to establish a statistical manner of comparing the various teams throughout Canada. 1)MLS - 0 Teams - W= 6pts, D= 3pts, L= -3pts 2)USL 1 - 3 Teams - W= 4pts, D= 2pts, L= -3pts 3)PCSL and CPSL - 20 Teams - W= 3pts, D= 1pt, L= -2pts 4)AMSL and CIAU - 10 Teams - W= 2pts, D= 1pt, L= -1pt 6)Other Provincial - W= 1.5pts, D= .5pt, L= -1pt The points awarded for 2005 will decline by 20% each year so that by 2009, the point value gained every year will look like this; Year Value 2009 5/5 2008 4/5 2007 3/5 2006 2/5 2005 1/5 3 - The Voyageurs Golden Shoe To determine the best striker in all the land, the following point system will be used to compare all strikers. 1)MLS - 3pts 2)USL 1 - 2pts 3)PCSL and CPSL - 1.5pts 4)AMSL and CIAU - 1pt 6)Other Provincial - .5pt PHASE TWO - A NATIONAL CUP IN 2006 OPTION 1 The Voyageurs Cup is awarded to the winner of an 8 team, CSA sanctioned tournament, with the winner going to represent Canada at the next CONCACAF tournament. WHO:The teams invited would be as follows; the 3 USL teams, the PCSL champ, one team from the prairies (champions of Alberta, Sask, Manitoba to figure it out), CPSL champ, Quebec champ, one team from the Maritimes. Any teams declining to attend to be replaced by 1) another team from prairies, 2) another team from maritimes FORMAT: Two groups of 4 with 12 group stage games plus 2 semifinals, 3rd place and final. Total of 16 games. WHEN/WHERE: The tourney will be held in conjunction with the CSA nationals. MONEY: All teams paying own way to get to tourney (it shouldn't be that difficult considering crappy teams go off on tourneys all the time). Tourney organized by LOC (local org committee)All costs to be covered from revenue. Any extra rev to be awarded to winner. STEPS NEEDED: 1) Voyageur support 2) Lobby CSA to sanction tourney without demanding its pound of flesh 3) Settle format, date and location - Voyageurs in each city to provide details 4) Setup LOC 5) Invite teams OPTION 2 FORMAT: 3 rounds of one game, knock-out competition for a total of 7 games. WHEN/WHERE: The rounds would be played on the Victoria Day weekend, Canada Day weekend and Civic Holiday Weekend at sites to be determined once the draw is held. OPTION 3 To award the Voyageurs Cup to the winner of a Canada wide, single elimination open tournament. An entry deadline of December 31, 2005 with a sliding scale entry fee would be required and all preliminary round matches would be played at the municipal level, regional level, provincial level, interprovincial level, and finally national. PHASE THREE - LINKING REGIONAL LEAGUES IN 2008 On the heels of the 2007 FIFA World Youth Championship, the following leagues would provide 4 teams each to play in new regional leagues, with a promotion/relegation system in place as long as all requirements are met. WESTERN LEAGUE PCSL, AMSL PRAIRIE LEAGUE Saskatchewan and Manitoba CENTRAL LEAGUE CPSL AND Soccer Quebec MARITIMES The 4 provinces would have to establish a regional league with two teams from each province. PHASE FOUR - A NATIONAL LEAGUE Once the viability of the Regional leagues has been established hopefully around 2010, an 8 team National league would be established, consisting of two conferences and playing from May until September. The Western and Eastern Conferences would have 4 teams each and could play 2 games against each team in other division (8 games) with 6 games aganst teams within their division (18 games) for a total number of 26 games. Playoffs: Top two teams in each division play each other in a two game total series. Final at the home of the finalist with the better overall record.
  8. Well, since it doesn't look like the PCSL wants to or is able to get involved, then I'm guessing we could have a team from the Vancouver Metro, Victoria Island or Fraser Valley Leagues. Any idea which one has a higher level of play?
  9. Well, since it doesn't look like the PCSL wants to or is able to get involved, then I'm guessing we could have a team from the Vancouver Metro, Victoria Island or Fraser Valley Leagues. Any idea which one has a higher level of play?
