bettermirror Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 hi, i am bored at work, thought i'd start a fun thread. what is your all-time canadian dream team? (i can't decide!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 ------------------------------------Joe Kennaway --Bobby Lenarduzzi--Frank Yallop---Randy Samuels---Bruce Wilson -------------------------------------Paul Stalteri--------- ---------------Gerry Gray-------Dale Mitchell-----Igor Vrablic --------------------------John Catliff---Alex Bunbury It's late and I may regret some of those choices. Really, really hard. Forrest, deVos, Menezes, Bridge; DeGuzman, Aguiar, Valentine, Ragan, Brennan; Pesch, Radzinski (I had him on, but decided against three forwards). There's a second team to boot. I may be missing some great guys from way back in the day, but I can't think of anyone too obvious I've left out. cheers, matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Oranje Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I would suggest the following changes Radzinski and de Guzman need to be included if only because they are playing in Top 4 leagues in Europe.. Vrablic I thought was a forward. So I would take out Catliff and Vrablic.. I am ok with the defence but I will point out that they are not a cut above current players such as De Vos and McKenna. I don't know Kennaway in goal but I would make a case for Forrest because he had a lengthy career in England and really held Canada together when our defence was average in the '90s quote:Originally posted by matthew ------------------------------------Joe Kennaway --Bobby Lenarduzzi--Frank Yallop---Randy Samuels---Bruce Wilson -------------------------------------Paul Stalteri--------- ---------------Gerry Gray-------Dale Mitchell-----Igor Vrablic --------------------------John Catliff---Alex Bunbury It's late and I may regret some of those choices. Really, really hard. Forrest, deVos, Menezes, Bridge; DeGuzman, Aguiar, Valentine, Ragan, Brennan; Pesch, Radzinski (I had him on, but decided against three forwards). There's a second team to boot. I may be missing some great guys from way back in the day, but I can't think of anyone too obvious I've left out. cheers, matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted January 5, 2004 Author Share Posted January 5, 2004 ok, i'll give it a crack! gk-forrest rb-yallop cd-samuels cd-de vos lb-wilson rm-valentine dm-stalteri am-mitchell lm-de guzman st-radzinski st-bunbury sub: catliff (so hard to decide between bunbury and catliff) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I think DeGuzman will be good enough in the future, but right now his national team career accomplishments are pretty minor compared to guys who have retired. Catliff's our all-time goal leader (with Mitchell) that must count for something. Kennaway was one of the best goalies in the world in the 1930s. He led Celtic to two league titles and three cups in a 10-year career in Scotland back when it was one of the premiere leagues in the world. He was capped for Canada and Scotland and played on the Scottish league XI a few times. Colin Jose said he was the best Canadian of the century, that's good enough for me. There aren't many real clear-cut choices though.... cheers, matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Oranje Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Kennaway maybe should be recognized as the starting goalkeeper. Still I don't see Vrablic ahead of de Guzman. Also Radzinski has to be one of the starting forwards. So if Catliff belongs on the starting eleven, it should be at the expense of Alex Bunbury. However, I guess I am using my sense of quality rather than national team record. quote:Originally posted by matthew I think DeGuzman will be good enough in the future, but right now his national team career accomplishments are pretty minor compared to guys who have retired. Catliff's our all-time goal leader (with Mitchell) that must count for something. Kennaway was one of the best goalies in the world in the 1930s. He led Celtic to two league titles and three cups in a 10-year career in Scotland back when it was one of the premiere leagues in the world. He was capped for Canada and Scotland and played on the Scottish league XI a few times. Colin Jose said he was the best Canadian of the century, that's good enough for me. There aren't many real clear-cut choices though.... cheers, matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted January 5, 2004 Author Share Posted January 5, 2004 i am flip-floppy with bunbury/catliff. i'd probably rotate them depending on whom we played as they are very different. kennaway is my keeper now that i know this celtic info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 If the question is about a "dream team" (as originally posted), I don't think it matters that Catliff has scored more for the National team than Radzinski at this point in Radz's career - my dream team would feature the most talented players in the best combination & that wouldn't include John Catliff, who was good in the air, had a great, hard left-footed shot but was incredibly slow. Bunbury & Radz would be fine, but I'd go with Radz & Mitchell as two strikers. Stalteri & De Guzman would be in the midfield, with Forrest in net. Not sure about the rest of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 My daydreams are about guys scoring goals in the red and white, not mega talents looking disinterested half the time. Anyway the forward spot was really, really hard to decide. I can't believe DeGuzman is almost unanimous by everyone