Canadian Soccer under the Tories

[Loud Mouth Soup]

Let me ask-why are so many of you still obsessed with a Tory government that went out in 1993?

And why are you so willing to absolve the Liberals of the same, if not more, abuse of your money, insulting of your intelligence, and their blatant lying?

[Cheeta]

How about this.

Dirt poor trying to raise my child through times of austerity after having been brought up to believe that in Canada all human life was of equal and important value no matter what your station of birth.

Seeing program after program ment to equalise the economic disparities that exist between the have and have nots shot down in the the name of fiscal responsabilty. A harsh fiscal responsability brought on by the economic ruin of the Mulroney and his fu'king toadies. All of whom happily grew rich doing it.

What was the deficiet of the last Tory goverment? 42 billion dollars?

I'll forgive the torys in 100 years once we've finished paying off the depts they ran up (for no good reason) during 8 years of power.

The Wee Elf graduated from one of those tory cut programs once upon a time. The very last class before the whole thing got cancelled. In 2004 she payed more in taxes than every single cent she every collected of goverment money. And that was just last year. Add up the 11 years or so before that and I think the Crown is way ahead of the game.

That's why. I remember.

Rant out.

P.S. No excuse. This goverment should fall and be held before the electorate for judgment. Funny thing democracy. We'll get what we deserve at the end of the day. Either way it'll be a new goverment once it's all said and done, even if the Liberals win the day.

Either Martin will have excized Chretian and his hacks or Harper will have excized the Mulroney/Manning ghosts. Can't see either result being overall a bad thing for the country.

[DoyleG]

The Gomrey Commission is independent of the government and would continue to work even if the Tories gain power.

The last witnesses should be called before the Tories table their motion of confidence.

[BC supporter]

To believe that it is essential for national unity to have the Liberals in power is to buy into their spin. Yeah, they've done a wonderful job so far, haven't they? What will happen in Quebec, from what appears to be a sure PQ provincial victory to the projected increase in Bloc MPs, is going to occur whether there's a Liberal or Conservative government in Ottawa. So why hold your nose and vote for the federal Liberals?

Perhaps it's easy for me to criticize. I've never voted Liberal or Conservative in my life, and it's safe to say I never will. They don't represent me or my values. I don't fear a Conservative minority government, though, because I believe the Liberals have countenanced corruption for too long and will say and do anything to retain power. The sense of entitlement that seems pervasive throughout the Liberal party won't end until they put in some time in Opposition.

As for the topic of this thread, I see no change for Canadian soccer one way or the other.

[Desigol]

Neo-Cons Suck!

[argh1]

Hmmmmm, let me look around.....yeppers I'm in the MerryTimes.

My local choices will be a "Red-Tory"(an old Progressive Conservative,who is either Progressive or Conservative depending on the audience) a "Centreist right/left leaning Grit"(depending on the audience) or a "Neo-Socialist" who believes in the free market(Socialist or Free Market depending on the audience).

Look the pigs have replaced the farmer.

[JayWay]

The Canadian national team is undefeated under an NDP government.

The choice is yours.

[JayWay]

quote:Originally posted by BC supporter

To believe that it is essential for national unity to have the Liberals in power is to buy into their spin. Yeah, they've done a wonderful job so far, haven't they? What will happen in Quebec, from what appears to be a sure PQ provincial victory to the projected increase in Bloc MPs, is going to occur whether there's a Liberal or Conservative government in Ottawa. So why hold your nose and vote for the federal Liberals?

I agree.

Quebec sovereignty seems more and more certain these days. Unless something huge happens in next two years, a Ducceppe led PQ will likely lead Quebec to independance.

At this point, what's more important is not Quebec independence (not much we can do), but its immediate effects. Western alienation is real (as is regional disillusion in general) and a separatist victory in Quebec could be just the spark to force a crisis.

The thing is, I doubt any Western province would push for independence under a Conservative government. For this reason, as much as I detest the Conservatives' politics, I fear a Liberal victory as much as I do a Conservative one. We saw the outrage a Liberal minority created last year. Imagine the outrage, given more recent, and more damning, revelations by way of the Gomery Commission, if the Liberals managed to squeak by again. It could be taken as the final sign that fighting for change is pointless and that a centrally dictated Canada is more than willing to tolerate corruption and stagnation. This, combined with what could be the first 'domino' in a chain reaction of anti-confederation movements, could prove disasterous for a united Canada.

I realize its very much a worst case scenario, but the uncertainty that a PQ referendum win would bring is worth considering all out comes.

It's pretty depressing. A Conservative win would probably see Canada sold down the river to American interests (values and all), hence destroying Canadian sovereignty, while a Liberal win could likely force more regional angst...in a round about way possibly forcing the end of Candian sovereignty... Err...defintely depressing.

[Richard]

Liberal social, judicial and fiscal philosophies are much closer to traditional Canadian values and diametrically opposed to those of the new Conservatives whose roots lie in fundamentalist western separatism and whose philosophies are a mirror image of the US neocon Republican approach. If you think any deeper than the superficial issues of the day you should be careful about blithely switching your vote away from the Liberals to the Conservatives, and voting NDP at this juncture may unseat the Liberals but will just ensure that Stephen Harper becomes the next prime minister.

And if you think getting government funding for soccer out of a New Conservative Party government will be easier than a Liberal government, think again. The Conservatives are far more likely to simply point you at the private sector and say go raise your money there.

[devioustrevor]

quote:Originally posted by Loud Mouth Soup

And why are you so willing to absolve the Liberals of the same, if not more, abuse of your money, insulting of your intelligence, and their blatant lying?

Because we'd rather have a liar than a treasonous, Republican lapdog that will do everything possible to force the population to be conformist to his ultra-conservatism.

By the way, the Conervatives are full of liars too. In order to get elected Leader of the PC party, Peter MacKay promised no merger with the Canadian Alliance. Within months Canada's oldest political party ceased to exist. As for Stephen Harper's claim that if he was Prime Minister the American border would be open to Canadian Beef. It proves he's either a liar or too stupid to be the leader of a country with one of the worlds largest economies. The American border is closed to Canadian beef because of economic protectionism. There is nothing Stephen Harper could do about that. American cattle ranchers like the higher beef prices they recieve as it means more money for them.