  10. Ted, the 2006 CSA Challenge Cup will be held in British Columbia (city not selected yet). If planning were to start right away for doing a CSA sanctioned, Voyageur Cup tourney with the winner going to represent Canada at the Concacaf level, would the PCSL get on board? The PCSL would get one automatic entry. If you were to automatically give that to your champion or field the best 20 players would be entirely up to you. Your sticking points are; 1) money 2) timing 1) If we can get your provisional commitment, then we can get the same from the other teams/leagues. Once we have 8 commitments, then we approach the CSA and then sponsors. I personally think each team should be responsible for their own expenses, especially the CPSL entry considering it will be in BC. But if as you prefer, all costs are to be covered, then I don't think any prize money should be given out. 2) As for the timing, it depends on when all the other leagues finish up. The AMSL finishes in August (Aug 25 in 2004) The A-League finishes in September (Sept 18 in 2004) The CPSL finishes in October (Oct 11 in 2004) I still think we should do it around the time of the CSA championship (Canadian Thanksgiving). The other option is to have a draw with 8 committed teams (3 A-League teams and the 5 champions from the regional leagues from 2005) be drawn to play each other in a one game, knockout format. For example, FIRST ROUND (winners advance to next round): PCSL vs Toronto Lynx AMSL vs Montreal Impact Vancouver Whitecaps vs Maritimes PCSL vs Quebec Each of these games would have to be played by a certain point in the year or on Victoria Day, so that the second round could be on Canada Day and the third round could be played on the Ciic Holiday. Your thoughts...
  11. Ha, ha. OK guys, can we leave this thread for discussions of an outdoor soccer league and the requirements to get it started? BTW, CPSNL should be Canadian Professional Subbuteo National League and not Canadian Professional National Subbuteo League as you have it.
  12. Were you a founding member of the PCSL? I'm curious as to what your take is on why the league got started, because as per your comments above, it looks like nothing would ever get off the ground if it were up to you. Please tell me how you line up sponsors for a first time event before you even have teams competing. Most people would getthe teams first and then go after sponsors. I don't think it's just me. As for travel costs, I'm sure Victoria United travelled to Seatlle once or twice before, so I don't see how travelling to Calgary would force them to take out a million dollar loan at the bank. Sure it would be more expensive, but considering the experience they would gain by playing for the national cup, I think most Clubs would be willing to do it.
  13. This is degenarating like a Monty Python sketch... Please put your differences aside for while anyway and look at the following scenario. 2005 Voyageurs Cup is awarded to the winner of an 8 team tourney, which will be considered by the CSA as the Canadian Champion and gets to represent us at the next CONCACAF tournament. WHEN:The tourney will be held after the current CSA nationals or in conjucntion. WHO:The teams invited would be as follows; the 3 USL teams, the PCSL champ, one team from the prairies (champions of Alberta, Sask, Manitoba to figure it out), CPSL champ, Quebec champ, one team from the Maritimes. Any teams declining to attend to be replaced by 1) another team from prairies, 2) another team from maritimes HOW:Two groups of 4 with 12 group stage games plus 2 semifinals, 3rd place and final. Total of 16 games. WHERE:If Edmonton, could have group games and semis at Foote and the last two games at Commonwealth MONEY: All teams paying own way to get to tourney (it shouldn't be that difficult considering crappy teams go off on tourneys all the time). Tourney organized by LOC (local org committee)All costs to be covered from revenue. Any extra rev to be awarded to winner. WHAT IS NEEDED: 1) Voyageur support 2) Lobby CSA to sanction tourney without demanding its pound of flesh 3) Settle date and location - Voyageurs in each city to provide details of what's available 4) Setup LOC 5) Invite teams I think this is feasible and needs to be done. The leagues represented would get more attention and prestige and I think this would serve as an incentive for the leagues to improve their relationships and the Clubs to step it up a notch. Any future regional or pan-canadian leagues would grow from the increased contact between regional leagues.
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