but me. The kid has loads of talent to be sure and is in a big league, but I'm not sure you could even call him a regular starter for Canada at this point (sure that miller and holger's fault more than his). I guess pure skill and potential merit it, but when thinking all-time his career is still really early. Oh well, everyone's choices have been good and there's no easy choices in the lineup. cheers, matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 quote:Originally posted by matthew I can't believe DeGuzman is almost unanimous by everyone but me. cheers, matthew I agree with you Matthew. DeGuzman may well end up on the dream team in a few years, but it'll be a few more caps to convince me. BTW, I trust you've shaken the embers off your jacket and coughed the smoke out of your lungs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 My dream team Forrest Wilson, Samuel, deVos, Miller Valentine, Mitchell, Hooper, Stalteri Bunbury, Radzinski, Subs : Dolan, Lenarduzzi, Sweeney, Catliff The most strange thing about James "Joe" Kenneway is that he signed with Celtic to replace their current keeper John Thomson who was tragically killed. Thomson received a serious head injury while playing against Rangers on September 5th, 1931. He died later in hospital, having never regained consciousness after the incident. He dive at the feet of Rangers forward Sam English as he went to shoot. As English shot, John Thomson's head took the full impact of the Rangers player's knee, leaving the goalkeeper unconscious and his head bleeding. He has only 22 and was caps 4 time by Scotland. What a terrible story ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Gordon BTW, I trust you've shaken the embers off your jacket and coughed the smoke out of your lungs. I was there almost before the fire trucks (I just happened to be at the bank across the street) and within 15 mins figured it was under control and carried on my way out of town. Boy was I in shock when I woke up the next morning and heard the damage and that it was still raging. As sad as it is, the whole block is a destroyed piece of frozen beauty. cheers, matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Oranje Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 I understand your regarding de Guzman. But behind Vrablic? If I remember he didn't really even do that much for Canada. And if I remember correctly he also was not available all times because of club commitments (Seraing (sp?) in Belgium)but I don't know how much he played for them. I also though Vrablic was a forward. Re: being a starter, de Guzman this year is clearly one of the top three Canadian players playing. Last year as a sub for Hannover, maybe not. quote:Originally posted by matthew My daydreams are about guys scoring goals in the red and white, not mega talents looking disinterested half the time. Anyway the forward spot was really, really hard to decide. I can't believe DeGuzman is almost unanimous by everyone but me. The kid has loads of talent to be sure and is in a big league, but I'm not sure you could even call him a regular starter for Canada at this point (sure that miller and holger's fault more than his). I guess pure skill and potential merit it, but when thinking all-time his career is still really early. Oh well, everyone's choices have been good and there's no easy choices in the lineup. cheers, matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Wasn't Vrablics one of the guys caught up in that gambling scandal? One of my memories from World Cup 1986 - and one of the reasons that I was not too thrilled with Tony Waiters - was Steve Armitage saying in that dramatic way of his "Vrablics has run for miles" has he harassed an opposing - I think French - player deep in the Canadian zone. I remember being pissed about that as Vrablics was a forward. I hated the fact that Canada was playing a defensive shell and that Dale Mitchell was on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 I think Vrablic played for the national team for about 3 or 4 years before being booted out of the program in the gambling scandal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungey Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 The Gambling Scandal? I've never heard of this. What happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 quote:Originally posted by bungey The Gambling Scandal? I've never heard of this. What happened? Read this topic, you will have all the story http://www.canadian-soccer.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=433 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungey Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Thanks for the link. Wow, I never knew about that. Of course under Holger nobody needed to bribe us not to score goals. Or did they... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Sort of thing you've got to sit down and give a good long think to. Know this though. Catliff, no. Vrablic, why? Didn't Yallop play fullback? If so, well you gotta drop the 'Duz. Radz. and Bunbury. Now that is a Canadian fantasy. Radz. and Bunbury playing in front of (The Great) Gerry Gray, Mitchell, and Diesel. Yikes. If only... Nice to see Randy and JDV making the wall in front of Forrest. Samuels was quicker than he looked. JDV is however, not. Nice, Kenneway story. Didn't know he had any sort of Canadian connection at all. Celtic faithful still sing Thomson's tale 70 years on. Bit of the folk lore. Always will be I guess. Before my time, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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